You be the GM: Nurkic extension this summer?

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HCP said:
Nurk played well after we traded for him. I remember Mr. Ratliff working his way into a huge contract after doing the same. I've been impressed with the big man, but there is no harm whatsoever waiting to see if his play continues and he isn't prone to injury.
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The harm could be the difference of $5-$8 mill though. If we wait, his value goes up right? If we sign him now for less than max, we save money.
 
HCP said:
Nurk played well after we traded for him. I remember Mr. Ratliff working his way into a huge contract after doing the same. I've been impressed with the big man, but there is no harm whatsoever waiting to see if his play continues and he isn't prone to injury.
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Camby is another. Again on the tail end of his career, but in both his and Ratliff's case, we had to either pay or watch them walk.

Different with Nurk. He'll be a RFA the summer after.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Camby is another. Again on the tail end of his career, but in both his and Ratliff's case, we had to either pay or watch them walk.

Different with Nurk. He'll be a RFA the summer after.
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And how did that pan out with Batum and Minny or Crabbe?
 
Orion Bailey said:
And how did that pan out with Batum and Minny or Crabbe?
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Worked perfectly fine in Nic's case. If you're worried about Nurk turning into AC (extremely overpaid for little production), it really doesn't make sense to invest all that much in him now or in the future.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Worked perfectly fine in Nic's case. If you're worried about Nurk turning into AC (extremely overpaid for little production), it really doesn't make sense to invest all that much in him now or in the future.
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The point flew over your head. We waited and then had to match other offers of which we wouldn't have paid as much. Almost sure of it. We waited on Nic and allowed his agent to play us. We waited on Crabbe and got stuck with a bad contract because we had to match.

Waiting allows another team to stick it to us. So no, I don't think it worked out perfectly in either case.
 
Orion Bailey said:
The point flew over your head. We waited and then had to match other offers of which we wouldn't have paid as much. Almost sure of it. We waited on Nic and allowed his agent to play us. We waited on Crabbe and got stuck with a bad contract because we had to match.

Waiting allows another team to stick it to us. So no, I don't think it worked out perfectly in either case.
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What exactly did we get played with? Nic got a perfectly fine contract. Hardly any incentives or poison pills. And we didn't really match anything. His agent came back to us and we gave him the same.
 
yuyuza1 said:
What exactly did we get played with? Nic got a perfectly fine contract. Hardly any incentives or poison pills. And we didn't really match anything. His agent came back to us and we gave him the same.
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you don't think that we could have signed him for less a year earlier?

The point is, if we wait, we take the chance of having to match some other team's offer that might be more than what he would be willing to sign with for us right now.
 
Orion Bailey said:
The point flew over your head. We waited and then had to match other offers of which we wouldn't have paid as much. Almost sure of it. We waited on Nic and allowed his agent to play us. We waited on Crabbe and got stuck with a bad contract because we had to match.

Waiting allows another team to stick it to us. So no, I don't think it worked out perfectly in either case.
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I think the point is flying over your head.
The only way Nurk signs an extension this summer is if it is near max. The only downside for Portland is if it is for a full max which is at most $1-2 M per year difference.

The benefit of waiting is that Portland has more negotiating power (especially if he has a less than stellar year). The Batum scenario worked out perfectly. The Crabbe situation is different because there was a LOT more available money in FA than there has been or will be for the foreseeable future. Trailblazers just made a bad business decision there....
 
tester551 said:
I think the point is flying over your head.
The only way Nurk signs an extension this summer is if it is near max. The only downside for Portland is if it is for a full max which is at most $1-2 M per year difference.

The benefit of waiting is that Portland has more negotiating power (especially if he has a less than stellar year). The Batum scenario worked out perfectly. The Crabbe situation is different because there was a LOT more available money in FA than there has been or will be for the foreseeable future. Trailblazers just made a bad business decision there....
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See I disagree. Why would we want to bank on him having a less than stellar year????
Isn't the proposal based on he is the man we want and is the future? How does that equate to wanting to wait in case he sucks?

So in the NBA do you take chances based on young players getting better or worse????

Obviously its all about what Nurk is willing to sign, but why wait to just offer him the max? Why not offer him less than now and if he passes then he passes, but if we don't we lose that chance.

Thats the point I think you and Yayuza are missing.
Its a no win if we wait, unless he gets injured or sucks. but if we offer him a contract now, then we keep our options open and varied.
 
