Zimmerman Case - Lightning Rod

[Denny Crane]

Wow! That is a pathetic statement. Read the Constitution fella. Start with the 10th amendment for a short cut.

You are allowed to defend yourself in every state I think, Oregon for sure (besides Florida).

You read the constitution. It says the feds get to run the courts.

 

[Denny Crane]

I am not the one making ridiculous statements unsupported by any evidence.

You are making a silly argument. It's not that they're going to kill by the thousands. It's that they're going to kill enough to intimidate.

 

[Masbee]

You are making a silly argument. It's not that they're going to kill by the thousands. It's that they're going to kill enough to intimidate.

fucking ridiculous.

What proof do you have for this?

Who is "they"?

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Re: Zimmerman Case - Lightening Rod

I didnt write it to satisfy your nice guy defintions Martin wasnt a nice guy he was a wanna be crook with violent intentions

all right, be that guy. how was he a wanna be crook? how did he have violent intentions?

 

[Sedatedfork]

Zimmerman may or may not be a murderer, but he certainly ain't no hero. What kind of twisted narrative are you trying to sell?

 

[PapaG]

PapaG has the personality of someone that would be a part of the Westboro Baptist Church.

A middle-aged man filled with irrational hatred that gets his rocks off using hate speech. At least the West Baptist Church doesn't hide behind a computer screen.

Absolutely embarrassing display in this thread.

It was embarrassing, as were the posts of many others.

I don't hide behind a computer screen, either. I know plenty of posters here by name. Do you???

 

[PapaG]

In 2010 race-related beating case, George Zimmerman pushed to discipline same officers who investigated Trayvon Martin shooting

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/04/z...o-investigated-martin-shooting/#ixzz2Z4SeVrC6

Still, according to members of the Zimmerman family, George printed and distributed copies of fliers on bright fluorescent-colored paper demanding that the community “hold accountable” officers responsible for any misconduct. TheDC has obtained a copy of one of those fliers.

“Do you know the individual that stepped up when no one else in the black community would?” the Zimmerman family member asked in the letter to the NAACP’s Clayton.

“Do you know who spent tireless hours putting fliers on the cars of persons parked in the churches of the black community? Do you know who waited for the church‐goers to get out of church so that he could hand them fliers in an attempt to organize the black community against this horrible miscarriage of justice? Do you know who helped organize the City Hall meeting on January 8th, 2011 at Sanford City Hall??”

“That person was GEORGE ZIMMERMAN,” the letter insisted. “Ironic isn’t it?”

Every Sunday, according to his family, Zimmerman would stroll through Sanford’s black neighborhoods handing out the fliers demanding justice for Sherman Ware, and calling for the police to hold their own officials accountable. Zimmerman would also place the fliers on people’s cars outside churches.



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/04/z...o-investigated-martin-shooting/#ixzz2Z4Spdp5X

 

[MarAzul]

You read the constitution. It says the feds get to run the courts.

Oh man! Ok we are done here. Any thing that dumb can only be countered by whacking the messenger. And that will only get me the Sly treatment.

 

[Denny Crane]

fucking ridiculous.

What proof do you have for this?

Who is "they"?

The "they" because of whom the civil rights act of 1965 was enacted.

 

[Denny Crane]

Oh man! Ok we are done here. Any thing that dumb can only be countered by whacking the messenger. And that will only get me the Sly treatment.

Shoot Madison. He got it right.

Section. 8.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

...


To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

AND

Article. VI.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Shoot Madison. He got it right.

Section. 8.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

...


To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

AND

Article. VI.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

He must have meant the articles of confederation or something without a supremacy clause.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Oh man! Ok we are done here. Any thing that dumb can only be countered by whacking the messenger. And that will only get me the Sly treatment.

LOL! Really Marazul? You're a smart guy, you can't disagree with someone without insulting them? Hell, you could even say, "that is a fucked up opinion you have." Or you could say something like, "if I saw you walking down the street in my neighborhood I would get you to punch me and then I would shoot you!"

