Your Top 10 Players in the NBA

[BlayZa]

Dylan
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cause the hot fire

 

[BonesJones]

I'll be releasing a top 100 players video series daily For my YT channel, starting with 100-86 tomorrow. Would y'all want me to make one big thread for that or individual threads for each installment?

 

[Boob-No-More]

I'll be releasing a top 100 players video series daily For my YT channel, starting with 100-86 tomorrow. Would y'all want me to make one big thread for that or individual threads for each installment?

Do it @KingSpeed style - one thread per player. That way you're always guaranteed to have at least one thread near the top of the first page.

BNM

 

[blazerkor]

So basically what you're saying is scoring is all there matters in basketball? C'mon man
He's elite in every area for big men except scoring. Even then, he can post up, hit 3s, and take guys off the dribble, all while never taking a bad shot and being efficient. He's borderline top 15.

Like I said not top 20 to me. I already said that he's a great passing big man but that's about it. Mediocre scorer, rim defender and rebounder. I'd stick with Nurk if given a chance for a strait up trade.

 

[KingSpeed]

Was Horford some kind of typo? He averaged 13 points per game last season... and for an elite big (if that's what he's supposed to be) averaging 7 rebounds per game is shitty and wrap it up with 1.1 block per game. Nurk averaged 14, 9 and 1.4 and don't get me wrong the Bosnian Beast is nowhere close to my top ten. I will say that 4.7 assists per game is impressive for a big but not enough to overshadow his mediocrity everywhere else.

Mediocre, lol??? Horford?? Stats don't tell the story for Al Horford. Pay no attention to raw points and rebounds. He is an excellent basketball player and does so many great things that don't show up in a boxscore. He's the main reason Boston went to ECF last year. The guy is a winner. Put him on any team and they get way way way better. He's definitely Top 10 as far as I'm concerned. It was pretty obvious during the playoffs. He's so underrated.

 

[KingSpeed]

So basically what you're saying is scoring is all there matters in basketball? C'mon man
He's elite in every area for big men except scoring. Even then, he can post up, hit 3s, and take guys off the dribble, all while never taking a bad shot and being efficient. He's borderline top 15.

I'd say he's elite in scoring too. You just backed it up. He can score from wherever he wants whenever he wants. He it game winner against us. He made game winning layup blowing past Embiid in second round.

 

[KingSpeed]

I'll be releasing a top 100 players video series daily For my YT channel, starting with 100-86 tomorrow. Would y'all want me to make one big thread for that or individual threads for each installment?

Make one thread for all the installments.

 

[KingSpeed]

Like I said not top 20 to me. I already said that he's a great passing big man but that's about it. Mediocre scorer, rim defender and rebounder. I'd stick with Nurk if given a chance for a strait up trade.

Tell me something Al Horford can't do. Just cuz he's not a stat stuffer doesn't mean he's not elite at every aspect of the game.

 

[blazerkor]

Mediocre, lol??? Horford?? Stats don't tell the story for Al Horford. Pay no attention to raw points and rebounds. He is an excellent basketball player and does so many great things that don't show up in a boxscore. He's the main reason Boston went to ECF last year. The guy is a winner. Put him on any team and they get way way way better. He's definitely Top 10 as far as I'm concerned. It was pretty obvious during the playoffs. He's so underrated.

I think Brown, Tatum and Irving were all more important to Boston's success last season than Al. Horford is a serviceable big who does the little things, he's a glue guy but to me that's nowhere close to meriting a top ten mention. That being said I think this is just a case of two differing opinions. You obviously see a lot more in Horford than I do.

 

[blazerkor]

Tell me something Al Horford can't do. Just cuz he's not a stat stuffer doesn't mean he's not elite at every aspect of the game.

I don't think stats tell the whole story but they definitely tell part of it and if he were an "elite" scorer, rebouner, or shot blocker/rim protector his stats would tell some of that story. Really though, like I already said, you see Horford differently than I do, which surprises me but is fine.

 

[KingSpeed]

I think Brown, Tatum and Irving were all more important to Boston's success last season than Al. Horford is a serviceable big who does the little things, he's a glue guy but to me that's nowhere close to meriting a top ten mention. That being said I think this is just a case of two differing opinions. You obviously see a lot more in Horford than I do.

hahahaha. Irving missed playoffs and they weren't any worse without him. Brown is developing. Tatum too but if you wanted to win a big game tonight in the here and now, I'd take Horford over the other 3. Next time you watch a Celtics game, check him out. In the meantime....

