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9 days to the draft, we know just about all we're going to know about the first-round prospects. So post your personal big board--not the order you think the draft will go, or the players you think teams should take, but the top 16 players you would pick for the Blazers if you could, in order. It doesn't matter whether they will be gone long before the Blazers' pick, or if they're likely a 2nd-round pick--all that matters is if you would have the Blazers draft them if they (even unrealistically) were available with our pick.

So go--who are your top 16?
 
1. A. Edwards
2. I. Okoro
3. O. Okongwu
4. P. Williams
5. J. Wiseman
6. O. Toppin
7. D. Avdija
8. T. Haliburton
9. Devin Vessell
10. K. Hayes
11. T. Maxey
12. S. Bey
13. P. Achiuwa
14. J. Smith
15. J. Green
16. A. Nesmith

Realistically, I hope S. Bey falls t0 16
 
1. Avdija
2. Okongwu
3. Haliburton
4. Ball
5. Wiseman
6. Okoro
7. Edwards
8. Pokusevski
9. Precious
10. S. Bey
11. Green
12. Maledon
13. P. Williams
14. Hayes
15. Vassell
16. Toppin
 
Damn, that's a tougher question than just what someone's big board is. I have my big board but it's not necessarily who I'd want the Blazers to pick.

1. Anthony Edwards
2. James Wiseman
3. Obi Toppin
4. Onyeka Okongwu
5. Tyrese Haliburton
6. Saddiq Bey
7. Aaron Nesmith
8. Deni Avdija
9. Killian Hayes
10. Aleksej Pokusevski
11. Theo Maledon
12. LaMelo Ball
13. Isaac Okoro
14. RJ Hampton
15. Jalen Smith
16. Tyrese Maxey

For the Blazers though I'd probably put Patrick Williams and Precious Achiuwa in place of Ball and Hampton.

Edit: As you can most likely tell by how high they are it's Saddiq Bey/Aaron Nesmith by a mile for who I'm hoping for.
 
That's tough. I honestly haven't even thought about who the top 10-12 picks would be on such a list since we would have no realistic chance at them.
 
Do you mean who I think will go in the top 16 (honestly no idea), the players that I think should be ranked 1-16 (which would include players like LaMelo Ball) or my 16 fave players (which wouldn't)?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Do you mean who I think will go in the top 16 (honestly no idea), the players that I think should be ranked 1-16 (which would include players like LaMelo Ball) or my 16 fave players (which wouldn't)?
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reading is hard huh?
 
hoopsjock said:
Damn, that's a tougher question than just what someone's big board is. I have my big board but it's not necessarily who I'd want the Blazers to pick.
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Interesting...are you saying that there are circumstances in which you (were you Neil) would not take BPA?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Interesting...are you saying that there are circumstances in which you (were you Neil) would not take BPA?
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There's two kinds of BPA. There's BPA if you were starting a franchise from scratch, and there's BPA for your team (call it RBPA for relativized BPA). "But that second one is just "fit" and that's why the Blazers took Bowie over Jordan!!!!" No, Jordan was both kinds of BPA, because we would've won more with him. Here's the difference between "fit" and "RBPA": "fit" just means "if we have a good starter at X's position then we should pick a player at a different position". Relativized-BPA means you take the best player that won't require you to completely re-shape your team, but it's okay to take someone that requires you to change the way you play. So, in theory Wade and LBJ weren't a good "fit", but the Heat invented a new way to play (basically center-less) to make it work.
ALSO: you can acknowledge that LaMelo Ball is super-talented and will make a lot of highlight reels without wanting to pick him for your team.
 
hoopsjock said:
He's number 6 on my board. He's going to be really, really good and I'm not afraid to go out on a limb and put him that high.
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I also feel that way about Xavier Tillman. I am prepared to watch the Warriors or Lakers snag him, because that's what usually happens.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Interesting...are you saying that there are circumstances in which you (were you Neil) would not take BPA?
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Another tough question, ha ha.

For me, certain player's path to becoming a good player depend on what team drafts them. It's not necessarily that they aren't BPA, I just think in some situation it's a lot more difficult to become BPA, if that makes any sense.

For example I think Mikal Bridges would've been an absolute perfect fit on Philly but they traded him to Phoenix where he's not the type of player that fits in well on a bad team.

Also from that draft you have a guy like Mo Bamba who gets drafted and doesn't really have a path to major minutes playing behind Vucevic. If he would've gone to say the Knicks and gotten the opportunities a Mitchell Robinson has gotten to play, would he be thought of a lot more highly right now?

