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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (golancer @ Jul 3 2008, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>dont be so caustic to a new player, huge pressure never good for them, just give them a free, comfortable surroundings to grow up.
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Wow, never noticed that. Thanks for that.

Wasn't Dirk the guy that the Nets FO was loosely comparing Yi to?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Johnny_Chan @ Jul 2 2008, 11:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yi will fly to NY from NINGBO (a city, south of Shanghai) after China National team finish the game against Australia National team at both July 4th and July 6th,he will stay in NJN for 4-6 days. during this period, he will finish his physical exam and communicate with boss or coach or MG or sb...

He has to back to China before July 17th to catch up Stankovic Continental Champions Cup hold in HANGZHOU (a city, an hour drive to shanghai metro)...</div>

Link?
 
Can we please get real here? Yi had a great first two months. He was rookie of the month in December, when he averaged 12.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg and 1.1 bpg, shooting better than 50% from the floor in 30 plus minutes per game. In November, he averaged 10 ppg. He was seen as an legitimate candidate for Rookie of the Year. He got tired. He got injured. He was playing in a bad situation for a VERY bad coach, in a city with little connection to his home culture.

He didn't demand he be the man in Milwaukee...that is utter bullshit, someone's personal bias.

Do I expect him to be Dirk? I certainly hope he is.
 
well the nets certainly hope yi becomes a very good player but let's get real...if yi does turn out to be the real thing that would only be a bonus...nets wanted to dump rj's salary to be a serious player in the 2010 FA market...mission accomplished...nets don't want to hurt revenues though by trading away their superstars so they got chinese superstar yi for rj and along with him the gargantuan chinese market...mission accomplished...AGAIN!

new york market, chinese market, cap space, assets galore, the jay-z factor, yi, new billion-$ arena...all that's missing is lebron and amare and you've got all the elements of a perfect storm! of course all of these can crash and burn but at least we have a plan and so far we're getting it done...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 4 2008, 04:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (golancer @ Jul 3 2008, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>dont be so caustic to a new player, huge pressure never good for them, just give them a free, comfortable surroundings to grow up.
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Wow, never noticed that. Thanks for that.

Wasn't Dirk the guy that the Nets FO was loosely comparing Yi to?
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Actually, I think this is the one of the biggest misundersanding NBA fans have on Yi. Yi didn't play like Dirk(style). Yi is never a dead eye shooter like Dirk is, he didn't even shoot many 3s back in China(FIBA 3pts line), he is more of a post player than Dirk. He even played center in CNT when Yao was not there. His game is about 50%post play, with a very good turnaround jump or hook, and 50%jumpshoot with a range up to about 20 feet with decent FG%. He's also very fast on fastbreak and can finish strong, but didn't get many chances in Milwaukee.

If I should choose a NBA player to tell you how I think of Yi's playstyle, I'd say Chris Bosh. He just need to strengthen himself, especially the upbody strength to play around the rim to show you what he really can do.
 
And to "djnswdjn", as a Chinese, you really have some degree of "hate" on Yi.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Green Light @ Jul 3 2008, 10:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 4 2008, 04:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (golancer @ Jul 3 2008, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>dont be so caustic to a new player, huge pressure never good for them, just give them a free, comfortable surroundings to grow up.
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Wow, never noticed that. Thanks for that.

Wasn't Dirk the guy that the Nets FO was loosely comparing Yi to?
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Actually, I think this is the one of the biggest misundersanding NBA fans have on Yi. Yi didn't play like Dirk(style). Yi is never a dead eye shooter like Dirk is, he didn't even shoot many 3s back in China(FIBA 3pts line), he is more of a post player than Dirk. He even played center in CNT when Yao was not there. His game is about 50%post play, with a very good turnaround jump or hook, and 50%jumpshoot with a range up to about 20 feet with decent FG%. He's also very fast on fastbreak and can finish strong, but didn't get many chances in Milwaukee.

If I should choose a NBA player to tell you how I think of Yi's playstyle, I'd say Chris Bosh. He just need to strengthen himself, especially the upbody strength to play around the rim to show you what he really can do.
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Hey, it was KIKI VANDEWEGHE who compared him to Dirk during the Draft last year when he worked for ESPN.

