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PG : Marbury
SG : Crawford
SF : Tim Thomas
PF : Kurt Thomas
C : Sweetney ( I guess )

What do you guys think the starting 5 will be to start of the season? I really don't think Dampier or Vince are going to be Knicks this year.
 
W/O Dampier


PG: Stephon Marbury
SG: Allan Houston
SF: Jamal Crawford
PF: Tim Thomas
C: Kurt Thomas

W/ Dampier

PG: Stephon Marbury
SG: Jamal Crawford
SF: Tim Thomas
PF: Kurt Thomas
C: Erick Dampier
 
Yeah but Jamal will get powered at SF due to lack of strength and the same with TT at PF. Picture TT covering guys like Jermiane, Duncan, Garnett, Kmart, etc. (it's not gonna happen).
 
pg-marbury
sg-crawford
sf-housten i guess
pf-thomas
c-sweetny
 
pg-marbury
sg-crawford
sf-houston
pf-tim thomas
c-thosmas kurt

I hope Dampier signs with NY
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting iceman:</div><div class="quote_post">pg-marbury
sg-crawford
sf-houston
pf-tim thomas
c-thosmas kurt

I hope Dampier signs with NY</div>


pg...starbury
sg...h20
sf....timmy
pf...sweets
c...KT
if damp signs then via s&t
pg...starbury
sg...h20
sf...timmy
pf...sweets
c...damp
if damp takes MLE then
pg...starbury
sg...h20
sf...timmy
pf...kt
c...damp
 
If Dampier or Vince are not Knicks:
PG- Starbury
SG- J Crawford
SF- Houston
PF- T Thomas
C- Sweetney
6th man: K Thomas
 
PG-Stephon Marbury
SG-Jamal Crawford
SF-Tim Thomas
PF-Jerome Williams/Mike Sweetney
C-Kurt Thomas
 
PG-Marbury
SG-Crawford (I hope I don't wan't legs in our backcourt)
SF-Thomas
PF-Sweetney
C-Dampier
 
w/o Dampier

pg-Marbury
sg-Houston (if healthy)
sf-T. Thomas
pf-K. Thomas
c-Mohammmed (remember him)
(Crawford comes in to sub houston and at times marbury)

w/Dampier

pg-Marbury
sg-Houston
sf-T. Thomas
pf-K. Thomas (unless he is traded for dampier, then sweetney starts or JYD)
c-Dampier
 
Without Dampier

PG- Stephon Marbury
SG- Allan Houston
SF- Tim Thomas
PF- Kurt Thomas
C- Nazr Mohammed

With Dampier

PG- Stephon Marbury
SG- Allan Houston
SF- Tim Thomas
PF- Vin Baker
C- Erick Dampier
 
Point Guard: Stephon Marbury
Shooting Guard: Jamal Crawford
Small Forward: Allan Houston
Power Forward: Kurt Thomas
Center: Nazr Mohammed

Almost positive.
 
Allan Houston cannot play the SF.... he will start as SG.... Unless Tim Thomas gets traded he will start as their SF even though I think Penny can do a better job than he could...

PG Marbury
SG Houston
SF Thomas
PF Sweetney
C Thomas

... I cant see why that line-up would be any different.... Crawford/ Penny will be the main back-ups for the backcourt... even though I still think Penny should start, but no one has belief in him, but thats how it looks for now.
 
PG - Marbury
SG - Houston
SF - Tim Thomas
PF - Baker
C - Kurt Thomas

Bench:

PG - Crawford
SG - Crawford/Penny
SF - Penny
PF - Sweetney
C - Mohammad

6th Man: Jamal Crawford

NYK MVP: Starbury
 
The Knicks for chemstry reasons should either trade Tim Thomas or Penny Hardaway because one of those guys are going to have to accept a much smaller role on the team then expected. And those two dont seem like the type to accept a smaller role without complaining and disrupting chemistry. Tim Thomas couldnt even ever really accept the big three out shining him in Mil-town. So I think either Penny or Tim Thomas got to go. Tim Thomas obviously would be the easiest to trade due to him being just 26 and doesnt have the extreme injury history that Penny has in the past.

