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Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

DaLincolnJones said:
facts are facts
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just saying, when you ask "where is the mainstream media?" and then link to Fox News, the number #1 rated news channel on television, it looks kinda dumb
 
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hoojacks said:
just saying, when you ask "where is the mainstream media?" and then link to Fox News, the number #1 rated news channel on television, it looks kinda dumb
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well, in a nut shell, the fact that fox is the number one rated news channel has little to do with my point. I am glad that you view fox as mainstream, but for most people, one cable channel alone does not represent "the media"
 
Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

hoojacks said:
just saying, when you ask "where is the mainstream media?" and then link to Fox News, the number #1 rated news channel on television, it looks kinda dumb
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Fox is rated #1 on cable. The network news is 3+ channels and has more viewers by far.
 
Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

and again more comes out
 
Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

What sucks is that President Obama and his administration made the decision to play out the clock and the network media did his bidding. Mission accomplished. I say that not as someone who opposes his policies, but rather someone who wants the media to be the agressive watchdog their role should be.
 
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oldguy said:
Let me answer you simple question....I don't know what he's done. You don't know what he's done either.

Maybe you can answer a simple question. What have you done to make things better for your country.

(Besides bitching anonymously on the internet about someone you know not one fucking thing about.)
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Good, just like I thought.

I don't point guns at people when they disagree with my ideas about government expenditures, that's the biggest freaking difference. Sounds heroic to me.
 
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hoojacks said:
just saying, when you ask "where is the mainstream media?" and then link to Fox News, the number #1 rated news channel on television, it looks kinda dumb
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Yeah whatever you believe in, don't watch television. That's watered down stuff.
 
Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

Denny Crane said:
They do build monuments for immigrants.

A simple google search yields:
1) Battery Park (NYC) - The Immigrants
2) New Orleans - Monument to the Immigrant
3) Irish Memorial at Penn's Landing, Philadelphia
etc.

There's also the obvious one. Ellis Island / Statue of Liberty.

And the military hasn't killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in the last few major wars. Iraq body count WWW site says 7500 civilians killed in Iraq by US led troops, including state forces, in 2003. About 2800 in 2004, about 1000-1200 in 05, 06, and 08, 2200 in 07. Less than 200 in 09, 10, and 11. Maybe 15,000 for the whole war. According to UNAMA (United Nations mission in Afghanistan), 12,793 civilian deaths in Afghanistan from 2006 to 2011, 2/3 of those killings by Taliban and not our side (military). Another 3500 in gulf war I.

In all, maybe 2,000 per year. Or about the same number of murders committed in California (each year).

I suppose if we count the vietnam "war," he'd have a point.
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Now let's look at reality buddy.

"Among the group’s main findings:

The U.S. wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan will cost between $3.2 and $4 trillion, including medical care and disability for current and future war veterans. This figure does not include substantial probable future interest on war-related debt.
More than 31,000 people in uniform and military contractors have died, including the Iraqi and Afghan security forces and other military forces allied with the United States.
By a very conservative estimate, 137,000 civilians have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan by all parties to these conflicts.
The wars have created more than 7.8 million refugees among Iraqis, Afghans, and Pakistanis.
Pentagon bills account for half of the budgetary costs incurred and are a fraction of the full economic cost of the wars.
Because the war has been financed almost entirely by borrowing, $185 billion in interest has already been paid on war spending, and another $1 trillion could accrue in interest alone through 2020.
Federal obligations to care for past and future veterans of these wars will likely total between $600-$950 billion. This number is not included in most analyses of the costs of war and will not peak until mid-century.
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http://news.brown.edu/pressreleases/2011/06/warcosts

Even a few thousand is horrible enough, by the way.
 
Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

The war wasn't financed with borrowing. Everything else the govt. spends is.

To come up with $4T in cost for the war, you'd have to include the entire VA budget of $90B for about 30 years.

Shady accounting.
 
Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

War(s), plural. Also the future was ignored to a degree.

