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[magnifier661]

Isn't this what I said?

Only thing I didn't mention was Hickson. Why do you think Hickson and cap space doesn't matter? How do we have his bird rights?

We own his bird rights because we picked him up off of waivers. It's the Gilbert Arenas rule. I didn't quite understand your post. I thought you said something different. I apologize.

 

[Masbee]

We own his bird rights because we picked him up off of waivers. It's the Gilbert Arenas rule. I didn't quite understand your post. I thought you said something different. I apologize.

What is his cap hold?

Without his cap hold, we would have as little as $15mil in cap space this summer even if Crawford doesn't opt in.

If the team wants to make a MAX offer to Deron and keep the bird rights to Batum and JJ, they are going to have to make a move to shed more salary I think.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

We own his bird rights because we picked him up off of waivers. It's the Gilbert Arenas rule. I didn't quite understand your post. I thought you said something different. I apologize.

Problem is Mags, the $18M cap space figure was calculated prior to picking Hickson up off waivers. To keep Hickson's bird rights, we'll need to tender the QO, generating a $5.8M cap hold. That will reduce our available cap space, making it impossible to offer a max deal to Deron.

Absent some other asset being traded away, we can't keep Batum & Hickson and also offer a max deal to Deron. The numbers just don't work.

 

[cdub503]

Get/Keep:

D.Williams
L.Aldridge
N.Batum
E.Williams
J.Pryzbilla
J.Freeland
JJ.Hickson

Trading the two lottery picks will get us another HUGE piece to contend next year.

Could we trade the two picks for a SG like Eric Gordon? Or maybe get a PG/SG like curry? Pending how his ankle is.

 

[magnifier661]

Could we trade the two picks for a SG like Eric Gordon? Or maybe get a PG/SG like curry? Pending how his ankle is.

I like Gordon and Curry; but both had injury problems. I worry about using our future for players that are good, but injuries will be an issue. What if Gordon only has 30-40 games a season? How terrible would that be?

 

[cdub503]

Then you have E. will step in. Or Babbitt. Because I'm sure the great white hope will still be here too

 

[BlayZa]

i may be in the minority here, but i really dont think Nic is really worth more than 5-6M py, there have been flashes of brilliance but everyone seems to have them at somepoint.
i just hope management doesnt panic and overpay him and we're left with just the same NB we've seen.... im kinda over us committing major $ to 'potential' is just bullshit and never works for us

 

[Sinobas]

i may be in the minority here, but i really dont think Nic is really worth more than 5-6M py, there have been flashes of brilliance but everyone seems to have them at somepoint.
i just hope management doesnt panic and overpay him and we're left with just the same NB we've seen.... im kinda over us committing major $ to 'potential' is just bullshit and never works for us

I agree, Nic has had a lot of time to distinguish himself, but he's just shown himself to be an average player. I also think we shold try to offload Wesley Matthews contract. Use Batum and Matthew's $ to get a star. Better to have a star and a scrub than 2 mediocre players.

 

[Harry's Raincoat]

If DWill signs early, then we should trade a 1st Round Pick and Matthews to OKC for Harden. Saves them money, gives them back a solid 6th man in Wes, and a low cost lotto pick for 4 years on the cheap.
It gives us one of the best SG's in the league and the best at getting to the line.
Then, re-sign Batum and Hickson and figure out someone for "post" next to Aldridge.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If DWill signs early, then we should trade a 1st Round Pick and Matthews to OKC for Harden. Saves them money, gives them back a solid 6th man in Wes, and a low cost lotto pick for 4 years on the cheap.
It gives us one of the best SG's in the league and the best at getting to the line.
Then, re-sign Batum and Hickson and figure out someone for "post" next to Aldridge.

Nice as that would be, OKC won't be trading Harden in division. I'd probably do the same deal for Iguodala though.

 

[magnifier661]

Nice as that would be, OKC won't be trading Harden in division. I'd probably do the same deal for Iguodala though.

Man getting Igs and Williams?! That would be an epic move. The back court would be soooooooo solid. I wonder if that could happen?

Starting line-up of: PG: Williams, SG: Igs, SF: Batum, PF: Aldridge, Center: Hickson is way deadly. Then the trade for Matthews would free up more time for E Will. Babbitt can play SF/PF. Pryzbilla: Back-up Center (5-10 minutes), Thomas: Back-up PF/C (5-10 minutes). Craig Smith: Back-up PF (5-10 minutes). Flynn or Smith as the back-up point. That would be a solid team!

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Man getting Igs and Williams?! That would be an epic move. The back court would be soooooooo solid. I wonder if that could happen?

Starting line-up of: PG: Williams, SG: Igs, SF: Batum, PF: Aldridge, Center: Hickson is way deadly. Then the trade for Matthews would free up more time for E Will. Babbitt can play SF/PF. Pryzbilla: Back-up Center (5-10 minutes), Thomas: Back-up PF/C (5-10 minutes). Craig Smith: Back-up PF (5-10 minutes). Flynn or Smith as the back-up point. That would be a solid team!

No, that wouldn't be possible. With both Batum's & Hickson's cap holds, we don't have enough cap room to offer a max deal. We could have that lineup with Dragic, possibly, but not Deron.

 

[magnifier661]

No, that wouldn't be possible. With both Batum's & Hickson's cap holds, we don't have enough cap room to offer a max deal. We could have that lineup with Dragic, possibly, but not Deron.

What do you mean? We don't need cap space to do the Igs trade. I thought we have 18 mil free; even with the cap holds on Hickson, the picks and Batum. And if we do the Igs deal during draft night; then we won't have the cap hold on one of the picks. It maybe a good idea to do the Igs deal first, because it could entice Williams to come. It may take Matthews, Nolan Smith and the best first rounder to get it done though.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

What do you mean? We don't need cap space to do the Igs trade.