 

[MarAzul]

Shoot Madison. He got it right.

Section. 8.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

...


To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

AND

Article. VI.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

Oregon Statute law as provided for by the 10th amendment (even southern states).

161.209 Use of physical force in defense of a person. Except as provided in ORS 161.215 and 161.219, a person is justified in using physical force upon another person for self-defense or to defend a third person from what the person reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful physical force, and the person may use a degree of force which the person reasonably believes to be necessary for the purpose. [1971 c.743 §22]

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...-there-racial-bias-in-stand-your-ground-laws/

 

[MarAzul]

LOL! Really Marazul? You're a smart guy, you can't disagree with someone without insulting them? Hell, you could even say, "that is a fucked up opinion you have." Or you could say something like, "if I saw you walking down the street in my neighborhood I would get you to punch me and then I would shoot you!"

Good evening Sly, nice to see you perky. It's all good unless I offer to pray for him, heh? Then I feel you are obligated to tell why, and that's usually personal.

 

[MARIS61]

so so so wait. I just watched that Obama video. Saying "if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon" is an attempt to divide the country on racial lines? To me, he's commiserating with the family and pointing out that this wasn't gang violence, so we as a country shouldn't ignore it.

So you saw it as Obama saying we should ignore all gang-related violence, but pile on a law-abiding victim who is forced to defend himself while being attacked trying to guard his neighbors from gang violence?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Good evening Sly, nice to see you perky. It's all good unless I offer to pray for him, heh? Then I feel you are obligated to tell why, and that's usually personal.

You can pray for or prey on Denny. I have no problem with either.

 

[Denny Crane]

Oregon's laws are trumped by federal law. The 10th applies to things not enumerated in the document, but there are all sorts of powers related to the law, this law.

The 13th requires equal protection under the law. States can't make up their own laws to get around it.

The fifth requires no Person be deprived of Life, Liberty, or Property without Due Process. Martin was not given due process before his state sanctioned execution.

Those are just a couple of monkey wrenches in your theory.

 

[MARIS61]

The supreme law of all outweighs any written by man, and that's the law of survival. When threatened the primary goal is to erase the threat. If someone has a problem with that later, at least you'll be alive to hire a lawyer.

Someone who physically attacks me or mine, or convincingly threatens to do so, is demanding to be killed.

 

[MARIS61]

yeah..he has fractured thius country alnog many lines, young vs old, poor vs wealthy, etc, race is a given...

You can't fracture something that never existed. The "United" States has always been a suggestion, not a fact.

 

[MarAzul]

Oregon's laws are trumped by federal law. The 10th applies to things not enumerated in the document, but there are all sorts of powers related to the law, this law.

The 13th requires equal protection under the law. States can't make up their own laws to get around it.

The fifth requires no Person be deprived of Life, Liberty, or Property without Due Process. Martin was not given due process before his state sanctioned execution.

Those are just a couple of monkey wrenches in your theory.

Oh come now! Use some logic, Oregon has a statute allowing the right of self protection (and those you protect), so does Florida. I would imagine every state does. What the hell kind of
place would it be that didn't permit the right take action for self defense? Illogical!

 

[PapaG]

Oregon's laws are trumped by federal law. The 10th applies to things not enumerated in the document, but there are all sorts of powers related to the law, this law.

The 13th requires equal protection under the law. States can't make up their own laws to get around it.

The fifth requires no Person be deprived of Life, Liberty, or Property without Due Process. Martin was not given due process before his state sanctioned execution.

Those are just a couple of monkey wrenches in your theory.

So wrong

 

[MarAzul]

Oregon's laws are trumped by federal law. The 10th applies to things not enumerated in the document, but there are all sorts of powers related to the law, this law.

The 13th requires equal protection under the law. States can't make up their own laws to get around it.

The fifth requires no Person be deprived of Life, Liberty, or Property without Due Process. Martin was not given due process before his state sanctioned execution.


Those are just a couple of monkey wrenches in your theory.