 

[KingSpeed]

Oh and don't forget The Steal:



Repeat of the earlier game winner I posted but watch the steal afterwards

 

[BonesJones]

hahahaha. Irving missed playoffs and they weren't any worse without him. Brown is developing. Tatum too but if you wanted to win a big game tonight in the here and now, I'd take Horford over the other 3. Next time you watch a Celtics game, check him out. In the meantime....

If you don't put Kyrie above Horford then that's absolutely ridiculous. If Dame was hurt the last portion of the season would you say he isn't top 10? No you wouldn't. Kyrie has similar stats. And I had your back on Horford too...

 

[blazerkor]

Oh and don't forget The Steal:



Repeat of the earlier game winner I posted but watch the steal afterwards

OK the guy is clutch and I should have said Rozier not Kyrie helped more in getting them to ECF. The thing is I actually like Al and think he is underrated by most but he's definitely not underrated when someone puts him in the discussion for top ten players in the league.

 

[BonesJones]

I don't think stats tell the whole story but they definitely tell part of it and if he were an "elite" scorer, rebouner, or shot blocker/rim protector his stats would tell some of that story. Really though, like I already said, you see Horford differently than I do, which surprises me but is fine.

He is an elite rim protector. Block shots dont always equate to rim protection. He had a DBPM of 2.9. Not to mention his switchability either, as that plays a part too.

 

[KingSpeed]

If you don't put Kyrie above Horford then that's absolutely ridiculous. If Dame was hurt the last portion of the season would you say he isn't top 10? No you wouldn't. Kyrie has similar stats. And I had your back on Horford too...

I think being injured hurts your ranking. If Lillard wasn't playing last year, he wouldn't be in my top 10 just like Cousins isn't in my top 10. That said, if I had to pick between Kyrie and Horford to start a team for THIS season ONLY, I would take Horford. No question. Boston didn't play any worse without Kyrie but they would definitely have played worse without Horford.

 

[BonesJones]

I think being injured hurts your ranking. If Lillard wasn't playing last year, he wouldn't be in my top 10 just like Cousins isn't in my top 10. That said, if I had to pick between Kyrie and Horford to start a team for THIS season ONLY, I would take Horford. No question. Boston didn't play any worse without Kyrie but they would definitely have played worse without Horford.

That's not Kyries fault, that's just because they have a ton of guard depth. If they had a ton of big depth and no guard depth, they would've missed Kyrie much more than Horford. I don't see how you can penalize Kyrie because Terry Rozier is solid...

 

[BonesJones]

Like I said not top 20 to me. I already said that he's a great passing big man but that's about it. Mediocre scorer, rim defender and rebounder. I'd stick with Nurk if given a chance for a strait up trade.

Not a mediocre defender at all. He's elite. Mediocre scorer? He's efficient and takes good shots, spaces, and can shoot any shot with efficiency. I don't see how that's mediocre.

 

[BonesJones]

Make one thread for all the installments.

Thats not what you would do.

 

[THE HCP]

Both good and bad. He's talented enough to get his team to the brink, but selfish and stupid enough to fuck it up.

BNM

#sigh

 

[Boob-No-More]

#sigh

I'll see your #sigh and raise you #harumph. For the last seven seasons, OKC has consistently been one of the two worst teams in the league when it comes to blowing 4th quarter leads. That was true before and after Durant left. Durant's last season in OKC, they lost a league worst 15 games when leading in the 4th quarter. The one common denominator - Westrook 4th quarter "hero" ball. He forces u bad shots, freezes out his better shooting, more efficient teammates and turns the ball over at a ridiculous rate in the 4th quarter of close games. He simply tries to do too much.

Classic Westbrook with the game on the line:

BNM

 

[KingSpeed]

Classic Westbrook with the game on the line:

BNM

LMAO!!!!

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Horford is good but I wouldnt put him in my top 10 (or all that close to it). Its easy to go find highlights or lowlights of just about any player. Its weird how no ones posting WB making a clutch shot which yes Ive seen it happen, and Horford missing a shot in the clutch which Ive also seen happen.

