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Minstrel said:
Pretty much everything I've seen on nutrition contradicts that. Vegetables have more vitamins, reduce risks of things like cancer and heart disease, and don't contain the high levels of cholesterol that meat does.
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Since we're speaking here of a vegetable diet INSTEAD of a balanced, natural diet including vegetables and meat, this is incorrect.

There are vitamins such as the B vitamins, iron, calcium and proteins which are not present in or cannot be absorbed in sufficient quantities from vegetables. Many vegans rely heavily on soy products for protein, but soy lacks 2 essential amino acids, and causes sterility in men and certain cancers.

Most strict vegans experience loss of memory, confusion, loss of muscle mass, osteoporosis, kidney and liver problems...from deficiencies, and from unhealthy processed meat and dairy substitutes such as soy protein, margarine...and they tend to become obese and diabetic as they rely heavily on carbohydrates to curb the hunger pangs from not eating meat.

The best diet includes a balance of meat, fish, vegetables, grains, fruit and nuts.

And of course, CHOCOLATE!
 
Yo, this thread is fucking crazy. Went from some crazy hoe talking about KingSpeed to Gay Marriage to Vegetarianism.

Thread of the Year right hurr.
 
MARIS61 said:
Most strict vegans experience loss of memory, confusion, loss of muscle mass, osteoporosis, kidney and liver problems...from deficiencies, and from unhealthy processed meat and dairy substitutes such as soy protein, margarine...and they tend to become obese and diabetic as they rely heavily on carbohydrates to curb the hunger pangs from not eating meat.
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This is only true in societies like ours that have historically eaten meat, so have not developed a proper vegetarian cuisine. Cultures like India have a long tradition of vegetarian cuisine and have developed a diet that is perfectly balanced and healthy without meat.

When you go vegetarian in a society where "vegetarian" means salad, salad and more salad, then yes, it's unhealthy. If one develops a proper diet (which would include nuts and grains), one can be vegetarian and entirely healthy.

I am not vegetarian, and am not arguing for or against anyone becoming vegetarian. But I've definitely read that vegetarianism in cultures that have a tradition of it is as healthy as a diet including meat (and more healthy than a diet including lots of meat).
 
KingSpeed said:
I don't get it.
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Pwn is a leetspeak slang term that implies domination or humiliation of a rival, used primarily in the Internet gaming culture to taunt an ...
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What is leetspeak? Is that some vegetarian slang word or something?
 
HispanicCausinPanic said:
What is leetspeak? Is that some vegetarian slang word or something?
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From wiki

Leetspeak, is an alphabet used primarily on the Internet, which uses various combinations of ASCII characters to replace Latinate letters. The term is derived from the word "elite", and the usage it describes is a specialized form of symbolic writing. Different dialects of leet are found on different online forums.

Example sentence: L337 15 n07 4 c0mm0n 1n73rn37 5p34k 4m0n9 r34l h4x0r
 
dpc said:
From wiki

Leetspeak, is an alphabet used primarily on the Internet, which uses various combinations of ASCII characters to replace Latinate letters. The term is derived from the word "elite", and the usage it describes is a specialized form of symbolic writing. Different dialects of leet are found on different online forums.

Example sentence: L337 15 n07 4 c0mm0n 1n73rn37 5p34k 4m0n9 r34l h4x0r
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Why thanks for the compliment dpc!

Let me try- DaRizzle is a @$^)#$*^^%#**!

KingSpeed is a (%#@$^&**&%$#

Cool, I like this!
 
I said that you are a lazy ball sack of a Laker fan! By the way, I'm recording the Laker v Bulls game tomorrow night so I can watch it when we get home from SF! Go Bulls!
 
Minstrel said:
This is only true in societies like ours that have historically eaten meat, so have not developed a proper vegetarian cuisine. Cultures like India have a long tradition of vegetarian cuisine and have developed a diet that is perfectly balanced and healthy without meat.

When you go vegetarian in a society where "vegetarian" means salad, salad and more salad, then yes, it's unhealthy. If one develops a proper diet (which would include nuts and grains), one can be vegetarian and entirely healthy.

I am not vegetarian, and am not arguing for or against anyone becoming vegetarian. But I've definitely read that vegetarianism in cultures that have a tradition of it is as healthy as a diet including meat (and more healthy than a diet including lots of meat).
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Not according to a quick search of Nutritional experts:

Roughly half of the population in India (your example) is dangerously aenemic, due to lack of meat and dairy products in their diet.

http://www.nfhsindia.org/data/india/indch7.pdf


http://www.health.harvard.edu/press_releases/vitamin_b12_deficiency.htm

In fact, B12 deficiency is the most common nutritional deficiency in the developing world and possibly in the United States as well, reports the August issue of the Harvard Health Letter.