I really don't like LaMelo's game but if he has a shot at succeeding I think he has to become the man on his own team. He doesn't seem like the type that would just be a good role player on a good team. I feel like he's either going to be a star or a complete bust and don't really see much in between. If he goes to a team like Portland sure he'd learn from two amazing guards and the culture is strong but he would be held back from becoming what he could be simply because the opportunities to play and run the team wouldn't be there like they would if he goes to say Detroit who has basically no playmakers (assuming they trade Rose).
 
hoopsjock said:
Another tough question, ha ha.

For me, certain player's path to becoming a good player depend on what team drafts them. It's not necessarily that they aren't BPA, I just think in some situation it's a lot more difficult to become BPA, if that makes any sense.

For example I think Mikal Bridges would've been an absolute perfect fit on Philly but they traded him to Phoenix where he's not the type of player that fits in well on a bad team.

Also from that draft you have a guy like Mo Bamba who gets drafted and doesn't really have a path to major minutes playing behind Vucevic. If he would've gone to say the Knicks and gotten the opportunities a Mitchell Robinson has gotten to play, would he be thought of a lot more highly right now?

I really don't like LaMelo's game but if he has a shot at succeeding I think he has to become the man on his own team. He doesn't seem like the type that would just be a good role player on a good team. I feel like he's either going to be a star or a complete bust and don't really see much in between. If he goes to a team like Portland sure he'd learn from two amazing guards and the culture is strong but he would be held back from becoming what he could be simply because the opportunities to play and run the team wouldn't be there like they would if he goes to say Detroit who has basically no playmakers (assuming they trade Rose).
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One thing to add to that, if Ball was on the board at 16 (obviously he won't but hypothetically) then the temptation to take him simply as a trade asset would be intriguing. I'm just talking about who would be best in a Blazer uniform though.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
There's two kinds of BPA. There's BPA if you were starting a franchise from scratch, and there's BPA for your team (call it RBPA for relativized BPA). "But that second one is just "fit" and that's why the Blazers took Bowie over Jordan!!!!" No, Jordan was both kinds of BPA, because we would've won more with him. Here's the difference between "fit" and "RBPA": "fit" just means "if we have a good starter at X's position then we should pick a player at a different position". Relativized-BPA means you take the best player that won't require you to completely re-shape your team, but it's okay to take someone that requires you to change the way you play. So, in theory Wade and LBJ weren't a good "fit", but the Heat invented a new way to play (basically center-less) to make it work.
ALSO: you can acknowledge that LaMelo Ball is super-talented and will make a lot of highlight reels without wanting to pick him for your team.
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Excellent. So then, to answer your first question...

Rastapopoulos said:
Do you mean who I think will go in the top 16 (honestly no idea), the players that I think should be ranked 1-16 (which would include players like LaMelo Ball) or my 16 fave players (which wouldn't)?
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this thread is asking your personal rBPA top 16 rankings for this draft, for the Blazers.

Or to put it another way, once you're done with your list, you're saying that if the Blazers draft anyone that's not on your list, you think they've chosen poorly.
 
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But what is "BPA"?

Is it best stats over the course of their career? Best stats in their prime? Is it contribution to team sucess?

To put it another way, who was the BPA in their draft: Roy (short, brilliant career) or Aldridge (long, above average career)? How about Rondo (lesser stats but significant contributions to 2 titles)?
 
Buffalo Custard said:
But what is "BPA"?

Is it best stats over the course of their career? Best stats in their prime? Is it contribution to team sucess?

To put it another way, who was the BPA in their draft: Roy (short, brilliant career) or Aldridge (long, above average career)? How about Rondo (lesser stats but significant contributions to 2 titles)?
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I guess that is up to you to determine.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Excellent. So then, to answer your first question...



this thread is asking your personal rBPA top 16 rankings for this draft, for the Blazers.

Or to put it another way, once you're done with your list, you're saying that if the Blazers draft anyone that's not on your list, you think they've chosen poorly.
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Huh. I'm still torn, because there are players (like Okongwu and Halliburton) who are projected to go high, and I'd probably feel peer pressure to take them if we traded up just because of perceived "value" even if I don't necessarily prefer them to lower-ranked picks. Oh well, I'm just going to list a bunch of players I wouldn't be unhappy about us ending up with.

Okongwu
Halliburton
Avdija
P. Williams (I'd be a bit worried about this one - it's more of a gamble)
Tyrell Terry
Devin Vassell
Precious Achiuwa (like Williams, only I think he's a bit of a safer bet)
Saddiq Bey
Xavier Tillman (probably my pick at #16 if the draft goes roughly as predicted)
Malachi Flynn
Tyler Bey
Leandro Bolmaro (also a gamble - worried that he's got Ricky Rubio athleticism and Rudy Fernandez handles rather than the reverse)
Cassius Winston
Mason Jones (I shouldn't like him because he's a high-usage scorer who'll be picked too low to get the ball as much as he wants, but the heart wants what the heart wants)
Desmond Bane
Killian Tillie (he's French, you know!)

