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HolyBackboard said:
Would you move McCollum (+others) for Cousins if you knew signing DeRozan was a sure bet this offseason?
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No. I don't want DMC without McCollum and Damian. All three, or no Boogie, imo.

I realize we can't get boogie without McCollum, but we have a truly special backcourt. Can't break that apart.
 
HolyBackboard said:
Would you move McCollum (+others) for Cousins if you knew signing DeRozan was a sure bet this offseason?
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I you KNEW you were getting DeRozan, I think you would have to seriously consider that. It would balance out the lineup and be so much more versatile. It would hurt to lose 3J's ability to create his own shot but it would also relieve a lot of pressure on Dame.

Dame/Roberts
DeRozan/Crabbe
Aminu/Crabbe
Vonleh/Harkless
Cousins/Davis

That is a VERY solid 9 (give or take the pieces you would have to give up with CJ) and then you decide what you are going to do with Leonard and Henderson. Then you fill in 11-15 with Montero, Alexander, Connaughton etc.
 
TBpup said:
I you KNEW you were getting DeRozan, I think you would have to seriously consider that. It would balance out the lineup and be so much more versatile. It would hurt to lose 3J's ability to create his own shot but it would also relieve a lot of pressure on Dame.

Dame/Roberts
DeRozan/Crabbe
Aminu/Crabbe
Vonleh/Harkless
Cousins/Davis

That is a VERY solid 9 (give or take the pieces you would have to give up with CJ) and then you decide what you are going to do with Leonard and Henderson. Then you fill in 11-15 with Montero, Alexander, Connaughton etc.
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Flip Harkless and Vonleh and yes.
 
TBpup said:
I you KNEW you were getting DeRozan, I think you would have to seriously consider that. It would balance out the lineup and be so much more versatile. It would hurt to lose 3J's ability to create his own shot but it would also relieve a lot of pressure on Dame.

Dame/Roberts
DeRozan/Crabbe
Aminu/Crabbe
Vonleh/Harkless
Cousins/Davis

That is a VERY solid 9 (give or take the pieces you would have to give up with CJ) and then you decide what you are going to do with Leonard and Henderson. Then you fill in 11-15 with Montero, Alexander, Connaughton etc.
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Yay for spacing!...
 
Trade Aminu for a future 1st
4 Future 1sts, 2 Future 2nds, Vonleh and Plumlee for Cousins. Sign Horford and Parsons.

Git er done Neil.
 
TBpup said:
I you KNEW you were getting DeRozan, I think you would have to seriously consider that. It would balance out the lineup and be so much more versatile. It would hurt to lose 3J's ability to create his own shot but it would also relieve a lot of pressure on Dame.

Dame/Roberts
DeRozan/Crabbe
Aminu/Crabbe
Vonleh/Harkless
Cousins/Davis

That is a VERY solid 9 (give or take the pieces you would have to give up with CJ) and then you decide what you are going to do with Leonard and Henderson. Then you fill in 11-15 with Montero, Alexander, Connaughton etc.
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No thanks. We're a better team today than that roster.
 
Blazers Roy said:
He does every time he plays in Portland too, he seems to have a good relationship with Blazers players.
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Well, except for Meyers Leonard, who he wanted to punch in the face the last time they played against each other and then supposedly couldn't remember the name of the guy who helped hold him to 4-21 shooting. When Meyers Leonard can get in your head, you've got issues.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Well, except for Meyers Leonard, who he wanted to punch in the face the last time they played against each other and then supposedly couldn't remember the name of the guy who helped hold him to 4-21 shooting. When Meyers Leonard can get in your head, you've got issues.

BNM
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Just like Ruben Patterson got into Kobe's head so many times.
 
Blazers Roy said:
Just like Ruben Patterson got into Kobe's head so many times.
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I don't recall hearing Meyers declare himself the Boogie Stopper. And unlike Ruben, who immediately got lit up for 40 points after he dubbed himself the Kobe Stopper, Boogie had his big games (56 and 48 points) BEFORE facing Meyers, not while facing him.

BNM
 
Sigh really don't want to see Cousins on the Blazers.
Rice would have to carry basketballs everywhere just to protect himself from Boogie in parking lots.
 
I think Cousins value isn't as high as people think. I do think he could be had for something like Plumlee, Vonleh, Aminu, 2017 pick, and the option to switch picks in 2019.

