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maybe zimmerman really was cruising for him, and has a weird gunplay fetish
 
Neighbor Patrols should always approach children by first offering them candy.

If they don't have candy they should ask the child to help them find a lost puppy.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
was the 911 to add to the fear of being caught?
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the anticipation/fear only further engorged his long suffering dong quixote, nearly begging him to release it from the shackes of its denim prison

seems plausible
 
More red meat from the DoJ for the LIVs.

This case was not defended as "stand your ground" (though Denny Crane will never admit it), but the truth doesn't matter to LIVs.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...0113097977142.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories

Attorney General Eric Holder blasted "stand-your-ground laws" in the wake of the acquittal of George Zimmerman for fatally shooting Trayvon Martin—saying such laws cause more violence than they prevent.

Mr. Holder, speaking to the NAACP Annual Convention in Orlando, Fla., not far from where Mr. Zimmerman was acquitted last week, took direct aim at stand-your-ground laws, which say a person can use force in self-defense without first attempting to retreat from the situation.


At the convention of the NAACP on Tuesday, Attorney General Eric Holder blasted "stand-your-ground laws" in the wake of the acquittal of George Zimmerman for fatally shooting Trayvon Martin.

"Separate and apart from the case that has drawn the nation's attention, it's time to question laws that senselessly expand the concept of self-defense and sow dangerous conflict in our neighborhoods," Mr. Holder said, according to his prepared remarks.

In speaking out publicly against such laws for the first time, Mr. Holder is taking aim at the gun-rights groups that promote such laws and linking them to the death of Trayvon Martin.

Twenty-five states, including Florida, have adopted some version of stand-your-ground laws. While the law was a factor in the initial investigation of the Martin shooting, lawyers for Mr. Zimmerman didn't base their defense on the law, arguing instead that their client had no option of retreat, and therefore the stand-your-ground principle didn't apply.
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I'd also like to point out that Zimmerman didn't call "911", but rather the normal police line for Sanford PD.

So many inaccuracies, too many LIVs to educate.
 
PapaG said:
I'd also like to point out that Zimmerman didn't call "911", but rather the normal police line for Sanford PD.

So many inaccuracies, too many LIVs to educate.
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So you think Zimmerman is innocent?
 
What does LIV have to do with Trayvon? I didn't know we got to vote on the whole situation.
 
Zybot said:
What does LIV have to do with Trayvon? I didn't know we got to vote on the whole situation.
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Limbaugh Information Voters.

They're posting stuff that Limbaugh reasons badly on his show now.

(the gay rapist angle)
 
Zybot said:
What does LIV have to do with Trayvon? I didn't know we got to vote on the whole situation.
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well, the only reason it even went to trial was the political pushing by low information voter types. then we went through the arrest and justice system they demanded...and it still wasn't enough for them. these people are sick in the head.
 
Denny Crane said:
Limbaugh Information Voters.

They're posting stuff that Limbaugh reasons badly on his show now.

(the gay rapist angle)
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not on limbaugh, on Piers Morgan. the star witness for the prosecution went there and stated that she warned Trayvon that the "cracka" may be a gay rapist.

its obviously relevant as to Martin's state of mind and motivations behind him initiating an attack or hate crime on Zimmerman (bashing his head into the cement).
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
not on limbaugh, on Piers Morgan. the star witness for the prosecution went there and stated that she warned Trayvon that the "cracka" may be a gay rapist.

its obviously relevant as to Martin's state of mind and motivations behind him initiating an attack or hate crime on Zimmerman (bashing his head into the cement).
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Yeah, right. EDIT: there was no gay bashing reference on CNN, just on Limbaugh's show.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2...ay_rapist_and_trayvon_wasn_t_that_kind_of_way

And what you call "low information voters" simply have much better information than you do, you just don't realize it yet.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
well, the only reason it even went to trial was the political pushing by low information voter types. then we went through the arrest and justice system they demanded...and it still wasn't enough for them. these people are sick in the head.
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Good thing that Zimmerman's attorneys got all those LIV's off the jury. Umm, doesn't say much for men of the world, huh?
 