If I had to pick a five from that (something we did in a thread a while ago, much closer to when the draft would usually be) it'd be Bey, Bey, Tillman, Jones and Flynn, just because probably ALL of them will be available at 16, except maybe S. Bey.
 
Buffalo Custard said:
But what is "BPA"?

Is it best stats over the course of their career? Best stats in their prime? Is it contribution to team sucess?

To put it another way, who was the BPA in their draft: Roy (short, brilliant career) or Aldridge (long, above average career)? How about Rondo (lesser stats but significant contributions to 2 titles)?
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PAUL MILLSAP!
 
Anthony Edwards (I'm a big fan of Top Gun and E.R. and the most athletically gifted player in the draft, who might be able to do everything)
James Wiseman (second lowest floor in the draft and a high ceiling)
LaMello Ball (I realize his most likely destination is MCW but I just think there's this 1 out of 3 chance he's a game changing one of a kind all-star)
Obi Toppin (highest floor in the draft and the only guy in the draft that seems to be a lock to be a starter for quite a while in the league)
Killian Hayes (I could be wrong could be the start all of these comments but is important in this one, I think he has the highest floor of any guard in this draft and a high ceiling)
Deni Avdija (love his game, think he has a really bright future but may have bust potential)
Patrick Williams (love his versatility and toughness)
Onyeka Okongwu (if you want a small ball 5 he's better than Toppin so maybe he should be higher but measuring his ceiling, this is where he lands for me)
Aleksej Pokusevski (all I can see is a better shooting Porzingis, he's my favorite prospect in this draft but obviously has bust potential so this is where he falls for me, I hope we end up with him)
Tyrese Halliburton (really battles Hayes for the highest floor among guards in the draft, I just don't see the high ceiling)
Isaac Okoro (a really exciting prospect, so athletic and strong, should be a defensive stopper on the wing but his outside shooting just isn't there)
Devin Vassell (Yikes, I hope he was just fucking around with that new shooting motion because he would have been a lot higher on my board if it weren't for that)
Saddiq Bey (I think his lack of athleticism is being overstated, his shooting and effort can't be overstated... obviously his lack of elite athleticism is problematic or I'd have him higher)
Aaron Nesmith (3 and D wings are important also he's the great great grandson of the inventor of basketball which is a pretty big deal)
Pecisous Achiuwa (if he can hit the three this is way too low for him but that's a big if, he is a monster and will defend, rebound and score inside all at an elite level)
Theo Maledon (his floor isn't super high but I just really like his game a lot and think he could be really good in the league)

I am a Blazers fan so our needs may have factored into my board but the only guy I feel like might have made it that didn't if I weren't a little biased is Tyrese Maxey who might be the most gifted scorer in the draft and may also have the best character but I just can't think about putting a score first 6'3" player on my big board for some reason.
 
1 Anthony Edwards
2 James Wiseman
3 Onyeka Okongwu
4 Obi Toppin
5 Kira Lewis Jr.
6 Killian Hayes
7 Tyrese Haliburton
8 Deni Avdija
9 Lamelo Ball
10 Tyrese Maxey
11 Aleksej Pokusevski
12 Saddiq Bey
13 Aaron Nesmith
14 Patrick Williams
15 Jaden McDaniels
16 Isaac Okoro
17 Precious Achiuwa
18 Devin Vassell
19 Theo Maledon
20 Daniel Oturu
21 R.J. Hampton
22 Jalen Smith
23 Jahmi'us Ramsey
24 Elijah Hughes
25 Killian Tillie
26 Cole Anthony
27 Mason Jones
28 Isaiah Stewart
29 Desmond Bane
30 Nico Mannion
31 Leandro Bolmaro
32 Ty-Shon Alexander
33 Josh Green
34 Tyler Bey
35 Tyrell Terry
36 Jordan Nwora
37 Jalen Harris
38 Sam Merrill
39 Nick Richards
40 Robert Woodard II
 
1. James Wiseman
2. Obi Toppin
3. Onyeka Okongwu
4. Jalen Smith
5. Saddiq Bey
6. Vernon Carey
7. Daniel Oturu
8. Reggie Perry
9. Anthony Edwards
10. Killian Hayes
11. Aaron Nesmith
12. Tyrese Haliburton
13. Deni Avdija
14. Devon Dotson
15. Xavier Tillman
16. LaMelo Ball
17. Kira Lewis
18. Udoka Azubuike
19. Elijah Hughes
20. Isaiah Stewart
 