Sometimes the only symptoms of a B12 deficiency are subtle cognitive and neurological changes. More serious shortages can result in dementia or anemia. Breast-fed infants of mothers with a B12 deficiency are at risk for severe developmental abnormalities and irreversible neurological damage.

Vegans (people who don’t eat any meat, dairy, or eggs) are most at risk for developing a B12 deficiency because, aside from fortified breakfast cereals, the only reliable dietary sources of vitamin B12 are animal-derived products. But even vegetarians who eat eggs and dairy products consume, on average, less than half the adult Recommended Dietary Allowance of 2.4 mcg of B12, notes the Health Letter.

http://www.thelancetstudent.com/category/articles/nutritional-deficiencies

The WHO recognises that iron deficiency is in fact the commonest nutritional disorder worldwide. An astounding 2000 million people, a third of the world’s population, are anaemic, and at least half due to iron deficiency.

http://www.stewartnutrition.co.uk/n...ce_of_nutritional_deficiencies_worldwide.html

It is estimated that vitamin and mineral deficiencies affect at least one third of the world’s population. They are much more prevalent in developing countries but are not unknown in developed countries and knowledge of them is of importance to those in developed countries for the following reasons:

Many of the first descriptions of severe nutrient deficiency were first seen in those living in undeveloped countries and this lead to their recognition in those living in developed countries.

Less than a century ago many deficiencies that are prevalent in undeveloped regions were also commonplace in the UK population and could return if economic, agricultural or environmental circumstances were to change adversely.

The worst-fed 10% of UK population have intakes of many nutrients that are similar to those in undeveloped countries where deficiencies in such nutrients are commonplace.

Lessons learnt about the impact, detection, treatment and prevention of vitamin and mineral deficiencies in undeveloped countries have importance for us in developed countries both at the level of treating individuals as well as at-risk populations.
 
Quick notes:

1. Vegans are vegans primarily due to what they feel are ethical concerns with "animal rights", and consideration of proper nutrition has little to do with their decision to avoid animal byproducts.

2. "Moderation in everything, and everything in moderation" is a good general rule to follow in your diet.

3. I'm going Elk hunting Saturday.
 
That's about vegans. I'm referring to vegetarians, who can eat dairy.

In addition, vegans can always take a B12 supplement. Veganism wouldn't have been healthy in the past; in modern society, one can take a dietary supplment to address B12.
 
So, I am sorry but I have not figured out Zack Addys name on this board. what is it?
 
Minstrel said:
That's about vegans. I'm referring to vegetarians, who can eat dairy.

In addition, vegans can always take a B12 supplement. Veganism wouldn't have been healthy in the past; in modern society, one can take a dietary supplment to address B12.
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A vegetarian who eats dairy is like a Blazers Fan who roots for the Lakers. He's NOT a vegetarian.

A recent study I read in yesterdays paper of vitamins A and E, funded by vitamin companies, showed supplements are poorly absorbed by the body to the point of being practically useless. It also showed A and E supplements were not helpful in preventing cancers.

Manufactured foods such as soy protein are also poorly absorbed and carry other health risks.

Better to get nutrition from the source.
 
Guess he didn't read your info under your avatar:

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Beverly Hills
 
MARIS61 said:
A vegetarian who eats dairy is like a Blazers Fan who roots for the Lakers. He's NOT a vegetarian.

A recent study I read in yesterdays paper of vitamins A and E, funded by vitamin companies, showed supplements are poorly absorbed by the body to the point of being practically useless. It also showed A and E supplements were not helpful in preventing cancers.

Manufactured foods such as soy protein are also poorly absorbed and carry other health risks.

Better to get nutrition from the source.
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Wait, what? I think you're mistaking a vegetarian for a vegan. Vegetarians, for the most part, can absolutely have dairy.
 
Miksaid said:
Wait, what? I think you're mistaking a vegetarian for a vegan. Vegetarians, for the most part, can absolutely have dairy.
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:crazy:

I'd be interested in knowing what vegetable milk, cheese and eggs come from?:confused:

I'm faily certain they come from animals (meat).

Otherwise, people like myself who eat meat (along with their vegetables) every day, would be called vegetarians.

Some people call themselves vegetarians, but they are liars if they eat dairy, or fish, or fowl...

Technically they are lying if they eat fruit or nuts.

They should just not label themselves and save the embarrassment.
 
MARIS61 said:
:crazy:

I'd be interested in knowing what vegetable milk, cheese and eggs come from?:confused:

I'm faily certain they come from animals (meat).

Otherwise, people like myself who eat meat (along with their vegetables) every day, would be called vegetarians.

Some people call themselves vegetarians, but they are liars if they eat dairy, or fish, or fowl...

Technically they are lying if they eat fruit or nuts.

They should just not label themselves and save the embarrassment.
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Im sorry but you are wrong Vegetarians dont eat meat and Vegans dont consume any animal product
 
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