Yi won't and can't be a star

[djnswdjn]

im Chinese and have been following his news for years. From my point of view, Yi can never be a star. Sure he might have the star-like physical upside and the whole chinese population behind him, but he doesn't have the mental game for it. He's too arrogant to be a star in this league, he doesnt realize that in order to be star, you must learn to be good role player and rookie first, gotta take it step by step.

No matter what team it is, Yi expects himself to be "the man" for the team the second he walks in the locker room, and he blames everyone but himself for not getting 30/15 a night (e.g. Mo cant pass, Redd wont pass coach wont let him play, or weather is too cold, not enough fans cheering, chinese national team giving him pressure etc. etc. etc.). And i dont blame him for it, since he was like 18 years old, the media have been calling him a genius and "the next yao". By all these media crap, he basically walked into the NBA thinking he's already something.

But the regular seam began, thats when people start to realize he is nothing but a ordinary rookie who cant do anything else but shoot the ball with his foot on the 3pt line. However, the media never gave up on him and they are giving him all the excuses in the world to not get 30 points a game. we have a word for it in chinese, its called "murdered by the praises". and the bucks realized this and dumped him to you guys and Hammond is probably laughing even when hes asleep that he got RJ and got rid of a bad contract.

 

[Legacy]

Yao said Yi would be better than him, but maybe he was just giving him too much credit.

 

[djnswdjn]

By the way, that was my friend posting, I still support Yi

But I think the Chinese media can be a little.... too supportive from time to times.

 

[tim]

I think he has potential to be a star. He has the skills, he just needs the mental toughness to harness those skills and utilize them into one package.

 

[Black Republican]

ni hao

 

[Universe]

He doesn't have to be a star, he just has to be better than Jefferson.

 

[Chutney]

Interesting take. The majority of us really have no idea what kind of person Yi is. Even during that whole draft debacle, I was one of the people who thought we should lay off because it seemed like his handlers were making him come off as an arrogant douchebag. But I could just as easily have been wrong.

 

[Johnny_Chan]

Yi will fly to NY from NINGBO (a city, south of Shanghai) after China National team finish the game against Australia National team at both July 4th and July 6th,he will stay in NJN for 4-6 days. during this period, he will finish his physical exam and communicate with boss or coach or MG or sb...

He has to back to China before July 17th to catch up Stankovic Continental Champions Cup hold in HANGZHOU (a city, an hour drive to shanghai metro)...

 

[pegs]

Yeah, but Mo and Redd really don't pass the ball enough. Maybe he was just telling the truth on that one.

 

[Real]

I think it's way too early to tell. I don't think anyone will dispute that he has all the tools to become a great player, but I think the concern is the Chinese will wear him down with his national team commitments. That's what I'm worried about.

 

[djnswdjn]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 3 2008, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, but Mo and Redd really don't pass the ball enough. Maybe he was just telling the truth on that one.</div>

thats true..
and they did freeze him in the game against bobcats after he score about 20

 

[Dumpy]

what a shame the nets traded a star for him then.

 

[cLokwerk]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 2 2008, 09:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, but Mo and Redd really don't pass the ball enough. Maybe he was just telling the truth on that one.</div>

I agree, it's a well known fact that Mo and Redd are ballhogs. Here's the Milwaukee Bucks pre-draft analysis straight off of NBA.com-

Analysis:

Can you draft chemistry? Many chuckled when they saw Bogut giving himself high fives against Atlanta, but it indicated the Bucks' chemistry problems this past season. On more than numerous occasions, Yi would be open on the pick-and-pop and Williams and Redd would not look in his direction. Williams and Redd would often ignore teammates and chuck either early in the shot clock (Williams) or try to break his man down, then chuck (Redd). Bogut has also had his issues with the prolific backcourt. New coach Scott Skiles will need to deal with these issues, while new GM John Hammond will need to find a small forward in this Draft or through a trade.

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Also, I don't think Yi has ever criticized his teammates publicly, unless the Chinese fans have access to quotes that the rest of us don't.

 

[Another YiFan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djnswdjn @ Jul 3 2008, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>im Chinese and have been following his news for years. From my point of view, Yi can never be a star. Sure he might have the star-like physical upside and the whole chinese population behind him, but he doesn't have the mental game for it. He's too arrogant to be a star in this league, he doesnt realize that in order to be star, you must learn to be good role player and rookie first, gotta take it step by step.</div>
Pls, What is the standard for a star?
so long as we could enjoy his games, it's ok.

 

[Netsfan318]

The Bucks don't even have a system, why do you think the coach was fired ? Answer no structure, no D, or consistant offense, Yi is going to shock alot of people this year.

 

[BrooklynNets]

The OP is full of crap, sounds like a troll. Yi has never criticized his team mates on the Bucks or anywhere else. Nor has he been arrogant, he's more quite than Yao, and has never displayed any of the things you said he did.