Also while Kurt Thomas can play the Center spot, I dont think the Knicks should start him at the position. He is clearly most comfortable and suited playing the 4. And he is clearly the Knicks only bigman right now that can be counted on to put up decent stats so want to make him as comfortable in thje lineup as possible.The fitted he is in the lineup, the more KT will produce.

And there is no way the 100 million dollar man is going to the bench. Allan Hoston spot in the Knicks starting lineup is probably most secure to be honest. He makes to much to be realistically traded. And He makes to much to be sent to the bench. The Knicks are going to keep Houston as a starter, if for no other reason just to save face. They still dont want to admit that giving this cat so much money was one of the worst decisions in franchise history.And by sending Houston to the bench would basically be there admission and I dont see it happening. And Houston starting at the 3 spot is almost comical to someone who has watched the Knicks play on a regular basis.

Starting

Steph
Allan Houston
Tim Thomas
Kurt Thomas
Nazr Mohammed

The Bench is where thing will really be confusing as far as because most teams are really most affective when they have a 8-9 man player rotation. But based on some of the money the Knicks have invested in these players who arent worth it. Its almost like the Knicks have to play, players who shouldnt be apart of the rotation, making the rotation alot deeper then it should be to be honest.

The core bench players should be...

Jamal Crawford
Penny Hardaway
Jerome Williams
Mike Sweetney
Vin Baker

And thats it to be honest because that rotation is already deep enuff, without creating a logjam. But then you have to realistically ask yourself, what do you do with ....

Shandon Anderson making over 7 mill and Moochie Norris making about 4 mill. I mean those are extremely expensive 11 & 12 men, who based on their salaries and past roles on teams warrant them getting legit minutes in their minds at least. I think Zeke has to stay on the grind trying to continue to make moves because I dont like the make up of this team much. The Knicks are one team where you can easily look and say just about everybody on their roster has a bad contract with the exception of Sweetney of course who under the rookie scale. But everybody else on this roster has horrible deals/contracts imo..
 
Im almost pstive the squad will be
pg. Steph
sg crawford
sf houston
pf sweeny
c. mohammed or kurt thomas

I read a article where isiah thomas said he wanted steph and crawford in the same backcourt with alan houston at the small. They paid jamal crawford all that moiney he better be starting
 
PG: Stephon Marbury
SG: Allan Houston
SF: Tim Thomas
PF: Kurt Thomas
C: Vin Baker
 
PG- Stephon Marbury
SG- Allan Houston for first half then Jamal Crawford
SF- Tim Thomas
PF- JYD for a while then Mike Sweetney
C- Kurt Thomas or Vin Baker if he's off the booze
 
PG- Stephon Marbury
SG- Allan Houston/Jamal Crawford
SF- Tim Thomas
PF- JYD
C- Kurt Thomas
 
i think Kurt Thomas will be out of Knick uniform before the next seasons Dead Line
 
I agree grxmites....I think he will be gone as well.. but the starting line up(barring injury) for the 1st game of the season will be:
PG-Starbury
SG-Houston
SF-T. Thomas
PF-K. Thomas
C-Nazr
Subs
PG/SG- Crawford
SG/SF- Penny
PF/C- Baker, Sweets, JYD
I think K.T. is gone because by January Sweets will show he is ready to start. I also think that this is how I.T. plans on getting a little closer to the cap( i'll explain further in another post.. and before anyone starts yelling about how we will never be close to the cap, just wait till you read my post then comment all you want)
 
Starters for opening Game:

PG- Stephon Marbury
SG- Jamal Crawford
SF- Tim Thomas
PF- Kurt Thomas
C- Nazr Mohammed

Starters at Seasons End:

PG- Stephon Marbury
SG- Jamal Crawford
SF- Tim Thomas
PF- Mike Sweetney
C- Kurt Thomas
 
PG-marbury
SG-houston
SF-T. thomas
PF-K thomas
C-nazr

its not that bad
 
no way its ganna be marbury he is going to carry this team and make this team championship contenders
 