Denny Crane said:
Yeah, right. EDIT: there was no gay bashing reference on CNN, just on Limbaugh's show.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2...ay_rapist_and_trayvon_wasn_t_that_kind_of_way

And what you call "low information voters" simply have much better information than you do, you just don't realize it yet.
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I did not listen to Limbaugh's show.

Much better information. laughable. I said what was going to happen here from the beginning. there was absolutely no case at all, Zimmerman would go free. riots and whining based on nothing other than the victim mentality of the black community.
 
Zybot said:
Good thing that Zimmerman's attorneys got all those LIV's off the jury. Umm, doesn't say much for men of the world, huh?
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I'm actually shocked that 6 women were able to agree on something.
 
Incidentally I watched a recent documentary on HBO -- Gideon's Army -- about Public Defenders in the Deep South. It's a good movie if you are looking for something. Zimmerman got a king's defense it looks like. Average Joes, not so much.
 
Denny Crane said:
STRAWMAN

You are the king of these.

I said it was a stand your ground case, and it was.
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Keep repeating it.

It is not true.

The defense specifically disavowed and refused to use any form of stand your ground defense.
 
Masbee said:
Keep repeating it.

It is not true.

The defense specifically disavowed and refused to use any form of stand your ground defense.
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Sure they did.

However, the jury instructions were stand your ground.

So it's simply not true that the case had nothing to do with stand your ground.

So keep denying it.
 
Masbee said:
Keep repeating it.

It is not true.

The defense specifically disavowed and refused to use any form of stand your ground defense.
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The defense didn't have to. The law affects how the jury can deliberate in the case regardless; it affects the criteria the can judge the case on.
 
Denny Crane said:
Sure they did.

However, the jury instructions were stand your ground.

So it's simply not true that the case had nothing to do with stand your ground.

So keep denying it.
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stand your ground assumes you have the option of retreating, which Zimmerman did not have.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
stand your ground assumes you have the option of retreating, which Zimmerman did not have.
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Correct, and the FBI and local LE found that as well, based on eyewitness testimony and Zimmerman's words and injuries.

Denny seems to get off on being ignorant. :dunno:
 
Denny Crane said:
Sure they did.

However, the jury instructions were stand your ground.

So it's simply not true that the case had nothing to do with stand your ground.

So keep denying it.
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You keep denying it. The DEFENSE never used Stand Your Ground.

Sure the jury instructions including the phrasing. It is part of the law. But because the defense never argued any component of the Stand Your Ground provisions applied in this case it is moot.

How dense can you be. It is amazing that you fall so easily for the bullshit slung by the likes of Eric Holder. Rabble rousing manipulators.

Seek the truth and you shall find it:

But Mr. O’Mara said he did not rely on that provision in the courtroom because Mr. Zimmerman had no option to retreat.
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The Stand Your Ground provision also allows a defendant claiming self-defense to seek civil and criminal immunity from prosecution at a pretrial hearing based on a judge’s determination. Mr. O’Mara did not seek such a hearing, fearing that if he had lost and was then forced to go to a jury trial, he would have already divulged his case to prosecutors.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/15/u...-was-hard-to-topple.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&
 
BlazerCaravan said:
The defense didn't have to. The law affects how the jury can deliberate in the case regardless; it affects the criteria the can judge the case on.
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Wrong. The prosecution didn't argue stand your ground, either. It wasn't a SYG case. It was cut and dry a self-defense 'defense', and the DA was trying to prove mens rea and premeditation. A jury of 6 didn't buy it. If we don't need juries anymore, just say it. The juror on CNN last night even said they reached their verdict on 'self-defense'.

The SYG is political red meat for LIVs. Looks like it's working.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
stand your ground assumes you have the option of retreating, which Zimmerman did not have.
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Stand your ground allows you to use more force than the person you kill. That is, shoot an unarmed person.
 
PapaG said:
Wrong. The prosecution didn't argue stand your ground, either. It wasn't a SYG case. It was cut and dry a self-defense 'defense', and the DA was trying to prove mens rea and premeditation.
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You keep arguing your strawman.

Read, comprehend, then post.
 
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