The equal protection clause is in the 14th amendment not the 13th.
And the self defense statutes apply equally so there is no violation.

 

[Denny Crane]

The equal protection clause is in the 14th amendment not the 13th.
And the self defense statutes apply equally so there is no violation.

Typo.

The rest stands.

Go read the Frontline link I posted earlier.

A poll tax, using your logic, applies equally, right?

 

[Denny Crane]

Oh come now! Use some logic, Oregon has a statute allowing the right of self protection (and those you protect), so does Florida. I would imagine every state does. What the hell kind of
place would it be that didn't permit the right take action for self defense? Illogical!

They do, which is fine.

It's a very different thing to grant broad indemnity or immunity from prosecution. The law you cited must be litigated in court.

 

[Sinobas]

The media turned this into a hot racial item from the start. Two men getting into a scuffle, and one pulling a gun to shot the other wouldn't be such a huge, ongoing national storyl. But a "racist" shooting a little black boy with skittles..now you've got a Rodney King level news story. Notice how the media didn't show pictures of the 17 year old Trayvon, but a pic of him much younger. This was to incite more anger.

Zimmerman was already convicted in many people's minds from the start, thanks to the media coverage. And how many of those who want to lynch him sat through the hours of evidence, presented in the court of law? If Trayvon was indeed bashing his head against the concrete, then Zimmerman had the right to shoot in self defense.

Perhaps what Zimmerman did was unwise, in approaching Trayvon, but Trayvon apparantly escalated it to violence. This is why it's good to avoid fights rather than trying to act like a macho man.

 

[Sinobas]

Oregon's laws are trumped by federal law. The 10th applies to things not enumerated in the document, but there are all sorts of powers related to the law, this law.

The 13th requires equal protection under the law. States can't make up their own laws to get around it.

The fifth requires no Person be deprived of Life, Liberty, or Property without Due Process. Martin was not given due process before his state sanctioned execution.

Those are just a couple of monkey wrenches in your theory.

Stupidest. Post. Ever. I don't even know where to start....

 

[BigGameDamian]

http://news.yahoo.com/rallies-large-small-zimmerman-verdict-231947267.html

NEW YORK (AP) — With chants and prayers, sermons and signs, outrage over a jury's decision to clear George Zimmerman in the shooting of an unarmed black teenager poured from street protests and church pulpits Sunday amid calls for federal civil rights charges to be filed in the case.

Demonstrations large and small broke out across the country — ranging from a few dozen more than a thousand — in support of the family of Trayvon Martin as protesters decried the not guilty verdict as a miscarriage of justice.

The NAACP and protesters called for federal civil rights charges against Zimmerman, who was acquitted Saturday in Martin's February 2012 shooting death, which unleashed a national debate over racial profiling, self-defense and equal justice.

The Justice Department said it is looking into the case to determine whether federal prosecutors should file criminal civil rights charges now that Zimmerman has been acquitted in the state case. Meanwhile, President Barack Obama and religious and civil rights leaders urged calm in hopes of ensuring peaceful demonstrations in the wake of a case that became an emotional flash point.

In New York City, hundreds of protesters marched into Times Square on Sunday night, zigzagging through Manhattan's streets to avoid police lines. Sign-carrying marchers thronged the busy intersection, chanting "Justice for! Trayvon Martin!" as they made their way from Union Square, blocking traffic for more than an hour before moving on.
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In San Francisco and Los Angeles — where an earlier protest was dispersed with beanbag rounds — police closed streets as protesters marched Sunday to condemn Zimmerman's acquittal.

Rand Powdrill, 41, of San Leandro, said he came to the San Francisco march with about 400 others to "protest the execution of an innocent black teenager."

"If our voices can't be heard, then this is just going to keep going on," he said.

Earlier, at Manhattan's Middle Collegiate Church, many congregants wore hooded sweatshirts — the same thing Martin was wearing the night he was shot — in a show of solidarity. Hoodie-clad Jessica Nacinovich said she could only feel disappointment and sadness over the verdict.