As for Yi being a bonus because the main goal was to dump salary, I strongly disagree. As has been noted multiple times, teams trading stars rarely get full value, but what they do get is a combination of three things: cap space, a good young player and draft picks. Nets got all three (plus cash) in the Mavs trade and two of the three in the RJ trade.

People are dismissing Yi's potential. I'm not. He was picked sixth in the NBA draft, was rookie of the month in December...under a dreadful coach in a bad situation on and off the court.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jul 3 2008, 11:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (meltz1 @ Jul 3 2008, 01:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djnswdjn @ Jul 2 2008, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>im Chinese and have been following his news for years. From my point of view, Kobe can never be a star. Sure he might have the star-like physical upside and the whole LA population behind him, but he doesn't have the mental game for it. He's too arrogant to be a star in this league, he doesnt realize that in order to be star, you must learn to be good role player and rookie first, gotta take it step by step.

No matter what team it is, Kobe expects himself to be "the man" for the team the second he walks in the locker room, and he blames everyone but himself for not getting 30/15 assist a night (e.g. Parker cant pass, Brown wont pass coach wont let him play, or weather is too cold, not enough fans cheering, american national team giving him pressure etc. etc. etc.). And i dont blame him for it, since he was like 18 years old, the media have been calling him a genius and "the next yao". By all these media crap, he basically walked into the NBA thinking he's already something.</div>
Thank you for describing Kobe Bryant circa 2004-2007. But kobe isnt a star...right?
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Be careful. If you're trying to make the point that being arrogant won't prevent you from being a star in this league, fine. However you're making a mistake by insinuating that being arrogant results in stardom.
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I wasnt insinuating that arrogance results in stardom. I was, indeed, pointing out that arrogance sure as hell doesn't prevent it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Green Light @ Jul 3 2008, 11:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And to "djnswdjn", as a Chinese, you really have some degree of "hate" on Yi.</div>

if u got "djnswdjn hates Yi" from this post, you need to read more into it....
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Green Light @ Jul 3 2008, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 4 2008, 04:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (golancer @ Jul 3 2008, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>dont be so caustic to a new player, huge pressure never good for them, just give them a free, comfortable surroundings to grow up.
asasas.jpg
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Wow, never noticed that. Thanks for that.

Wasn't Dirk the guy that the Nets FO was loosely comparing Yi to?
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Actually, I think this is the one of the biggest misundersanding NBA fans have on Yi. Yi didn't play like Dirk(style). Yi is never a dead eye shooter like Dirk is, he didn't even shoot many 3s back in China(FIBA 3pts line), he is more of a post player than Dirk. He even played center in CNT when Yao was not there. His game is about 50%post play, with a very good turnaround jump or hook, and 50%jumpshoot with a range up to about 20 feet with decent FG%. He's also very fast on fastbreak and can finish strong, but didn't get many chances in Milwaukee.

If I should choose a NBA player to tell you how I think of Yi's playstyle, I'd say Chris Bosh. He just need to strengthen himself, especially the upbody strength to play around the rim to show you what he really can do.
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i'd say he's more of a boozer than bosh..
 
someone has been drinking the "haterade" on Yi

Leave the kid alone hes 20yrs old and 7ft tall with a smooth all around game. The sky is the limit for the kid IMO.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djnswdjn @ Jul 4 2008, 05:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i'd say he's more of a boozer than bosh..</div>

You kidding? If anything, Yi's like a Kevin Garnett on offense.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djnswdjn @ Jul 4 2008, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Green Light @ Jul 3 2008, 11:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And to "djnswdjn", as a Chinese, you really have some degree of "hate" on Yi.</div>

if u got "djnswdjn hates Yi" from this post, you need to read more into it....
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While you're trying to say that your post was not "hate", the manner in which it was presented can definitely be interpreted as such.

For example, when you say
<div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'>and the bucks realized this and dumped him to you guys and Hammond is probably laughing even when hes asleep that he got RJ and got rid of a bad contract.</div>
It's just hillarious. For us, RJ was the bad contract. Simmons expires in time to give us financial flexibility during the 2010 off-season.
Also, your reason for Hammond "laughing even when he's asleep" is that he realized that Yi can never be a star. No one realistically expects him to. He was taken SIXTH. If people really expected him to be a star, they would not have taken Mike Conley Jr or Jeff Green in front of him.