1. Edwards- Just cannot deny the potential this guy has
2. Wiseman- Should be an elite player around the rim on both ends of the floor with a chance to expand his game farther
3. Obi Toppin- He should a a solid starter for a time, maybe an all star at some point in his career
4. Okongwu- His defensive impact will be huge. His offense will come along eventually. He will be a lot like Bam
5. Avdija- With the right team and development he can be a star, potentially borderline all star
6. Hayes- A solid guard who can do a bit of everything, think he will be a lot like Dragic
7. Haliburton- Should be a solid combo guard for a long time.
8. Ball- Think he will be more of a bust, but I will admit he does have some intriguing stuff to his game
9. Saddiq Bey- Will be a solid forward for a very long time
10. Precious Achiuwa- His potential to guard 1-5 is very attractive. He is also very good in the pick and roll on offense. His potential to expand his game to the 3 point line is enticing
11. Maxey- Something about Kentucky guards that make them very good in the NBA
12. Nesmith- His potential to be an elite 3 point shooter can’t be overlooked
13. Patrick Williams- His ceiling is relatively high but it will take awhile for him to get there, if he get there at all
14. Kira Lewis- Speed kills, right?
15. Okoro- Should be a defensive stopper in the nba but will his offense be good enough?
16. Pokuseski- Gotta admit his potential is pretty high but his weight and strength could be what hold him back from fulfilling his potential
17. Jaden Mcdaniels- a 6 foot 10 wing who can create his shots is too hard to pass on, the real question is if he can mature on the court and off of the court.
18. Oturu- A big man who can block shots and knock down 3s. Should be valuable for any nba team.
19. Josh Green- He can defend really well. And his shooting should continue to improve. Likely a good 3D guy
20. Vassell- I don’t like the fact that he’s skinny. His floor is 3D guy and his ceiling is 3D guy, doesn’t seem like a guy who can improve much
Barely missed the cut- Jalen Smith, Hampton, Bolmaro, and Ramsey
 
damianlillard said:
16. Pokuseski- Gotta admit his potential is pretty high but his weight and strength could be what hold him back from fulfilling his potential
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I don't know much about this kid....but I see he is only 18. I would not worry about his weight and strength. I understand it would be nice to draft someone who could play right away but I only see a few guys in this draft who are ready for that. Got to love his outside stroke for a guy with a 7'3" wingspan and a 9'1 standing reach.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I don't know much about this kid....but I see he is only 18. I would not worry about his weight and strength. I understand it would be nice to draft someone who could play right away but I only see a few guys in this draft who are ready for that. Got to love his outside stroke for a guy with a 7'3" wingspan and a 9'1 standing reach.
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Yeah but there’s more than just his weight and strength. He played at a low level in Europe. So he hasn’t played much against good competition. And in those lower level he hasn’t look exactly great. So that’s concerning too. Like if he can’t play well against them how can we expect him to play well in the nba. And I understand that he’s a few year away from being able to contribute and his potential is still high but there’s a lot of questions that come with him that make him lower on my board I guess
 
damianlillard said:
Yeah but there’s more than just his weight and strength. He played at a low level in Europe. So he hasn’t played much against good competition. And in those lower level he hasn’t look exactly great. So that’s concerning too. Like if he can’t play well against them how can we expect him to play well in the nba. And I understand that he’s a few year away from being able to contribute and his potential is still high but there’s a lot of questions that come with him that make him lower on my board I guess
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His shot is so sweet, his handle is sick, he moves quickly with fluidity and has great timing on blocks and boards. The kid is for real... his bust potential is kinda high but his upside is so much higher. I really hope he's there at 16 and we pick him up.
 
42N8Bounce said:
1. James Wiseman
2. Obi Toppin
3. Onyeka Okongwu
4. Jalen Smith
5. Saddiq Bey
6. Vernon Carey
7. Daniel Oturu
8. Reggie Perry
9. Anthony Edwards
10. Killian Hayes
11. Aaron Nesmith
12. Tyrese Haliburton
13. Deni Avdija
14. Devon Dotson
15. Xavier Tillman
16. LaMelo Ball
17. Kira Lewis
18. Udoka Azubuike
19. Elijah Hughes
20. Isaiah Stewart
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Really high on Smith I see. Guessing that's who you're hoping the Blazers take at 16.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I don't know much about this kid....but I see he is only 18. I would not worry about his weight and strength. I understand it would be nice to draft someone who could play right away but I only see a few guys in this draft who are ready for that. Got to love his outside stroke for a guy with a 7'3" wingspan and a 9'1 standing reach.
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If I was a GM he'd scare me to death, but I'm a sucker for a good passer:
 
blazerkor said:
His shot is so sweet, his handle is sick, he moves quickly with fluidity and has great timing on blocks and boards. The kid is for real... his bust potential is kinda high but his upside is so much higher. I really hope he's there at 16 and we pick him up.
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He looks like the kind of player who'd just be starting to look good when his rookie contract runs out.
 
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