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Going back to the statement about a civil rights committee being convened to check the racism of this law:
All of these men were granted immunity from their killing because of the SYG law.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts...da-stand-your-ground-law-have-history/1241378
http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Florida/Orange-County-FL/Jackson-Fleurimon.42861729/details/
http://www.bustedmugshots.com/florida/miami/maurice-moorer/37364261
http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Florida/Pinellas-County-FL/Tavarious-China-Smith.21225426.html
http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Florida/Miami-Dade-County-FL/Alexander-J-Lopez-Lima.8288552.html
http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/cases/case_126

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hoojacks said:
No. I'm listening to his police interview.
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The one where he said he moved out from Trayvon after he shot him, and then was "on top"? After which, he immediately called 911 to report his own shooting?

That's the reason the prosecution didn't bring it up. It's because it had already been show, by at least one eyewitness, that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman and pummeling him.

That's your big scoop? LMAO
 
PapaG said:
This wasn't a Stand Your Ground case, though. What's your point?
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My point is that posts 251 and 300 talked about Civil Rights cases being brought up against the potential racism of this law, not whether or not it was used in this case. And that it seems that that's a pretty weak case, since you can be judged as immune from killings if you're black, hispanic, white or woman.
 
BrianFromWA said:
My point is that posts 251 and 300 talked about Civil Rights cases being brought up against the potential racism of this law, not whether or not it was used in this case. And that it seems that that's a pretty weak case, since you can be judged as immune from killings if you're black, hispanic, white or woman.
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Oh, got it. The FBI already investigated it in 2012 and found no evidence of civil rights' violations. I expect nothing to come of their new investigation, other than political cover that will be quietly dropped in a few months.

Zimmerman being Hispanic really proved to be a problem in this case, at least in terms of hate crimes.
 
hoojacks said:
You can't be serious. Please watch the police interview video from 33:20 to 33:40 and TRANSCRIBE EXACTLY WHAT YOU HEAR. I need to know if you're deaf or retarded.
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He's a high information voter. You're likely to cause information overload by handing him actual facts.
 
BrianFromWA said:
My point is that posts 251 and 300 talked about Civil Rights cases being brought up against the potential racism of this law, not whether or not it was used in this case. And that it seems that that's a pretty weak case, since you can be judged as immune from killings if you're black, hispanic, white or woman.
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Sure. And separate but equal meant blacks and white got equal quality schools.

And poll taxes affect everyone equally, too. Everyone has to pay them, after all, if you're black, hispanic, white, or woman, right?
 
Denny Crane said:
This isn't the civil rights angle that makes sense. The NAACP is doing all that it can to see justice is actually done.

However, this is the approach that has a chance:

http://reason.com/24-7/2013/05/31/civil-rights-commission-to-examine-wheth

Civil Rights Commission To Examine Whether 'Stand Your Ground' Laws Have Racial Bias
May 31, 2013

WASHINGTON -- The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights voted on Friday to launch an investigation into whether "Stand Your Ground" laws around the country have a racial bias.
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That's just too pathetic for discussion.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
You can't do a good job if you don't have any evidence or reliable witnesses. As you stated, it was his words against nobody's. Nobody isn't enough to convict or even arrest Zimmerman. Only reason he was arrested and this went to trial was because of black outrage based on nothing else other than a victim mentality so prevalent in the african american culture.
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Nice capsulation of the "case". Embarrassing that anyone in this country would join this political smearing of a victim of assault simply for political leverage. At least our jury system was able to focus on the facts and survive the racist attempts to thwart Justice.
 
hoojacks said:
I can't understand how anyone could trust Zimmerman 100% here. It's his word against Trayvon's.
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Exactly. It's his word against the guy who physically attacked him, and that guy isn't talking.

To sum up the case, 1. Martin attacks Zimmerman in a manner that suggests attempted murder (bashing head on concrete), Zimmerman shoots Martin while Martin is on top of him bashing his head on the concrete. That is the sum total of evidence presented in this case.

If anyone besides Travon Martin is to held accountable for Martin's death, it should be the family that raised him to be a violent and hateful thug.
 