Nets got the financial flexibility they wanted and a promising young player. What makes it even more awesome is that they'll use Yi's marketability to generate millions. Immediately marketable young players like Yi come twice or thrice per decade. New Jersey just got one of them.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djnswdjn @ Jul 4 2008, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Green Light @ Jul 3 2008, 11:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And to "djnswdjn", as a Chinese, you really have some degree of "hate" on Yi.</div>

if u got "djnswdjn hates Yi" from this post, you need to read more into it....
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I didn't feel that you hated Yi, but you did come off as the type of person that step on their own friend or family to impress outsiders. That is human nature, it doesn't make you a rotten person, but you might want to look into that bad habit.

Yi did well today vs the Australians, he's been consistent. Nets will be a nice fit for Yi. Although I would like to have a veteran on the team to teach him. We might need to hire a specialty coach. Net's history with developing big men is a concern.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djnswdjn @ Jul 2 2008, 11:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>By the way, that was my friend posting, I still support Yi


But I think the Chinese media can be a little.... too supportive from time to times.</div>
You guys missed this post... that was djnswdjn friend using his account ans starting this thread.

Djnswdjn, you may want to have your friend create his own account next time. The more the merrier!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 4 2008, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djnswdjn @ Jul 2 2008, 11:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>By the way, that was my friend posting, I still support Yi


But I think the Chinese media can be a little.... too supportive from time to times.</div>
You guys missed this post... that was djnswdjn friend using his account ans starting this thread.

Djnswdjn, you may want to have your friend create his own account next time. The more the merrier!
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thanks for clearing it out for, you guys can delete this post if you want, or edit it somehow, i dont like all the hatred towards me...
 
Kiki Vandeweghe expects Yi to be a star.

Here's what he said about him last year, just before the draft when he was working for ESPN...

Vandeweghe told USA Today he was “blown away” by the Yi workouts he saw.

“What I didn’t realize was how athletic he is,” Vandeweghe said. “I’ve worked out big players for more than 20 years, and I compare Yi very favorably to when I first” worked out with Dirk Nowitzki.”

Remember a few things:

1. It was Kiki Vandeweghe as director of player personnel at Dallas who worked with Dirk between his first and second years in the NBA. Kiki also tried to get the Raptors to trade another 7-footer with similar skills (Bargnani) to the Nets for RJ. This wasn't, I submit, all about dumping salary. It was about getting a player Kiki thinks is a big part of the NBA's future...the mobile, deep shooting, athletic big man.

2. Yi has a lot of personal pride. He thinks he is unique as a player.

3. The burden of the Chinese basketball team is falling squarely on his shoulders. It's 34 days to the Olympics and Yao Ming has yet to step on the floor. On August 10, they play Team USA. The audience will be the biggest audience for a basketball game...ever, anywhere. We will know a lot about him by the end of that game. He'll know a lot about himself as well.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>3. The burden of the Chinese basketball team is falling squarely on his shoulders. It's 34 days to the Olympics and Yao Ming has yet to step on the floor. On August 10, they play Team USA. The audience will be the biggest audience for a basketball game...ever, anywhere. We will know a lot about him by the end of that game. He'll know a lot about himself as well.</div>

1. The burden isn't on his shoulders at all. It is Yao's alone. Yi is obviously very important, but he's not the leader for China. You'll definitely be seeing that when Yao returns.

2. The game against the US in Beijing isn't going to mean a lot to Yi personally. If he plays well, then that's great. However, he has played against the US before (twice in 06), and played well, so it's not the end of the world if he under-performs. However, playing well against the US would definitely benefit China (although they only have about a 5% chance of winning).
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hang Eleven @ Jul 6 2008, 10:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>3. The burden of the Chinese basketball team is falling squarely on his shoulders. It's 34 days to the Olympics and Yao Ming has yet to step on the floor. On August 10, they play Team USA. The audience will be the biggest audience for a basketball game...ever, anywhere. We will know a lot about him by the end of that game. He'll know a lot about himself as well.</div>

1. The burden isn't on his shoulders at all. It is Yao's alone. Yi is obviously very important, but he's not the leader for China. You'll definitely be seeing that when Yao returns.