YIKES....Man i think the lineup should look exactly like this

Starters....
C - Kurt Thomas 11.1 ppg, 8.30 rpg, 1.9 apg
PF - Tim Thomas 14.7 ppg, 4.80 rpg, 1.9 apg
SF - Allan Houston 18.5 ppg, 2.40 rpg, 2.0 apg
SG - Jamal Crawford 17.3 ppg, 3.50 rpg, 5.1 apg
PG - Stephon Marbury 20.2 ppg, 3.20 rpg, 8.9 apg

Bench.....
C - Nazr Mohammed 7.4 ppg, 5.90 rpg, .5 apg
PF - Jerome Williams 6.2 ppg, 7.00 rpg, 1.1 apg
SF - Vin Baker 9.8 ppg, 5.20 rpg, 1.2 apg
SG - Anfernee Hardaway 9.2 ppg, 3.80 rpg, 2.3 apg
PF - Mike Sweetney 4.3 ppg, 3.70 rpg, .3 apg
SG - Shandon Anderson 7.9 ppg, 2.80 rpg, 1.5 apg
SF - Trevor Ariza (UCLA stats) 11.6 ppg, 6.48 rpg, 2.8 apg
IR.....
PG - Moochie Norris 3.5 ppg, 1.00 rpg, 1.8 apg
SG - Jamison Brewer 2.5 ppg, .80 rpg, 1.3 apg
SG - (FreeAgent) Demarr Johnson 5.4 ppg, 1.90 rpg, .5 apg

Thats how the roster should look if there wantin to make the playoffs....Kurt Thomas would be a better C to start than Sweetney and Nazr...Tim Thomas can easily play the PF position....Allan Houston has played SF in his prime but just in case he gets hurt or anything theres always Penny and Baker waiting on the bench or even the rookie sensation Trevor Ariza. Jamal Crawford will most likely be Co-Captain to Stephon Marbury which everyone knows he gonna be the Captain. The bench looks very nice when u look at it. Notice how i put all the SGs, PGs on the IR....well thats because they really wont get any minutes with Jamal Crawford, Stephon Marbury, and Penny Hardaway around. Also...theres no backup PG on the bench because when Marbury goes outta tha game (which wouldnt be long out of the game either)...Jamal Crawford could play PG and maybe Penny could come in at SG....this would be a great plan for the New York Knicks to look at and they have the biggest chance at making the playoffs this year if all of this actually happens.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheAnswerIsAi3:</div><div class="quote_post">YIKES....Man i think the lineup should look exactly like this

Starters....
C - Kurt Thomas 11.1 ppg, 8.30 rpg, 1.9 apg
PF - Tim Thomas 14.7 ppg, 4.80 rpg, 1.9 apg
SF - Allan Houston 18.5 ppg, 2.40 rpg, 2.0 apg
SG - Jamal Crawford 17.3 ppg, 3.50 rpg, 5.1 apg
PG - Stephon Marbury 20.2 ppg, 3.20 rpg, 8.9 apg

Bench.....
C - Nazr Mohammed 7.4 ppg, 5.90 rpg, .5 apg
PF - Jerome Williams 6.2 ppg, 7.00 rpg, 1.1 apg
SF - Vin Baker 9.8 ppg, 5.20 rpg, 1.2 apg
SG - Anfernee Hardaway 9.2 ppg, 3.80 rpg, 2.3 apg
PF - Mike Sweetney 4.3 ppg, 3.70 rpg, .3 apg
SG - Shandon Anderson 7.9 ppg, 2.80 rpg, 1.5 apg
SF - Trevor Ariza (UCLA stats) 11.6 ppg, 6.48 rpg, 2.8 apg
IR.....
PG - Moochie Norris 3.5 ppg, 1.00 rpg, 1.8 apg
SG - Jamison Brewer 2.5 ppg, .80 rpg, 1.3 apg
SG - (FreeAgent) Demarr Johnson 5.4 ppg, 1.90 rpg, .5 apg