If you want to put or not put a player on your top 10 list thats fine, its your list. In Terms of Horford he plays the incredibly important glue man type for Boston, the do a little bit of everything guy, like Draymond does for GS. He’s very good in that role.

 

[Boob-No-More]

LMAO!!!!

I like the fan that holds up the "3 sign" on the airball. Come on dude, it's Westbrook. He shot .298 from 3 last season, That's like holding up the "3 sign" when Evan Turner lets one fly. Actually, it's worse. Turner shot .318 from down town last season.

BNM

 

[andalusian]

I'll see your #sigh and raise you #harumph. For the last seven seasons, OKC has consistently been one of the two worst teams in the league when it comes to blowing 4th quarter leads. That was true before and after Durant left. Durant's last season in OKC, they lost a league worst 15 games when leading in the 4th quarter. The one common denominator - Westrook 4th quarter "hero" ball. He forces u bad shots, freezes out his better shooting, more efficient teammates and turns the ball over at a ridiculous rate in the 4th quarter of close games. He simply tries to do too much.

Classic Westbrook with the game on the line:

Look at http://www.nbaminer.com/clutch-time-stats/ for verification:

Last year, OKC have been in 68 games in clutch situations. In these games RW took 119 shots and made 47 of them (39.5%) which is 5% worse than his normal FG%

In comparison, POR had been in 61 such games, Lillard took 71 shoots, made 34 of them (47.9%) which is 3.5% better than his normal FG%

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Look at http://www.nbaminer.com/clutch-time-stats/ for verification:

Last year, OKC have been in 68 games in clutch situations. In these games RW took 119 shots and made 47 of them (39.5%) which is 5% worse than his normal FG%

In comparison, POR had been in 61 such games, Lillard took 71 shoots, made 34 of them (47.9%) which is 3.5% better than his normal FG%

I dont think anyone would argue that WB is a better clutch player than Dame though.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I dont think anyone would argue that WB is a better clutch player than Dame though.

And if you're not better when it matters, are you really better?

The fanbois love them triple-doubles, but personally, I prefer wins. Westbrook has been costing his team wins for years. Like I have said many times, he's talented enough to keep them in most games, but has a real knack for pissing them away at the end. And, it's not like he's hasn't had good teammates. He's been surrounded by other stars and superstars for most of his career. He just constantly freezes them out in the 4th quarter of close games.

Notice how Dame only called his own number 71 times in those 61 games, while Westbrook called his own number 119 times in 68 games? And, that doesn't even include all the unforced TOVs, stupid fouls and missed FTs.

BNM

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

And if you're not better when it matters, are you really better?

The fanbois love them triple-doubles, but personally, I prefer wins. Westbrook has been costing his team wins for years. Like I have said many times, he's talented enough to keep them in most games, but has a real knack for pissing them away at the end. And, it's not like he's hasn't had good teammates. He's been surrounded by other stars and superstars for most of his career. He just constantly freezes them out in the 4th quarter of close games.

Notice how Dame only called his own number 71 times in those 61 games, while Westbrook called his own number 119 times in 68 games? And, that doesn't even include all the unforced TOVs, stupid fouls and missed FTs.

BNM

The whole game matters though. Its not like only 2 minutes of a 48 minute game is the only part that counts. I bet at leadt 25 teams would straight up trade their starting pg for WB. The other ones have guys like cp3, Dame and Curry on their rosters.

Im not even WB fan, I just think he’s a unique talent. Were lucky to have Dame and I’d take Dame over WB at this point, but WB is still one heck of a player.

 

[Boob-No-More]

The whole game matters though. Its not like only 2 minutes of a 48 minute game is the only part that counts. I bet at leadt 25 teams would straight up trade their starting pg for WB. The other ones have guys like cp3, Dame and Curry on their rosters.

Im not even WB fan, I just think he’s a unique talent. Were lucky to have Dame and I’d take Dame over WB at this point, but WB is still one heck of a player.

Of course, it matters, but Russ pads his stats and then reverts to hero ball in the 4th quarter of close games. He's more concerned about his own numbers than he is about winning.

So yeah, he's better than most, but not as good as the faonbois want to believe. No way in hell would I ever take him over Dame. Yet, SI listed him at the 7th best player in the league and Dame as 15th best. At least the people who vote for MVP and All NBA finally got that right (although Westbrook should have also been behind Giannis, Durant and Curry in MVP voting):





BNM