2. The game against the US in Beijing isn't going to mean a lot to Yi personally. If he plays well, then that's great. However, he has played against the US before (twice in 06), and played well, so it's not the end of the world if he under-performs. However, playing well against the US would definitely benefit China (although they only have about a 5% chance of winning).
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I strongly disagree. Yi is the 2nd best player on the CNT next to Yao. There is tremendous pressure and expectation for Yi to play well in the Olympics.

Also, I have a lot of respect for all athlete that complete in the Olympics. They show a lot of pride and dedication, and I highly doubt any of them do it for money.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I strongly disagree. Yi is the 2nd best player on the CNT next to Yao. There is tremendous pressure and expectation for Yi to play well in the Olympics.</div>

I know he is the second-best player. But Yao is the leader, and the burden will be on him. Of course, Yi will have to play very well for China to be able to accomplish anything.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Also, I have a lot of respect for all athlete that complete in the Olympics. They show a lot of pride and dedication, and I highly doubt any of them do it for money.</div>

Don't know what exactly I said to disagree with that, but ya, I agree.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jul 6 2008, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kiki Vandeweghe expects Yi to be a star.

Here's what he said about him last year, just before the draft when he was working for ESPN...

Vandeweghe told USA Today he was “blown away” by the Yi workouts he saw.

“What I didn’t realize was how athletic he is,” Vandeweghe said. “I’ve worked out big players for more than 20 years, and I compare Yi very favorably to when I first” worked out with Dirk Nowitzki.”

Remember a few things:

1. It was Kiki Vandeweghe as director of player personnel at Dallas who worked with Dirk between his first and second years in the NBA. Kiki also tried to get the Raptors to trade another 7-footer with similar skills (Bargnani) to the Nets for RJ. This wasn't, I submit, all about dumping salary. It was about getting a player Kiki thinks is a big part of the NBA's future...the mobile, deep shooting, athletic big man.

2. Yi has a lot of personal pride. He thinks he is unique as a player.

3. The burden of the Chinese basketball team is falling squarely on his shoulders. It's 34 days to the Olympics and Yao Ming has yet to step on the floor. On August 10, they play Team USA. The audience will be the biggest audience for a basketball game...ever, anywhere. We will know a lot about him by the end of that game. He'll know a lot about himself as well.</div>

The same guy that drafted Skita and wanted Darko over Melo...

Yi isn't Skita but Kiki starts from a flawed perspective.
 
Is Yao even playing in the Olympics?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 6 2008, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Is Yao even playing in the Olympics?</div>

Yao is 90% healed from his fracture. He'll play in the Olympics, but I'm sure he's advised to take it easy during practice sessions.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Malorkayel @ Jul 6 2008, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 6 2008, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Is Yao even playing in the Olympics?</div>

Yao is 90% healed from his fracture. He'll play in the Olympics, but I'm sure he's advised to take it easy during practice sessions.
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Oh, aright, thanks. I wasn't sure, I thought that's why NI said "the burden of the Chinese Team is falling squarely on his shoulders".

Well, if Yao is playing, then that eases the burden on Yi.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hang Eleven @ Jul 6 2008, 09:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>3. The burden of the Chinese basketball team is falling squarely on his shoulders. It's 34 days to the Olympics and Yao Ming has yet to step on the floor. On August 10, they play Team USA. The audience will be the biggest audience for a basketball game...ever, anywhere. We will know a lot about him by the end of that game. He'll know a lot about himself as well.</div>

1. The burden isn't on his shoulders at all. It is Yao's alone. Yi is obviously very important, but he's not the leader for China. You'll definitely be seeing that when Yao returns.

2. The game against the US in Beijing isn't going to mean a lot to Yi personally. If he plays well, then that's great. However, he has played against the US before (twice in 06), and played well, so it's not the end of the world if he under-performs. However, playing well against the US would definitely benefit China (although they only have about a 5% chance of winning).
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I think you are wrong on both.

Yao has not played a game, has not had full practices. There is NO way he will be at full speed on August 10. It's just not going to happen. He will barely have his wind then. Yi will be critical to whatever success they have.

