You are 8 times more likely to get killed by a cop than a terrorist

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But I think we established in an earlier conversation that you don't really have a problem if it causes economic Armageddon. Apologies if that wasn't you, it was several months ago, and I might be remembering wrong. Those of us who are more invested in the current system (houses, kids, careers, etc) are going to be a lot less tolerant of systemic failure than you (or whoever it was that said that). Doesn't mean you should take pity on us, of course!

barfo

probably me.

liquid, low expenses, live cheaply but spend my money on frivolous good times. so not too invested in the system.
 
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You really think it's complete corruption and none of them honestly think it will help?

Are you saying that there is a 95% likelihood that the current stimulus package will make things worse (in the short term)? What's the reason for that? Even if it doesn't help, I don't see it hurting in the short term. Long term, of course, we have to pay for it whether it helps or not.

barfo

I believe that people that take the time and the effort to get elected to the Federal Government believe in the power of government. It's the old saw about if the only tool you have is a hammer, everything begins to look like a nail. I think these people made promises to their base to bring them out and if they're going to spend money, it's better to spend it on your allies--especially if it grows your allies, i.e., labor unions--than your enemies.

As for short term vs. long term, I'd like to ask a question: do you have kids? Of course borrowing for today at the expense of tomorrow is going to help in the short term. In the medium term, we could be hurt by delaying what needs to occur on its own. In the long term, we know it would REALLY hurt. And I'm unwilling to make my life a bit more comfortable at the expense of my son.
 
Perhaps. while an individual death doesn't do much to a nation, the mass deaths in a terrorist attack does cause mistrust of the government, fear, and other effects to the country. often, these are actually a bigger loss than the death of the people.

Obviously, you've never lost someone close to you.

Mistrust of the government, fear, and our current looming financial depression, were all caused by the total lack of any effort by Bush/Cheney to bring the 911 terrorists to justice.

Instead they mounted a war for profit against a country with no connection to the terrorists, an actual sworn enemy of Al Quaida in fact, therefore becoming accomplices after the fact (if not before), and bankrupting our nation while destroying any semblance of it's former freedom.

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
 
Obviously, you've never lost someone close to you.

I was speaking in terms on effect on the nation as a whole. One car accident or even 3000 has a much lower effect on the morale of the country versus a terrorist attack that destroys the twin towers.

Big, sensational deaths (terroist attacks, plane crashes, deaths in Hurriane Katrina, West Virginia shooting, Colombine) are often more sensationalized and people feel more compelled by them versus something that's not in front of their face.
 
I believe that people that take the time and the effort to get elected to the Federal Government believe in the power of government. It's the old saw about if the only tool you have is a hammer, everything begins to look like a nail. I think these people made promises to their base to bring them out and if they're going to spend money, it's better to spend it on your allies--especially if it grows your allies, i.e., labor unions--than your enemies.

Sure, there's no question that the spending is going to be targeted towards the things that the group in power thinks are worth spending on, aka allies. But it wouldn't be any more of a stimulus package if it were targeted at churches and guns instead. As far as stimulus goes, it doesn't seem to me it matters all that much what it gets spent on, as long as the money doesn't go into hiding immediately.

As for short term vs. long term, I'd like to ask a question: do you have kids?

None that I know of, but that's not a reason that I support the stimulus package. Because I don't support the stimulus package. I'm not against it either, I'm still trying to figure out whether it's a good idea or not.

barfo
 
Obviously, you've never lost someone close to you.

Mistrust of the government, fear, and our current looming financial depression, were all caused by the total lack of any effort by Bush/Cheney to bring the 911 terrorists to justice.

Actually, didn't the markets crash due to 9/11. I remember seeing some BBC thing on this on how they were related....let me find
 
What are the odds a cop is going to fly an airplane into the WTC or pentagon?

Case closed.
 
More than a middle eastern terrorist.

Middle eastern terrorists have proven to do it, police have never done it, nor would I expect them to.

Though police killing as many people as they do is not a good thing.
 
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