If he is ok to sign for less than max (lets say 85M/4 years) then do it. If he demands the max there is absolutely no reason to do it this summer.
 
GDiama said:
If he is ok to sign for less than max (lets say 85M/4 years) then do it. If he demands the max there is absolutely no reason to do it this summer.
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And that is my point. Offer him less now. we wont be able to later. If we wait, we lose that option and potential to nail him down for less and thats not a bad thing either. If he wants to win, he will help us get better players around him and the guards.
If we wait and someone else offers him a max and he signs, we have no options left.
 
Mediocre Man said:
No. Stupid to do it now. Love him, but prove you can stay healthy
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So it would be stupid to offer him 18/4 right now?

I 100% disagree.

Again. How often do we have a big like this we have a chance to lock up long term? why wait until another team straps us with a max?
 
Orion Bailey said:
So it would be stupid to offer him 18/4 right now?

I 100% disagree.

Again. How often do we have a big like this we have a chance to lock up long term? why wait until another team straps us with a max?
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Not sure if it's wise to lowball a player like Nurk, if the Denver incident never happened sure why not throw an offer out there to see if he'll take it.
But it did happen, can't ignore it. Don't want to piss the diva off.
 
If Nurkic is interested in a deal substantially less than the max right now (to lock in generational wealth a year early), then signing him this off-season makes sense. If he either wants the max or something close to the max, then wait for next off-season and match. An extra year of information is important. It's not just health--remember that Nurkic went from "center of the future" to out of Denver's plans. He certainly played amazingly well for Portland, but it was for 20 games. Players have had unsustainably hot quarter-season stretches before. Not that I'm forecasting that for Nurkic, but if you see him play at that level for a full season, there's far less uncertainty in valuing him as a max player.

It's far more important to get this right than to save a few million dollars per year, IMO. If the worst should happen and Nurkic suffers a major injury or regresses back to decent-but-not-great, you're not staring at yet another albatross of a contract.

Again, I'm not saying that that's the likeliest scenario, but Portland gets another year to wait and they should take it.
 
You do not give Nurkic an extension this summer. You wait until the summer of 2018, and try to clear up cap space by then (Turner's, Leonard's, and Crabbe's contracts will be more tradeable by then).

We'd have $16M more to spend during the summer by waiting and letting Nurkic's $7M cap hold (or whatever it will be) stay on the books instead of signing him to a contract now and having a $23M+ figure on the books.

If we waited on C.J., we would've had $15M in cap space this summer, if we freed up the books. In hindsight, we probably should've waited on him too.
 
The Bosnian Beast save Portland’s season. Did he earn a max contract extension in the process?

 
Yes.

It's fascinating to listen to like, Oklahoma City podcasts where they fret about how much Andre Roberson might get offered as a restricted free agent and how imperative it is to find someone to take Kanter in to space so their owner doesn't pay any luxury tax.

That kind of attitude might have been fine years ago, but now, with plenty of owners willing to eat huge losses in order to win championships, that really won't fly for long.
 
Rhal said:
yea he played 16 games, i'll wait to offer him an extension especially if the number he wants is insane. If he wants 4/50 sure but otherwise i'll wait.
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Agree with this. Would rather wait till he plays more games, injury is completely clear. After Allen Crabbe got paid as well as many of our other guys and kind of stayed the same or regressed a little, I would prefer to wait before throwing a huge contract out there. Give it half a season then we will see
 
comparing Nurk to Crabbe or others are just nonsense, Nurk is TOP 10 C in the NBA, are Crabbe and others TOP 10 in their position, good god... Nurk wont regress or stay the same, hell improve cause here he has every single needed ingredient to make it happen, but personally I think Blazers will wait till next summer and then offer him contract, I think theyll wait to see if he has injury problems

even if he plays great next season and you offer him contract next summer, who can guarantee he will not regress after that... I want him to stay, whether is that gonna happen this or next summer, I dont care really
 
Wait to sign him in case we shed enough salaries to have cap space next summer.
 
Probably makes sense on both sides to offer some kind of compromise non-max deal. If he takes it then you save some cash. If he wants to bet on a good year then that is fine too.
 
absolutely not, I loved what I saw but Nurk needs to prove he can play at that level for a WHOLE season and we need to see if he can stay healthy. We lose nothing while waiting and if teams spend like drunken sailors again this yr there will be less money available the following summer when the capspace is expected to basically go sideways and not up.
 
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