Zimmerman to be charged in Trayvon Martin Case!

[The_Lillard_King]

Zimmerman didn't stop Trayvon Martin or ask him questions.

Did you read the article?

This is what your bible . ..er I mean article says:

Ten days after his father was hospitalized, Zimmerman noticed another young man in the neighborhood, acting in a way he found familiar, so he made another call to police.

"We've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy," Zimmerman said, as Trayvon Martin returned home from the store.

The last time Zimmerman had called police, to report Burgess, he followed protocol and waited for police to arrive. They were too late, and Burgess got away.

This time, Zimmerman was not so patient, and he disregarded police advice against pursuing Martin.

"These assholes," he muttered in an aside, "they always get away."

After the phone call ended, several minutes passed when the movements of Zimmerman and Martin remain a mystery.

Moments later, Martin lay dead with a bullet in his chest.

So you know Zimmerman didn't stop Martin to ask questions . . . let me ask you, did you read the article?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Really though, did you read the article?

Really though did you? Did you know Zimmerman has anger issues?

 

[PapaG]

This is what your bible . ..er I mean article says:

Ten days after his father was hospitalized, Zimmerman noticed another young man in the neighborhood, acting in a way he found familiar, so he made another call to police.

"We've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy," Zimmerman said, as Trayvon Martin returned home from the store.

The last time Zimmerman had called police, to report Burgess, he followed protocol and waited for police to arrive. They were too late, and Burgess got away.

This time, Zimmerman was not so patient, and he disregarded police advice against pursuing Martin.

"These assholes," he muttered in an aside, "they always get away."

After the phone call ended, several minutes passed when the movements of Zimmerman and Martin remain a mystery.

Moments later, Martin lay dead with a bullet in his chest.

So you know Zimmerman didn't stop Martin to ask questions . . . let me ask you, did you read the article?

Where does it say he stopped and questioned Martin? He followed him, was told to stop, went back to his car, and Martin circled back to confront Zimmerman. Unless you have other information?

 

[PapaG]

Really though did you? Did you know Zimmerman has anger issues?

I'd be angry too if some dude circled back to me after I listened to the 911 caller, confronted me, and then started bashing my head against the pavement.

Martin got suspended from school the week before with a bunch of women's jewelry in his backpack. Does that mean he had stealing issues? Or, was he a jewelry salesman in his spare time?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

So "according to the article" we have a guy who has a violent past, been given some type of authority position, emotional as his father was just released from the hospital, see a person he believes committed a crime, calls the police, is mad muttering these assholes always get away with this, disregards what the police say and approaches Martin.

There is no way that was going to turn out good.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Where does it say he stopped and questioned Martin? He followed him, was told to stop, went back to his car, and Martin circled back to confront Zimmerman. Unless you have other information?

According to the article you kept asking me if I read it said:

After the phone call ended, several minutes passed when the movements of Zimmerman and Martin remain a mystery.

Moments later, Martin lay dead with a bullet in his chest.

The only thing I assumed was when Zimmerman disobeyed police, he at least approached Zimmerman asking questions rather than shooting first. But your article implies it was Zimmerman who was unwilling to wait for poice and take matters into his own hands.

 

[Natebishop3]

So "according to the article" we have a guy who has a violent past, been given some type of authority position, emotional as his father was just released from the hospital, see a person he believes committed a crime, calls the police, is mad muttering these assholes always get away with this, disregards what the police say and approaches Martin.

There is no way that was going to turn out good.

I'm not sure what your argument is at this point ToB. Are you arguing that the profiling/calling the police was bad or are you arguing that Zimmerman was just a bad guy?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I'd be angry too if some dude circled back to me after I listened to the 911 caller, confronted me, and then started bashing my head against the pavement.

Martin got suspended from school the week before with a bunch of women's jewelry in his backpack. Does that mean he had stealing issues? Or, was he a jewelry salesman in his spare time?

You wiuld be angry . . . imagine a guy with anger issues, packing and who isn't afraid to take on the police?