"I'm sure jurors did what they felt was right in accordance with the law but maybe the law is wrong, maybe society is wrong; there's a lot that needs fixing," she said.
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At a youth service in Sanford, Fla., where the trial was held, teens wearing shirts displaying Martin's picture wiped away tears during a sermon at the St. Paul Missionary Baptist Church.

About 200 people turned out for a rally and march in downtown Chicago, saying the verdict was symbolic of lingering racism in the United States. Seventy-three-year-old Maya Miller said the case reminded her of the 1955 slaying of Emmitt Till, a 14-year-old from Chicago who was murdered by a group of white men while visiting Mississippi. Till's killing galvanized the civil rights movement.

"Fifty-eight years and nothing's changed," Miller said, pausing to join a chant to "Justice for Trayvon, not one more."

Protesters also gathered in Miami, Philadelphia and Washington, D.C along with a host of other cities.

In Miami, more than 200 people gathered for a vigil. "You can't justify murder," read one poster. Another read "Don't worry about more riots. Worry about more Zimmermans."
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Carol Reitner, 76, of Miami, said she heard about the vigil through an announcement at her church Sunday morning. "I was really devastated. It's really hard to believe that someone can take the life of someone else and walk out of court free," she said.

In Philadelphia, about 700 protesters marched from LOVE Park to the Liberty Bell, alternating between chanting Trayvon Martin's name and "No justice, no peace!"

"We hope this will begin a movement to end discrimination against young black men," said Johnathan Cooper, one of the protest's organizers. "And also to empower black people and get them involved in the system."

Earlier Sunday, hundreds gathered in Union Square in New York City to voice their passions over the verdict, hoisting placards with images of Martin.

Some tempered their anger, saying they didn't contest the jury's decision based on the legal issues involved.
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But "while the verdict may be legal, a system that doesn't take into account what happened is a broken legal system," said Jennifer Lue, 24.

Nineteen-year-old Octavia McMahon came from the Bronx to march with her mother and five siblings, carrying signs they made after learning of the verdict. She called the protests an emotional experience.

"I'm really happy that so many people showed support because it's not just one person. It's all of us as one."

Civil rights leaders, including the Revs. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, urged peace in the wake of the verdict. Jackson said the legal system "failed justice," but violence isn't the answer.

But not all the protesters heeded those calls in the demonstrations that broke out immediately after the verdict.
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In Oakland, Calif., some angry demonstrators broke windows, burned U.S. flags and started street fires. Some marchers also vandalized a police squad car and used spray paint to scrawl anti-police graffiti on roads and Alameda County's Davidson courthouse. In Los Angeles, police said a crowd of about 100 protesters surrounded an officer and eventually had to be dispersed by officers firing beanbag rounds.

 

[MARIS61]

http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/us/2010/07/09/riots-break-oakland/#slide=1

 

[Denny Crane]

http://news.yahoo.com/rallies-large-small-zimmerman-verdict-231947267.html

NEW YORK (AP) — With chants and prayers, sermons and signs, outrage over a jury's decision to clear George Zimmerman in the shooting of an unarmed black teenager poured from street protests and church pulpits Sunday amid calls for federal civil rights charges to be filed in the case.

This isn't the civil rights angle that makes sense. The NAACP is doing all that it can to see justice is actually done.

However, this is the approach that has a chance:

http://reason.com/24-7/2013/05/31/civil-rights-commission-to-examine-wheth

Civil Rights Commission To Examine Whether 'Stand Your Ground' Laws Have Racial Bias
May 31, 2013

WASHINGTON -- The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights voted on Friday to launch an investigation into whether "Stand Your Ground" laws around the country have a racial bias.

These statutes gained attention after the February 2012 fatal shooting of Travyon Martin, an unarmed African-American teenager. Authorities initially refused to arrest neighborhood watch leader George Zimmerman, who is accused of shooting Martin, citing Florida's Stand Your Ground law. These measures allow individuals to stand their ground and use deadly force in self-defense, with no obligation to first attempt to retreat.