 

[Malorkayel]

Yi had a slight shoulder injury after the all star break, Charlie V was then promoted to starter. Yi was shellshocked and the Bucks with everyone took a nosedive. They experimented with different rotations still failed. There was much drama in the locker room.

For a 6th pick rookie he was sure put under a ton of pressure and he became the favorite goat.

When your team have a complete failure of a season where they fire the coach and GM, trade away your #1 pick just to wash your hands from it. Blame everyone, they're all at fault.

So now, Yi in a new team. Lets put away last years pretense.

 

[JCB]

It's been said before, and I'll say it again: Yi will love playing with Harris and VC. He'll be able to score easily in pick and pop situations with those two on a very consistent basis. He'll probably score 8-10 points a night in those situations alone.

 

[Malorkayel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netsfan318 @ Jul 3 2008, 01:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Bucks don't even have a system, why do you think the coach was fired ? Answer no structure, no D, or consistant offense, Yi is going to shock alot of people this year.</div>

What do you mean? Coach K ran the triangle offense. It lasted for about 2 weeks. Bucks then lost a string of games. Players revolted and I think Redd then told coach to shut the F up and let them play how they want. Management never recovered.

 

[danxcr]

well im not goin to pass judgement until he does it in NJ... i never passed judgement on vince and look... hes been nothin but great to our franchise... i admire vince... for all he has done and all he will continue to do for the nets

 

[Malorkayel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB @ Jul 3 2008, 01:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's been said before, and I'll say it again: Yi will love playing with Harris and VC. He'll be able to score easily in pick and pop situations with those two on a very consistent basis. He'll probably score 8-10 points a night in those situations alone.</div>

It's not that Yi only did pick and pop, it was a nice plan the coach had for Yi getting easy shots vs defending bigs. It worked great until other teams scouted Yi and put SF to guard him on the perimeter.

The problem got compounded when Yi's teammates froze him out from post passes, forcing Yi to drive into the teeth of the defense vs faster defenders.

Yi has a good post turnaround J and averge hookshot. This you never see him do on the Bucks team, he did do it during the rookie game. Even Bogut hardly ever got the ball in the post, so Yi was doubly screwed.

Anyway, it's up to Yi to prove himself. We'll get a preview during the olympics.

 

[meltz1]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djnswdjn @ Jul 2 2008, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>im Chinese and have been following his news for years. From my point of view, Kobe can never be a star. Sure he might have the star-like physical upside and the whole LA population behind him, but he doesn't have the mental game for it. He's too arrogant to be a star in this league, he doesnt realize that in order to be star, you must learn to be good role player and rookie first, gotta take it step by step.

No matter what team it is, Kobe expects himself to be "the man" for the team the second he walks in the locker room, and he blames everyone but himself for not getting 30/15 assist a night (e.g. Parker cant pass, Brown wont pass coach wont let him play, or weather is too cold, not enough fans cheering, american national team giving him pressure etc. etc. etc.). And i dont blame him for it, since he was like 18 years old, the media have been calling him a genius and "the next yao". By all these media crap, he basically walked into the NBA thinking he's already something.</div>
Thank you for describing Kobe Bryant circa 2004-2007. But kobe isnt a star...right?

 

[ffz]

he's gotta develop a left hand... If he does that he'll be a pretty good post player. It's not that hes afraid to go to the post... he just can't finish well enough in there right now in his career.

 

[Boomdog]

If Yi can shoot.....which he can...HE'll be fine on this team. I can't even express the number of blown open jumpers from the perimeter that we missed last season off of HArris and VC's dribble penetration and dish.

 

[golancer]

dont be so caustic to a new player, huge pressure never good for them, just give them a free, comfortable surroundings to grow up.

 

[DownWithMSG]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tim @ Jul 2 2008, 11:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think he has potential to be a star. He has the skills, he just needs the mental toughness to harness those skills and utilize them into one package.</div>

Yi just seems...kinda lazy. I dunno, but maybe it's cuz he's always getting compared to Yao, who has like one of the best work ethics in the NBA. When I say lazy, I mean like I don't think Yi improved much from what I read and a few games that I saw him in. He kinda reminds me of a tougher version of Wang Zhi-Zhi, the other chinese guy who would just stand around begging for the ball and then launching a jumper soon as he got it. Only diff is that Yi seems like he tries on defense.

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cLokwerk @ Jul 3 2008, 12:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 2 2008, 09:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, but Mo and Redd really don't pass the ball enough. Maybe he was just telling the truth on that one.</div>

I agree, it's a well known fact that Mo and Redd are ballhogs. Here's the Milwaukee Bucks pre-draft analysis straight off of NBA.com-

Analysis:

Can you draft chemistry? Many chuckled when they saw Bogut giving himself high fives against Atlanta, but it indicated the Bucks' chemistry problems this past season. On more than numerous occasions, Yi would be open on the pick-and-pop and Williams and Redd would not look in his direction. Williams and Redd would often ignore teammates and chuck either early in the shot clock (Williams) or try to break his man down, then chuck (Redd). Bogut has also had his issues with the prolific backcourt. New coach Scott Skiles will need to deal with these issues, while new GM John Hammond will need to find a small forward in this Draft or through a trade.