What is Martin going to do, steal his gun?

 

[PapaG]

Really though did you? Did you know Zimmerman has anger issues?

Yeah, he had anger issues when he was what, 19 years-old? What does that have to do with what his neighbors say about him?

You seem to be getting very emotional.

 

[PapaG]

You wiuld be angry . . . imagine a guy with anger issues, packing and who isn't afraid to take on the police?

What is Martin going to do, steal his gun?

According to at least one account, that's exactly what he was trying to do. Why did Trayvon circle back after Zimmerman went back to his car? To share some Skittles with him? Your own comments earlier seem to illustrate your own anger issues, at least in how you'd react to somebody asking you what your were doing (which we have no proof even happened).

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I'm not sure what your argument is at this point ToB. Are you arguing that the profiling/calling the police was bad or are you arguing that Zimmerman was just a bad guy?

I think Zimmerman has anger issues, has been arrested for violent crime and disobeyed police during this incident (nothing wrong with calling police, a little hyper active but better than Zimmerman confronting Martin, IMO).

I don't know if it was self-defense, but given the facts in the article (who knows if they ar right) pretty easy to see that Zimmreman approaching Martin with the presumption he is committing a crime was not going to turn out good.

 

[PapaG]

I think Zimmerman has anger issues, has been arrested for violent crime and disobeyed police during this incident (nothing wrong with calling police, a little hyper active but better than Zimmerman confronting Martin, IMO).

I don't know if it was self-defense, but given the facts in the article (who knows if they ar right) pretty easy to see that Zimmreman approaching Martin with the presumption he is committing a crime was not going to turn out good.

Link?

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Yes I read the article . . . I don't bother to answer because I'm not sure the point of the question. Did you read the article? Did you read how Zimmerman disobeyed what the police told him to do in this situation. I can play this game and say "I don't know about you but when the poice tell me to do something, I am as friendly as possible and open to them." This whole case is a mystery, but to say Zimmerman did nothig wrong when he shot an unarmed kid and is being prosecuted and all the evidence has not come out yet . . . that's wrong. If jury aquits Zimmerman, then perosnally, I will think Martin brought it on himself.

And maybe it is just you, because is there a law about not being polite and answering questions. If you grew up constantly being judged and accused of something. If you grew up being looked at as different and lower class . . . after years of that would you be so happy go lucky as to answer people's questions . . . . questions from a person who is shaking you down. Normally I would say fuck that . . . but currently I would probably factor in they might have a gun and politely walk away. It is the society we live in now I guess.

The entire situation is so fucked, we could all go on and on for days (as we have).

You can play the game, as you call it. I think we'd agree on most things regarding this topic. But you've digress from my original point (in response to your post), which you responded to: Nobody should be shocked that Zimmerman was watching Trayvon. The kid was walking in a gated neighborhood that he did not live in and really had no reason being there. There's a neighborhood watch. He's got his hood up. I'm white, and I don't do that shit, and at least not expect to be watched or have someone ask me a question.

Hell, I was parked in my car in SE the other day, waiting for a dude to come home from work so I could check out his car he listed on CL. I literally was sitting there, in daylight, parked nicely in a nice new car, dressed nicely, listening to music, sipping bottled water, my young daughter in the backseat. And I had a guy walk by my car 3 times, then go in his car, grab paper, write my plates down, and I rolled my window down and explained the situation. He then explained that there had been a rash of incidents in the neighborhood, and they're highly suspicious of everyone that they don't know. I wasn't surprised anyone was bugging me, and I understood far more after hearing of recent events.

 

[PapaG]

He then explained that there had been a rash of incidents in the neighborhood, and they're highly suspicious of everyone that they don't know. I wasn't surprised anyone was bugging me, and I understood far more after hearing of recent events.

Luckily for that guy, it wasn't ToB in your car. Poor guy would have had at least an earful, and perhaps a handful.