MARIS61 said:
That's just too pathetic for discussion.
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Nobody's suggesting the self defense laws be changed, just the "I can shoot the black kid who's reaching into his pocket for a box of skittles and get away with it" law.
 
i wonder what would have happened if martin grabbed the gun and shot georgie boy dead

self defense?
 
Denny Crane said:
Nobody's suggesting the self defense laws be changed, just the "I can shoot the black kid who's reaching into his pocket for a box of skittles and get away with it" law.
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Really? What law is that?
 
3RA1N1AC said:
i wonder what would have happened if martin grabbed the gun and shot georgie boy dead

self defense?
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He would have been justifiably convicted of murder since he attacked Zimmerman and was on top of him and punching him.
 
tlongII said:
Really? What law is that?
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stand your ground

without that, you'd have to try to avoid confrontation with the kid reaching into his pocket for a box of skittles instead of standing your ground and "fearing imminent danger," shoot.
 
Denny Crane said:
stand your ground

without that, you'd have to try to avoid confrontation with the kid reaching into his pocket for a box of skittles instead of standing your ground and "fearing imminent danger," shoot.
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Ah, I see. So you believe the SYG law is specifically targeting blacks?
 
Denny Crane said:
stand your ground

without that, you'd have to try to avoid confrontation with the kid reaching into his pocket for a box of skittles instead of standing your ground and "fearing imminent danger," shoot.
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err, Why should a neighborhood watch guy have to avoid anyone in the neighborhood?

Why do you find Black needing special consideration?
 
MarAzul said:
err, Why should a neighborhood watch guy have to avoid anyone in the neighborhood?

Why do you find Black needing special consideration?
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Why should a 17 year old have to be followed for walking in his neighborhood? Why should he not be able to defend himself against an armed assailant who follows him, despite police telling him to not follow?
 
I think the laws George is not guilty, but I think the law is bad. The only racism, was in George following Treyvon(sp) but not in shooting. That's my piece and i'm stepping away from the argument.
 
Eastoff said:
Why should a 17 year old have to be followed for walking in his neighborhood? Why should he not be able to defend himself against an armed assailant who follows him, despite police telling him to not follow?
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A 911 call center operator is not the police and they have no legal authority.
 
Eastoff said:
Why should a 17 year old have to be followed for walking in his neighborhood? Why should he not be able to defend himself against an armed assailant who follows him, despite police telling him to not follow?
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Because the guy was the neighborhood watch. If you live there then you ought to know he is on your team, unless of course you have real bad attitude and near stupid.
 
tlongII said:
Ah, I see. So you believe the SYG law is specifically targeting blacks?
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That may not be its intention, but it is clearly its effect.

I'm as pro gun rights, pro 2nd amendment as anyone can be. That doesn't mean you don't hold people responsible for their actions when they're carrying a gun.
 
MarAzul said:
err, Why should a neighborhood watch guy have to avoid anyone in the neighborhood?

Why do you find Black needing special consideration?
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He called the police, fine. At that point, he did the most he should have done. To do more, which he did, was to be a vigilante. He took the law into his own hands.

Gee, there's only been almost a hundred fifty years of history of free black people being beaten, tortured, intimidated, their businesses burned to the ground, treatment as 2nd class citizens, Jim Crow laws deliberately designed to oppress these people, and institutionalized racism (like banks redlining black neighborhoods). They absolutely need special consideration.
 
Denny Crane said:
That may not be its intention, but it is clearly its effect.

I'm as pro gun rights, pro 2nd amendment as anyone can be. That doesn't mean you don't hold people responsible for their actions when they're carrying a gun.
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Why do you assert this law targets Blacks?
 
stand your ground=coffee grounds=black coffee=black

science
 
Denny Crane said:
He called the police, fine. At that point, he did the most he should have done. To do more, which he did, was to be a vigilante. He took the law into his own hands.

Gee, there's only been almost a hundred fifty years of history of free black people being beaten, tortured, intimidated, their businesses burned to the ground, treatment as 2nd class citizens, Jim Crow laws deliberately designed to oppress these people, and institutionalized racism (like banks redlining black neighborhoods). They absolutely need special consideration.
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Following someone suspicious isnt taking the law into his hands.

hoop fam
 
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