Young Black males: 14x more likely to be murdered than white males

[EL PRESIDENTE]

http://californiawatch.org/dailyreport/young-black-males-far-more-likely-be-murder-victims-8405

California Watch looks at a new report with some grim conclusions: Young blacks are five times more likely to be killed than other Californians their same age:

The disparity was even wider for black males, who have a homicide rate more than 14 times that of whites and nearly four times that of Hispanics. Those are among the disturbing facts in a new report by the Violence Policy Center [PDF] which found that guns and firearms were used in 84 percent of the 803 homicides of 10- to 24-year-olds in California in 2009. Ninety percent of the victims were male.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I guess that comes as no great surprise. Isn't the majority of gang activity non Caucasian?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Perhaps.

 

[maxiep]

I'd be interested to see the numbers not only on the victims but the perpetrators. I'd bet most of those murders of black males are by other black males.

 

[MARIS61]

I'd be interested to see the numbers not only on the victims but the perpetrators. I'd bet most of those murders of black males are by other black males.

Roughly 94% of them.

This "report" is nothing more than anti-2nd Amendment propaganda by the Violence Policy Center, a radical DC group whose only goal is to "prohibit gun ownership in America". The contrived report is written as if "guns" are going around by themselves murdering people.

Kristen Rand, their legislatice director who takes home as salary roughly 20% of the VPC's total budget, and is about be all there is to the VPC. Her website is oddly anonymous as to who the actual people involved are. Rand is infamous with reporters for simply making shit up on the spot and relating supposed crimes which never happened.

Her data does nothing to suggest gun ownership needs to be restricted. It does go a long way to suggest certain people (murderers) need to be eliminated.

Her data suggests that eliminating the 12 million or so black Americans would prevent about 10,000 murders a year (over half of all murders).
An insane and immoral idea of course (and I would never support it), but one with obvious positive impact in reducing murders in America. So rather than chase windmills disarming Americans why not address the problem through factual education, and a campaign to get black parents (and all parents for that matter) to assume their responsibilities in raising children or hold them liable for the consequences?

Here's some old but illuminating data:

According to FBI statistics, over 18,000 people were murdered in 1997. The 1997 figure was down 7 percent from 1996, and 26 percent from 1993.

According to data about 15,289 of the estimated 18,209 murders in 1997: 77 percent of the victims were males and 88 percent were persons 18 years of age or older. Forty-four percent were ages 20 through 34. The percentage of whites murdered was 48 percent, blacks 49 percent, and other races accounted for the remainder.

In 1997, according to supplemental data reported for 17,272 offenders, 90 percent of the offenders for whom sex, age, and race were reported were male, and 87 percent were persons 18 of age and older. Seventy percent were ages 17-34. Of offenders for whom race was known, 53 percent were black, 45 percent were white, and the remainder were persons of other races.

Data indicate that murder is most often intra-racial among victims and offenders. In 1997, data based on incidents involving one victim and one offender show that 94 percent of the black murder victims were slain by black offenders, and 85 percent of white murder victims were killed by white offenders.

According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, homicide rates recently declined to levels last seen before 1970. The homicide rate doubled from the mid 1960's to the late 1970's. In 1980, it peaked at 10.2 per 100,000 population and subsequently fell off to 7.9 per 100,000 in 1985. It rose again in the late 1980's and early 1990's to a peak of 9.8 per 100,000 in 1991. Since then, the rate has declined, reaching 6.8 per 100,000 by 1997.

Approximately 1 in every 3,900 black Americans is a convicted murderer, compared to about 1 in 37,000 white Americans being a convicted murderer.

When a single race is 10 times more likely to murder people only pathetic morons would try to place the blame on intimate objects available to all races rather than on the race itself. Killers are not born. They are the product of their parent's efforts (or lack of) at childraising.

I remember back in the late 80's a woman was quoted in the Oregonian. Her son had killed another boy in a drive-by in Portland and she was wailing about how she didn't think Portland was a violent place and that's why she moved here from LA to get her son away from all the gangs.

Guns were not the problem. LA was never the problem.

She was the problem. The daddy who wasn't there was the problem. Her rotten son was the problem.

I suspect Kristen Rand has a similar story in her closet.

 

[Eastoff]

This "report" is nothing more than anti-2nd Amendment propaganda by the Violence Policy Center, a radical DC group whose only goal is to "prohibit gun ownership in America". The contrived report is written as if "guns" are going around by themselves murdering people.

Ignoring all your attempts to apply race over poverty as the cause, I'd like to point out that you assume the second amendment gives the right to people as individuals to arm themselves; not a militia to arm themselves.

 

[Ed O]

Ignoring all your attempts to apply race over poverty as the cause, I'd like to point out that you assume the second amendment gives the right to people as individuals to arm themselves; not a militia to arm themselves.

That's the way the Supreme Court has ruled, and the way the founders seemed to live their lives (there were militias of individuals who owned arms, not a central repository of guns that were distributed to a militia) so it seems like a pretty safe "assumption".

Ed O.

 

[Eastoff]

That's the way the Supreme Court has ruled, and the way the founders seemed to live their lives (there were militias of individuals who owned arms, not a central repository of guns that were distributed to a militia) so it seems like a pretty safe "assumption".

Ed O.

Doesn't seem like any of the people owning guns are actually in a formal militia. Regardless, the point was for a militia to be prepared to defend itself against a tyrannical government. Yeah good luck stopping a tank with your questionably legal ak-47

 

[Ed O]

Doesn't seem like any of the people owning guns are actually in a formal militia. Regardless, the point was for a militia to be prepared to defend itself against a tyrannical government. Yeah good luck stopping a tank with your questionably legal ak-47

Militias were often not created until a threat arose. There was NO need to be part of a militia to possess a firearm... and the second amendment's protections are not limited to dealing with militias.