 

[Natebishop3]

I think Zimmerman has anger issues, has been arrested for violent crime and disobeyed police during this incident (nothing wrong with calling police, a little hyper active but better than Zimmerman confronting Martin, IMO).

I don't know if it was self-defense, but given the facts in the article (who knows if they ar right) pretty easy to see that Zimmreman approaching Martin with the presumption he is committing a crime was not going to turn out good.

Don't forget that he is a wannabe cop too. Those are the worst kind of neighborhood watch.

He didn't disobey the police though. The 911 operator told him to stay in the car, which is quite a bit different than disobeying a police officer.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Link?

Jesus papag, your own article:

This time, Zimmerman was not so patient, and he disregarded police advice against pursuing Martin.


"These assholes," he muttered in an aside, "they always get away."

What did Zimmerman mean by "thees assholes always get away" and then not listen to police and pursued Martin. Stop reading the article only one way and you might see where I'm coming from

 

[Natebishop3]

The entire situation is so fucked, we could all go on and on for days (as we have).

You can play the game, as you call it. I think we'd agree on most things regarding this topic. But you've digress from my original point (in response to your post), which you responded to: Nobody should be shocked that Zimmerman was watching Trayvon. The kid was walking in a gated neighborhood that he did not live in and really had no reason being there. There's a neighborhood watch. He's got his hood up. I'm white, and I don't do that shit, and at least not expect to be watched or have someone ask me a question.

Hell, I was parked in my car in SE the other day, waiting for a dude to come home from work so I could check out his car he listed on CL. I literally was sitting there, in daylight, parked nicely in a nice new car, dressed nicely, listening to music, sipping bottled water, my young daughter in the backseat. And I had a guy walk by my car 3 times, then go in his car, grab paper, write my plates down, and I rolled my window down and explained the situation. He then explained that there had been a rash of incidents in the neighborhood, and they're highly suspicious of everyone that they don't know. I wasn't surprised anyone was bugging me, and I understood far more after hearing of recent events.

The bottled water is what gave you away. Clearly you were trying to hide something

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Luckily for that guy, it wasn't ToB in your car. Poor guy would have had at least an earful, and perhaps a handful.

No shit. I knew I was on someone else's turf. I'm not going to draw attention or escalate the situation. That'd be totally moronic. He's a resident in the neighborhood. He has the right to be curious about the things going on around his home.

 

[PapaG]

Jesus papag, your own article:

This time, Zimmerman was not so patient, and he disregarded police advice against pursuing Martin.


"These assholes," he muttered in an aside, "they always get away."

What did Zimmerman mean by "thees assholes always get away" and then not listen to police and pursued Martin. Stop reading the article only one way and you might see where I'm coming from

Where does it say he approached Martin. "Following" is not the same as "approaching". According to witnesses, Martin was the one who "approached" Zimmerman after Zimmerman returned to his car. Hotheads like Zimmerman, Martin, and apparently yourself (based on your hostile reaction to hypothetically being questioned by a neighborhood watchman) are the problem, not 99% of us who understand that people want to protect their families.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I'm not sure what your argument is at this point ToB. Are you arguing that the profiling/calling the police was bad or are you arguing that Zimmerman was just a bad guy?

Best way to win an argument you really can't win. Murk it all up so everyone else gets confused and either gives up, or gets so confused they lose track of what they're saying. It's the only way to win an argument with a woman.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Don't forget that he is a wannabe cop too. Those are the worst kind of neighborhood watch.

He didn't disobey the police though. The 911 operator told him to stay in the car, which is quite a bit different than disobeying a police officer.

True. He didn't disobey police officers order . . . I don't think I mischaracterized it because people associate 911 with law enforcement, but he didn't disobey what an officer told him.

But in taht one article he sounded pissed and had an agenda. maybe Martin didn't appreciate it and it was Martin who went over the top in his response to Zimmerman. But given the little I know about both, taht was a confrontation wehre is someone was armed, someone was likely to get injured or killed.

(It really is insulting to be accuse of something you didn't do . . . don't know if taht happend here, but wouldn't be surprised. Someone overreacted, who is the question?)