We lose defense and youth but obviously gain the best post scorer in the NBA (warts and all).

At that point we could re-sign Crabbe, Hendo, Hark, Biebs, and Roberts. Then bring in depth.

Dame / Roberts
CJ / Hendo
Crabbe / Hark
Davis / ?
Boogie / Biebs
 
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TBpup said:
So CJ is better than DeRozan and Cousins combined? That is the only difference in the lineups. I'm a fan but that seems a bit optimistic.
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Were better because that team would be Milwaukee Bucks 2.0 (no spacing)
 
TBpup said:
So CJ is better than DeRozan and Cousins combined? That is the only difference in the lineups. I'm a fan but that seems a bit optimistic.
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That's a better fantasy basketball lineup. But in terms of winning games with those starters no we are better today. Spacing would be a big issue. Low efficiency volume offensive players don't complement each other. Many defensive problems. Same drawbacks we had with starting forwards this season.
 
My biggest concern with Cousins is that we have Dame. They could be a horrible pairing. Dame's defense is really an issue as we need above average defenders at all three frontcourt spots. Does Cousins offense outweigh his defensive problems? I'm not sure his low percentage shots are the benefit his PPG would suggest. Dame scores in pick and roll. Cousins is a drop it into the post scorer. None of the post center teams have success in the modern NBA; Cousins, Brook Lopez, Jahlil Okafor, Nikola Vucevic.

I wonder if a SF who could sometimes be a third pick and roll creator along with defensive bigs would be more beneficial to this team.
 
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BonesJones said:
Were better because that team would be Milwaukee Bucks 2.0 (no spacing)
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It's the same amount of outside shooting except for CJ....one player. They are barely at .500 with 'all' that outside shooting and any other season in the West wouldn't be sniffing the Playoffs. DeRozan is a FT machine and wouldn't cost any assets except money. Cousins isn't a great defender but this team just went through a stretch where they were giving up 115+ to anyone with a pulse.

I'm not a huge fan of Cousins and I like our players to but to get one half of one of the best back courts in the league (yes we have one of those three as well) for nothing but cash AND add a top-3 big man in the entire league....if I put down my homer Blazer media hat, that just seems way more balanced to me and helps take some of the wear and tear off of Dame.
 
Blazers Roy said:
Hmmmm, sounds like a bad performance on a 2nd game of a back to back.
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Yeah, his worst game of the season. I'm sure it had nothing to do with Meyers Leonard's defense. It's the NBA, every team plays back-to-back games. That's a lame excuse for the "best big man in the game" getting outplayed by our soft, back-up stretch 4. The media, both POR and SAC, his coach and his teammates all praised Leonard's defense on Cousins as being key to the Blazers win and although Cousins refused to give Meyers much credit, he did admit he got under his skin (which we all saw when Cousins cocked back his fist after Meyers fouled him).

I know you hate Meyers and have a man crush on Boogie, but I don't want to give up anything significant for a max. contract mental midget that gets mind-fucked by Meyers Leonard. Yeah, if we can get him cheap, you take a chance, but otherwise no thanks. Too many red flags. He's been suspended multiple times under multiple coaches, including twice this season, for conduct detrimental to his team. He's nearing the end of his 6th season in the league, but still exhibits the same immaturity did as a 20-year rookie. He needs to grow the fuck up and stop blaming everyone else (his coaches, his teammates, the refs, etc.) for his failures.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Yeah, his worst game of the season. I'm sure it had nothing to do with Meyers Leonard's defense. It's the NBA, every team plays back-to-back games. That's a lame excuse for the "best big man in the game" getting outplayed by our soft, back-up stretch 4. The media, both POR and SAC, his coach and his teammates all praised Leonard's defense on Cousins as being key to the Blazers win and although Cousins refused to give Meyers much credit, he did admit he got under his skin (which we all saw when Cousins cocked back his fist after Meyers fouled him).

I know you hate Meyers and have a man crush on Boogie, but I don't want to give up anything significant for a max. contract mental midget that gets mind-fucked by Meyers Leonard. Yeah, if we can get him cheap, you take a chance, but otherwise no thanks. Too many red flags. He's been suspended multiple times under multiple coaches, including twice this season, for conduct detrimental to his team. He's nearing the end of his 6th season in the league, but still exhibits the same immaturity did as a 20-year rookie. He needs to grow the fuck up and stop blaming everyone else (his coaches, his teammates, the refs, etc.) for his failures.