In any case, I don't think that the existence of tanks suddenly renders an amendment to the Constitution of the United States null and void.

Ed O.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

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[BrianFromWA]

Militias were often not created until a threat arose. There was NO need to be part of a militia to possess a firearm... and the second amendment's protections are not limited to dealing with militias.

In any case, I don't think that the existence of tanks suddenly renders an amendment to the Constitution of the United States null and void.

Ed O.

Having a musket probably wouldn't have stood up against a British artillery barrage in 1776, either. Somehow we made it work.

 

[MARIS61]

Ignoring all your attempts to apply race over poverty as the cause, I'd like to point out that you assume the second amendment gives the right to people as individuals to arm themselves; not a militia to arm themselves.

No assumptions made, not by me anyway.

It's just that I can read simple sentences without trying to place hidden meanings into them.

Your arguement was tossed out decades ago when it was pointed out that "the right of the people" is a common phrase used throughout the Bill of Rights, ALWAYS in reference to INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AND PROTECTIONS.

 

[MARIS61]

Ignoring all your attempts to apply race over poverty as the cause, I'd like to point out that you assume the second amendment gives the right to people as individuals to arm themselves; not a militia to arm themselves.

Poverty as an excuse to kill. LOL.

The data clearly shows poverty is not a factor at all in murder rates.

One racial minority (12% of the population) commits 53% of the nation's murders!

Other minorities, although as poor or poorer, have no such fixation on killing people. Combined, they kill 2%.

The white majority commits the remaining 45%.

 

[MARIS61]

Doesn't seem like any of the people owning guns are actually in a formal militia. Regardless, the point was for a militia to be prepared to defend itself against a tyrannical government. Yeah good luck stopping a tank with your questionably legal ak-47

Learn the basics of your country's creation.

The 2nd Amendment was written to defend citizens against the possibility of a military coup from within the American government. Historically, this is the most common threat to young country's existence.

300 years later, it's still the biggest threat to this country.

 

[MARIS61]

Regardless, the point was for a militia to be prepared to defend itself against a tyrannical government. Yeah good luck stopping a tank with your questionably legal ak-47

No, that was never the point.

And it says "arms", not guns.

It is Constitutionally legal for me to own a tank, or a nuke, or a battleship if I wanted.

 

[MARIS61]

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The amendment explicitly specifies "the right of the People". This would clearly indicate it to be an INDIVIDUAL right.

So why the "militia clause"? Considering that the second half of the amendment specifies the "right of the people", this implies the "militia clause" is simply an explanatory clause rather than a conditional clause. In short, membership in a militia is NOT required as an condition of firearms ownership.

 

[bodyman5001]

You're all dumb, they are gonna be looking for Army guys.

Ok, along those lines, the reason a black guy is more likely to be murdered is he can't run with his pants hanging down below his butt cheeks. Duh.

 

[MARIS61]

Young Black males: 14x more likely to murder each other

Young Black males: 14x more likely to murder each other.

 

[Denny Crane]

Poverty is clearly a big part of the problem. Dependence on the government for decades is a big part of the problem, too. And the culture that derives from poverty, not enough hope, broken families, institutional and overt racism, all combine to make these otherwise good young people turn to gangs and crime.

 

[MARIS61]

Poverty is clearly a big part of the problem. Dependence on the government for decades is a big part of the problem, too. And the culture that derives from poverty, not enough hope, broken families, institutional and overt racism, all combine to make these otherwise good young people turn to gangs and crime.

That's an insult to good young people everywhere, and the responsible parents who raise them to be a credit to society.

Rotten little cowards turn to gangs and crime, and they have only their parents and themselves to blame.

 

[Denny Crane]

That's an insult to good young people everywhere, and the responsible parents who raise them to be a credit to society.

Rotten little cowards turn to gangs and crime, and they have only their parents and themselves to blame.

Most of them don't have parents or families and turn to gangs as a replacement for those things.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

That's an insult to good young people everywhere, and the responsible parents who raise them to be a credit to society.

Rotten little cowards turn to gangs and crime, and they have only their parents and themselves to blame.

http://sportstwo.com/threads/173905-Crips-and-Bloods-Made-in-America

 

[Bob Dobalina]

Are there any other black folks in this thread? Just trying to gain some perspective on the responses.

 

[Colonel Ronan]

Are there any other black folks in this thread? Just trying to gain some perspective on the responses.

Nope. I'm pretty sure most of these guys are white 40-year-old NRA members.

It's funny how the perspective is different with people who are <25 no matter what their race is.

 

[maxiep]

Nope. I'm pretty sure most of these guys are white 40-year-old NRA members.

It's funny how the perspective is different with people who are <25 no matter what their race is.

Yep. There's nothing quite like making your own way to clarify priorities.

 

[Colonel Ronan]

Yep. There's nothing quite like making your own way to clarify priorities.

I put on my socks before my trousers, yourself?

 

[Denny Crane]

Are there any other black folks in this thread? Just trying to gain some perspective on the responses.

What's your take on the murder figures?

 

[MARIS61]

Most of them don't have parents or families and turn to gangs as a replacement for those things.

Just like their parents and families did.

Rotten little cowards.

It's a behavior, not an excuse.

 

[MARIS61]

Nope. I'm pretty sure most of these guys are white 40-year-old NRA members.

It's funny how the perspective is different with people who are <25 no matter what their race is.

They're just a bit green at their tender age. They'll learn.

 

[Colonel Ronan]

They're just a bit green at their tender age. They'll learn.

Teehee! I hate vegetables!