But we need cap space to sign Deron, which is what you were asking about. We won't be able to offer a max deal to Deron if we keep Hickson. The 18M figure was before we picked up Hickson.

 

[Mediocre Man]

But we need cap space to sign Deron, which is what you were asking about. We won't be able to offer a max deal to Deron if we keep Hickson. The 18M figure was before we picked up Hickson.

I am really bad at CBA stuff, but wouldn't we be able to keep Hickson and Batum if we signed Williams first? Don't we hold their Bird rights? Not that I want to sign Williams anymore

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I am really bad at CBA stuff, but wouldn't we be able to keep Hickson and Batum if we signed Williams first? Don't we hold their Bird rights? Not that I want to sign Williams anymore

Sure, but their bird-rights generate cap holds, of 5.4M for Batum and 5.8M for Hickson. Retaining those rights reduces our available cap space.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Sure, but their bird-rights generate cap holds, of 5.4M for Batum and 5.8M for Hickson. Retaining those rights reduces our available cap space.

And with the cap holds for two lottery picks.....I get it

 

[magnifier661]

But we need cap space to sign Deron, which is what you were asking about. We won't be able to offer a max deal to Deron if we keep Hickson.

This blog gives a good break down on the salary.

Draft pick cap holds are:

- For the simulation Portland gets the #5, #10, #39, #42 picks in the draft.

Portland has a long ways to go from where they are right now in order to contend for a title. So we have lots of work.

Since the salary cap, issue is complex I will break things down for you.

First Portland would have a cap hold for their two first round picks this year.

#5 $2,812,200

#10 $1,865,300

That is $4,677,500 in tied up cap space.

In addition, Portland has a cap hold of $40,540,975 from J. Pryzbilla, H. Thabeet, R. Felton, J. Flynn, N. Batum, and JJ.Hickson.

-Portland also has $27,128,290 tied up in L. Aldridge, W. Matthews, L. Babbit, N. Smith, E. Williams, C. Smith and K. Thomas. Note Sarah Hecht has suggested that K. Thomas or C. Smith is under contract for next year. If she were correct, that would free up an additional $2,422,090. However, that amount is likely to be spent buying out S. Williams this off-season. So the numbers for my simulation are not likely to change.

-S. Williams has a Player Option for $3,135,000

-J. Crawford has a Player Option for $5,225,000 if both options are exercised Portland 2012-2013 salaries would be $35,488,290. Add in the Cap holds for the 1st round picks and Portland is at $40,165,790. Things get even worse if you add in the cap holds from our current free agents. That would mean Portland is looking at a team salary of $80,706,765. In other words zero cap room. So obviously we have some work to do in order to sign some free agents that our not our own.

-Note Portland also has to factor in $1,045,600 to their cap for V. Claver and $850,800 for J. Freedland unless Portland renounces their rights to them. They do not count against the cap during the season but do for Free Agency.

So you are correct. We would have to renounce JJ Hickson to offer a max contract to Deron Williams. Maybe Dragic is a better answer?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

This blog gives a good break down on the salary.

Draft pick cap holds are:



So you are correct. We would have to renounce JJ Hickson to offer a max contract to Deron Williams. Maybe Dragic is a better answer?

Possibly, and I wouldn't be opposed to that, especially if we can swing a Matthews+pick for Iguodala deal.

 

[Mediocre Man]

This blog gives a good break down on the salary.

Draft pick cap holds are:



So you are correct. We would have to renounce JJ Hickson to offer a max contract to Deron Williams. Maybe Dragic is a better answer?

If you read the science, Dragic is a much better option. I was opposed to it yesterday, but now it makes way more sense

 

[magnifier661]

I was looking at the trade machine and we would need Our first rounder, Babbitt, Nolan Smith and Matthews for Igs.

 

[magnifier661]

If you read the science, Dragic is a much better option. I was opposed to it yesterday, but now it makes way more sense

Yeah if there is an opportunity to get Igs, keep Hickson and Sign Dragic; then it's better than Williams and a released Hickson.

 

[e_blazer]

There is the possibility of doing a sign-and-trade with the Nets for Williams, in the unlikely event that he decides really wants to play here. If it looks like he's going to leave them high and dry, the Nets would probably be open to some sort of a trade that gave them some value back for Williams. Who knows, there could even be some sort of a handshake agreement that the Nets get their 1st round pick back from the Blazers along with a player or two to make the numbers work. The salaries wouldn't have to match exactly, since the Blazers would be under the cap.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I was looking at the trade machine and we would need Our first rounder, Babbitt, Nolan Smith and Matthews for Igs.

At present, sure. After July 1st, we'll have cap space, so we could make a Matthews+pick for Iggy deal straight up.

Crap--didn't realize he was at $14M! for some reason, I thought he was only 11. That deal would eat up half our space.

 

[magnifier661]

At present, sure. After July 1st, we'll have cap space, so we could make a Matthews+pick for Iggy deal straight up.

Yeah but usually when picks are traded; they are usually done on draft night. That way the team getting the pick can either pick the player they want, or trade it for another player.

 

[magnifier661]

If you offer a "Front loaded" contract to Dragic; I think it gets done. Maybe 11 mil 1st, 9 mil second, 8 mil third and 8 mil 4th as a (player option) = 4 years 36 mil.

 

[magnifier661]

The more I think about the possibility of getting a wing like Igs; while being able to still offer a player like Dragic money seems like a great deal. We would still have the opportunity to keep Hickson; whom I believe can be an answer at starting PF. I truly believe Aldridge can play center; while Hickson plays PF.

A starting core of Dragic, Batum, Igs, Hickson and Aldridge has offense at every position. Batum, Aldridge and Igs are all defensive guys.