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

The bottled water is what gave you away. Clearly you were trying to hide something

I know - and it was Pellegrino!

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Best way to win an argument you really can't win. Murk it all up so everyone else gets confused and either gives up, or gets so confused they lose track of what they're saying. It's the only way to win an argument with a woman.

Best thing to do when you can't follow, blame it on the writer.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Best thing to do when you can't follow, blame it on the writer.

 

[PapaG]

No shit. I knew I was on someone else's turf. I'm not going to draw attention or escalate the situation. That'd be totally moronic. He's a resident in the neighborhood. He has the right to be curious about the things going on around his home.

I've actually been proactive before and explained to a person who was looking at me odd what I was doing waiting for a guy to get home. I was looking at a CL bike, and just like you, the owner of it was running late. I was just dressed in a T-shirt and shorts, and instead of sitting in my car because it was hot, I got out and sat on the curb. The next-door neighbor was doing yardwork and kept starting at me, so I said to him I was waiting to check out his neighbor's bike from Craigslist. He apologized, but I said there was no reason to apologize, that I owned a house too, and that being suspicious in this day and age is prudent.

I suppose I could been all "you disrespecting me???!!!!" and been pissed, but I guess I'm wired in that I completely understood why I could appear suspicious to someone who lived in that neighborhood. This wasn't even a gated community, either.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Luckily for that guy, it wasn't ToB in your car. Poor guy would have had at least an earful, and perhaps a handful.

At least I don't run from internet people posting pictures of air guns and change identities. I deal with the issue face to face.

And when I think of Zimmerman . .. Ben Davis comes to mind, that guy had anger issues too. Could you imagine him as a neighborhood watch guy. I bet he would come across real well to the home owners association who would unlikely do any research into his true natue and give him the title of manager.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

At least I don't run from internet people posting pictures of air guns and change identities. I deal with the issue face to face.

And when I think of Zimmerman . .. Ben Davis comes to mind, that guy had anger issues too. Could you imagine him as a neighborhood watch guy. ibet he would come across real well to teh home owners association who would unlikely do any research into his true natuer.

Well, certainly... we have proof of this - BD has been shooting at the homeless all around PDX.

 

[PapaG]

At least I don't run from internet people posting pictures of air guns and change identities. I deal with the issue face to face.

Yeah, that's why I left. You can't even get that right. I did deal with the real issue, in real life, but whatever, you're not worth it.

And yes, you deal with things "face to face" ... under an internet pseudonym.

And when I think of Zimmerman . .. Ben Davis comes to mind, that guy had anger issues too. Could you imagine him as a neighborhood watch guy. ibet he would come across real well to teh home owners association who would unlikely do any research into his true natuer.

That's interesting, since the words of his neighbors and friends say the exact opposite. He was even commended by the mayor of his town for his work with underprivileged kids.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Where does it say he approached Martin. "Following" is not the same as "approaching". According to witnesses, Martin was the one who "approached" Zimmerman after Zimmerman returned to his car. Hotheads like Zimmerman, Martin, and apparently yourself (based on your hostile reaction to hypothetically being questioned by a neighborhood watchman) are the problem, not 99% of us who understand that people want to protect their families.

If exercizing your constitutional rights is being spun as being a hothead, then I will be the one to be labelled and continue to stand up for what is my leagally protected right.

I'm glad you finally acknowledge that Zimmerman is a hot head. he should not have been given the postion he was given (nor should Martin or I).

And again you are reading thing only in Zimmerman's prespective. Find pursue doesn't mean approached (roll of the eyes). At the very least, Zimmerman did not listen to 911 dispatch and took his own corse of action while emotionally upset (and this is from your bible). What happened after that according to your bible "is a mystery" and that is an article you praised did all kinds of research.

 

[PapaG]

Well, certainly... we have proof of this - BD has been shooting at the homeless all around PDX.

At least BD used his real name. It bit him in the ass, but he used it.