BNM
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The guy scores 56 points, takes a shower, get on a flight, does a practice and then you expect him to score 30 on the Blazers?
Mayers did a nice job, i'll give him that, but Cousins torched guys like DeAndre Jordan, let's not get carried away here.

And i never said we need to offer anything too big for him, only guys not named Lillard or CJ.
 
TBpup said:
It's the same amount of outside shooting except for CJ....one player. They are barely at .500 with 'all' that outside shooting and any other season in the West wouldn't be sniffing the Playoffs. DeRozan is a FT machine and wouldn't cost any assets except money. Cousins isn't a great defender but this team just went through a stretch where they were giving up 115+ to anyone with a pulse.

I'm not a huge fan of Cousins and I like our players to but to get one half of one of the best back courts in the league (yes we have one of those three as well) for nothing but cash AND add a top-3 big man in the entire league....if I put down my homer Blazer media hat, that just seems way more balanced to me and helps take some of the wear and tear off of Dame.
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So we lose 50% of our outside shooting... no thanks

Boob-No-More said:
Yeah, his worst game of the season. I'm sure it had nothing to do with Meyers Leonard's defense. It's the NBA, every team plays back-to-back games. That's a lame excuse for the "best big man in the game" getting outplayed by our soft, back-up stretch 4. The media, both POR and SAC, his coach and his teammates all praised Leonard's defense on Cousins as being key to the Blazers win and although Cousins refused to give Meyers much credit, he did admit he got under his skin (which we all saw when Cousins cocked back his fist after Meyers fouled him).

I know you hate Meyers and have a man crush on Boogie, but I don't want to give up anything significant for a max. contract mental midget that gets mind-fucked by Meyers Leonard. Yeah, if we can get him cheap, you take a chance, but otherwise no thanks. Too many red flags. He's been suspended multiple times under multiple coaches, including twice this season, for conduct detrimental to his team. He's nearing the end of his 6th season in the league, but still exhibits the same immaturity did as a 20-year rookie. He needs to grow the fuck up and stop blaming everyone else (his coaches, his teammates, the refs, etc.) for his failures.

BNM
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Thing is he's not a "max player". He's making $10M less
 
BonesJones said:
So we lose 50% of our outside shooting... no thanks

Thing is he's not a "max player". He's making $10M less
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Actually, he is a max player in that he's making the maximum allowed under the current CBA. He signed a max extension back in 2013:

DeMarcus Cousins signs extension

"The Kings signed Cousins to a four-year maximum contract extension on Monday, saying the 23-year-old center is the foundation the franchise will build on to lead a struggling team into a new era."

There are other players making more, but he's making the maximum allowed based on his circumstances. He has two more seasons left on that extension and I'm sure someone will throw a max contract at him when he becomes a free agent that will make him one of the highest players in the league.

BNM

 
Boob-No-More said:
Actually, he is a max player in that he's making the maximum allowed under the current CBA. He signed a max extension back in 2013:

DeMarcus Cousins signs extension

"The Kings signed Cousins to a four-year maximum contract extension on Monday, saying the 23-year-old center is the foundation the franchise will build on to lead a struggling team into a new era."

There are other players making more, but he's making the maximum allowed based on his circumstances. He has two more seasons left on that extension and I'm sure someone will throw a max contract at him when he becomes a free agent that will make him one of the highest players in the league.

BNM
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Well you're both right; he was a max player back in 2013; but now he is paid $10 million less than the current max. But yeah likely get a huge pay increase on his next contract. There's literally 20 different levels of max contracts.
 
Draco said:
Well you're both right; he was a max player back in 2013; but now he is paid $10 million less than the current max. But yeah likely get a huge pay increase on his next contract. There's literally 20 different levels of max contracts.
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Yep, the definition of max contract is in near constant flux. It depends on many variables, including BRI - basketball related income, which fluctuates from year to year and will soar when the new TV contract kicks in. So, while Cousins looks like a relative bargain, he got the max he could get at the time he signed his contract.

BNM
 
THis summer... Sign Demar Derozen then trade CJ and Plumlee and a pick for Cousins.
 
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