Source


Also, I don't think Yi has ever criticized his teammates publicly, unless the Chinese fans have access to quotes that the rest of us don't.
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This is the reason they will not trade Carter. Carter and Harris are going to get these new guys (Yi, Lopez, Anderson, etc...) a ton of looks. They will learn the right way to play.

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Malorkayel @ Jul 3 2008, 01:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB @ Jul 3 2008, 01:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's been said before, and I'll say it again: Yi will love playing with Harris and VC. He'll be able to score easily in pick and pop situations with those two on a very consistent basis. He'll probably score 8-10 points a night in those situations alone.</div>

It's not that Yi only did pick and pop, it was a nice plan the coach had for Yi getting easy shots vs defending bigs. It worked great until other teams scouted Yi and put SF to guard him on the perimeter.

The problem got compounded when Yi's teammates froze him out from post passes, forcing Yi to drive into the teeth of the defense vs faster defenders.

Yi has a good post turnaround J and averge hookshot. This you never see him do on the Bucks team, he did do it during the rookie game. Even Bogut hardly ever got the ball in the post, so Yi was doubly screwed.

Anyway, it's up to Yi to prove himself. We'll get a preview during the olympics.
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Lawrence Frank will know how to deal with that. If they put a SF on Yi he'll have him kick the ball out, repost, and punish the smaller player on the blocks. If Yi is a good passer, when the double team comes he'll be able to find a wide open Lopez or the cutter. And VC and Harris are smart enough to understand that's the right thing to do and not freelance or refuse to give him the ball again.

 

[Malorkayel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 3 2008, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Malorkayel @ Jul 3 2008, 01:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB @ Jul 3 2008, 01:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's been said before, and I'll say it again: Yi will love playing with Harris and VC. He'll be able to score easily in pick and pop situations with those two on a very consistent basis. He'll probably score 8-10 points a night in those situations alone.</div>

It's not that Yi only did pick and pop, it was a nice plan the coach had for Yi getting easy shots vs defending bigs. It worked great until other teams scouted Yi and put SF to guard him on the perimeter.


The problem got compounded when Yi's teammates froze him out from post passes, forcing Yi to drive into the teeth of the defense vs faster defenders.

Yi has a good post turnaround J and averge hookshot. This you never see him do on the Bucks team, he did do it during the rookie game. Even Bogut hardly ever got the ball in the post, so Yi was doubly screwed.

Anyway, it's up to Yi to prove himself. We'll get a preview during the olympics.
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Lawrence Frank will know how to deal with that. If they put a SF on Yi he'll have him kick the ball out, repost, and punish the smaller player on the blocks. If Yi is a good passer, when the double team comes he'll be able to find a wide open Lopez or the cutter. And VC and Harris are smart enough to understand that's the right thing to do and not freelance or refuse to give him the ball again.
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Exactly! I'm looking forward to watching the Nets now.

The Bucks emphasized on scoring. Yi was the rookie 5th option, if he kicked the ball out, he wasn't getting it back.

But to be fair, Yi did let himself get shut out of the team during the last quarter of the season. In China, Yi was the star. The Bucks internal competition and the "get your own" attitude broke him down. Despite all the negativity, Yi never openly complained about the Bucks or his teammates.

Anyway, it's so entertaining to track Yi. There is so much attention on him, so many journalist making money off his success or failure. Guys like Bill Simmons from ESPN, calling him the biggest bust before stepping foot in America. Only to apologize after Yi was scoring 20+ points games, rookie of the month, but now after the trade calling "Chairman Yi" a failure again. Oh, the integrity, this stuff is amusing.

 

[GMJ]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (meltz1 @ Jul 3 2008, 01:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djnswdjn @ Jul 2 2008, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>im Chinese and have been following his news for years. From my point of view, Kobe can never be a star. Sure he might have the star-like physical upside and the whole LA population behind him, but he doesn't have the mental game for it. He's too arrogant to be a star in this league, he doesnt realize that in order to be star, you must learn to be good role player and rookie first, gotta take it step by step.

No matter what team it is, Kobe expects himself to be "the man" for the team the second he walks in the locker room, and he blames everyone but himself for not getting 30/15 assist a night (e.g. Parker cant pass, Brown wont pass coach wont let him play, or weather is too cold, not enough fans cheering, american national team giving him pressure etc. etc. etc.). And i dont blame him for it, since he was like 18 years old, the media have been calling him a genius and "the next yao". By all these media crap, he basically walked into the NBA thinking he's already something.</div>
Thank you for describing Kobe Bryant circa 2004-2007. But kobe isnt a star...right?
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Be careful. If you're trying to make the point that being arrogant won't prevent you from being a star in this league, fine. However you're making a mistake by insinuating that being arrogant results in stardom.