The game against the US <u>IS</u> going to mean a lot to him personally and professionally. So what if he played against the US in 2006. He wasn't in the NBA in 2006. He will now be compared to those guys he is playing against. He wasn't as important to the team then either...and he wasn't just traded into the largest metropolitan area in the United States, still the media capital of the world.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djnswdjn @ Jul 3 2008, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>im Chinese and have been following his news for years. From my point of view, Yi can never be a star. Sure he might have the star-like physical upside and the whole chinese population behind him, but he doesn't have the mental game for it. He's too arrogant to be a star in this league, he doesnt realize that in order to be star, you must learn to be good role player and rookie first, gotta take it step by step.

No matter what team it is, Yi expects himself to be "the man" for the team the second he walks in the locker room, and he blames everyone but himself for not getting 30/15 a night (e.g. Mo cant pass, Redd wont pass coach wont let him play, or weather is too cold, not enough fans cheering, chinese national team giving him pressure etc. etc. etc.). And i dont blame him for it, since he was like 18 years old, the media have been calling him a genius and "the next yao". By all these media crap, he basically walked into the NBA thinking he's already something.

But the regular seam began, thats when people start to realize he is nothing but a ordinary rookie who cant do anything else but shoot the ball with his foot on the 3pt line. However, the media never gave up on him and they are giving him all the excuses in the world to not get 30 points a game. we have a word for it in chinese, its called "murdered by the praises". and the bucks realized this and dumped him to you guys and Hammond is probably laughing even when hes asleep that he got RJ and got rid of a bad contract.</div>





Too arrogant ? How could you say that? Has he ever refuse to give you signature? LOL. Besides this, i am sure he never criticized his teammate publicly, chinese doesn't like to do so, and he is a guy who doesn't like to talk.
If you say Yi is not going to be a star, i cannot say you are wrong, because noboby could predict this now. But if you are telling something that he didn't do, that's absolutely unfair!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djnswdjn @ Jul 2 2008, 11:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>im Chinese and have been following his news for years. From my point of view, Yi can never be a star. Sure he might have the star-like physical upside and the whole chinese population behind him, but he doesn't have the mental game for it. He's too arrogant to be a star in this league, he doesnt realize that in order to be star, you must learn to be good role player and rookie first, gotta take it step by step.

No matter what team it is, Yi expects himself to be "the man" for the team the second he walks in the locker room, and he blames everyone but himself for not getting 30/15 a night (e.g. Mo cant pass, Redd wont pass coach wont let him play, or weather is too cold, not enough fans cheering, chinese national team giving him pressure etc. etc. etc.). And i dont blame him for it, since he was like 18 years old, the media have been calling him a genius and "the next yao". By all these media crap, he basically walked into the NBA thinking he's already something.

But the regular seam began, thats when people start to realize he is nothing but a ordinary rookie who cant do anything else but shoot the ball with his foot on the 3pt line. However, the media never gave up on him and they are giving him all the excuses in the world to not get 30 points a game. we have a word for it in chinese, its called "murdered by the praises". and the bucks realized this and dumped him to you guys and Hammond is probably laughing even when hes asleep that he got RJ and got rid of a bad contract.</div>

As I said before, Yi's nothing more than a marketing ploy who may be a good role or bench player like Nachbar not a star like Nowitzski--can't expect Rod to admit the truth to the Nets fan base that the RJ trade was a salary dump, plain and simple.
 
I think it's too early to tell, Kiki was interested in Yi last year before he even joined the Nets staff, and he himself has worked with Dirk. Sure, it's a salary dump, but I still think it's a bit more than that. At least that's what us, the fans want (and expect) and the same can be said for Rod and Kiki's expectations.
 
Yi is not a marketin PLOY... man i cant wait for the season to start and Yi actually show us... well show those naive people how good of a ball player he actually is... Yi can be a star... but only time will tell... he deft has the potential
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (soul driver @ Jul 8 2008, 09:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think it's too early to tell, Kiki was interested in Yi last year before he even joined the Nets staff, and he himself has worked with Dirk. Sure, it's a salary dump, but I still think it's a bit more than that. At least that's what us, the fans want (and expect) and the same can be said for Rod and Kiki's expectations.</div>

Hey KiKi is the same guy who overpaid K=Mart and wasn't exactly a successful GM in Denver with a 153-328 won-loss record. I'll agree that it is still too early to tell how the RJ deal will work out for the Nets but right now I'm expecting more from Simmons.
 
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