"This figure does not include substantial probable future interest on war-related debt."
 
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Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

The warS budgets were ~$100B/year. The surplus was ~$250B/year. Seems like there was ~$150B left over and no debt incurred by war spending.
 
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Denny Crane said:
The warS budgets were ~$100B/year. The surplus was ~$250B/year. Seems like there was ~$150B left over and no debt incurred by war spending.
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Sorry but this was addressed.

You have a strange way of defining budget. Here's an example of what I'm talking about:

"Based on current patterns of benefit claims and medical usage, it is estimated that the total present value of such costs for Iraq and Afghanistan veterans over the next 40 years is in the range of $600 billion to $1 trillion."



The government doesn't just spend revenue, they create it at will btw.
 
Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

Do the math. $600B to $1T divided by 40 years. Is $15B to $25B per year.

You have a strange way of defining budget. Mine is basic accounting.
 
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Denny Crane said:
Do the math. $1T / 40. $25B/year.

You have a strange way of defining budget. Mine is basic accounting.
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This is pretty easy Denny, relax dude. Off the top of my head:

~1.2 trillion spent from the Pentagon 2001-2011.

~Plus 1 trillion in Health care for these life-long injured vets.

~Plus 650 billion in homeland security costs post 9-11.

~Plus opportunity cost in lost jobs. http://costsofwar.org/article/lost-jobs

I haven't even counted that last part yet.
 
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Fuzzy accounting.

I should be making $1M a year in income. I wish I could write off the difference on my taxes, since it's opportunity cost in lost income.

Fuzzy accounting, indeed.
 
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huevonkiller said:
Good, just like I thought.

I don't point guns at people when they disagree with my ideas about government expenditures, that's the biggest freaking difference. Sounds heroic to me.
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Good. Just like I thought. You haven't served and you don't do anything to make things better, except to bitch ananomously on the internet.

Well, except for pulling numbers out of your ass to try to make a point. You say hundreds of thousands of civilians dead. Off by order of magnatude, like most of your ranting.

When the facts don't support your nonsense, just flat out lie. You are a true Obama fanboy.

Oh, and about that monument thingy? Are you always so full of crap?

Go Blazers
 
Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

Ya know, we should count the cost of school lunches as war costs. After all, those kids grow up and may serve.

Geez, what nonsense.
 
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Denny Crane said:
Fuzzy accounting.

I should be making $1M a year in income. I wish I could write off the difference on my taxes, since it's opportunity cost in lost income.

Fuzzy accounting, indeed.
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Weak sauce, I gave facts and that's all I am required to do. Our military budget is far higher than that, mind you.

Damn Denny you're a military Keynesian. I'm sorry it hurts your feelings but public sector spending crowds out private investment.

Take for instance this: "If the government raises taxes by $1, they estimate, the economy will shrink by $1.10. When this tax multiplier is combined with the effects of the spending multiplier, the overall effect is even more negative. These findings also imply that if a reduction in defense spending leads to future tax cuts, the economy will benefit. " http://reason.com/archives/2012/11/20/military-keynesians

This is a serious economic matter, you're a weak libertarian. Also you're naive for supporting Gary Johnson so vehemontly btw.
 
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oldguy said:
Good. Just like I thought. You haven't served and you don't do anything to make things better, except to bitch ananomously on the internet.

Well, except for pulling numbers out of your ass to try to make a point. You say hundreds of thousands of civilians dead. Off by order of magnatude, like most of your ranting.

When the facts don't support your nonsense, just flat out lie. You are a true Obama fanboy.

Oh, and about that monument thingy? Are you always so full of crap?

Go Blazers
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Yeah no duh dude I haven't served, I don't agree morally with it. Hello are you paying attention?

I underrestimated the figures if anything since 20 percent of our budget is military spending, and we're going to reach a debt saturation point soon whether you like it or not.

I'm not an Obama fanboy you're crazy, sorry it bothers you but these people are violent patriots and only some of them are heroes.
 
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