Thats how the roster should look if there wantin to make the playoffs....Kurt Thomas would be a better C to start than Sweetney and Nazr...Tim Thomas can easily play the PF position....Allan Houston has played SF in his prime but just in case he gets hurt or anything theres always Penny and Baker waiting on the bench or even the rookie sensation Trevor Ariza. Jamal Crawford will most likely be Co-Captain to Stephon Marbury which everyone knows he gonna be the Captain. The bench looks very nice when u look at it. Notice how i put all the SGs, PGs on the IR....well thats because they really wont get any minutes with Jamal Crawford, Stephon Marbury, and Penny Hardaway around. Also...theres no backup PG on the bench because when Marbury goes outta tha game (which wouldnt be long out of the game either)...Jamal Crawford could play PG and maybe Penny could come in at SG....this would be a great plan for the New York Knicks to look at and they have the biggest chance at making the playoffs this year if all of this actually happens.</div>
<font size="7">Are you JOKING?</font>

ALLAN HOUSTON CAN'T COMPETE IN THIS LEAGUE AT THE 3! HE'S TOO SOFT TO PLAY THE 2! He barely drives to the basket at the 2! He won't be able to compete with the likes of Ron Artest, Richard Jefferson, Tracy McGrady (SG/SF), Carmelo Anthony, and Shawn Marion! That's a joke.


Kurt Thomas won't be able to play Center, either. He did it for a little while but he plays his best at PF. He does a good job on Shaq, but against Jermaine O'neal, Yao Ming, Shaq (Shaq still can beat his ass pretty damn well), Dampier, Duncan (F/C) he won't have a chance of competing! It's ridiculous.


And wait just a minute, did you say play Tim thomas at PF?! Is that a joke?! Tim Thomas is 6-10 and weighs 240 LBs at SF, yet he only pulls down 4.8 rebounds per game! HOW DO YOU THINK HE'D PERFORM AGAINST SOME OF THIS LEAGUE'S ELITE PFs LIKE BEN WALLACE, KEVIN GARNETT, TIM DUNCAN, PAU GASOL, SHAREEFABDUR-RAHIM?!
That is simply ridiculous! You need to be much more careful in wait you say, because that is simply WRONG.

Crawford needs a year to develop in the Knicks' system before rolling into the line-up, and if you were to put him in the line-up it would SOLELY be because Houston is injured.

I don't see how exactly you put Baker down as a back-up SF, doesn't really make sense.

My starting line-ups for the Knicks:

PG- Stephon Marbury (Back ups: Jamal Crawford, Moochie Norris)
SG- Allan Houston (Back ups: Jamal Crawford, Penny Hardaway, Trevor Ariza)
SF Tim Thomas (Back ups: Penny Hardaway, Trevor Ariza)
PF- Kurt Thomas (Back ups: Mike Sweetney, Jerome Williams)
C- Nazr Mohammed (Back ups: Vin Baker <u>and ONCE IN A WHILE</u> Mike Sweetney)

IR-
Shandon Anderson
Jamison Brewer
Dermarr Johnson



^My line-ups are pretty accurate, it is possible that Ariza could replace Anderson on the IR (although I hope to God that doesn't happen).
 
^ Kurt Thomas is the Knicks best bigman was why would you play him out of position. Yes, he has played the 5 spot out of need for the Knicks in the past, but he is clearly more comfortable playing the 4 spot. And with K.Thomas being the Knicks most stable and consistent bigman, you want him to be as comfortable in his role as possible.And that comfort seems to come with him playing the 4 spot imo. And if you seen the Buck's play during the big 3 era, then you would undertand that Tim Thomas just isnt fit to play the 4 spot as a starter. He hangs out way to much behind the arc and doesnt provide the rebounding needed out of a starting power forward, 4 or 5 rebounds per game just doesnt cut it for a power forward.

And you said that Allan Houston has played the 3 in the past, I guess your talking about the 2 seasons before Spree came, when the Knicks where using the 3 guard lineup alot with Ward/childs, Starks, and Houston. But Starks was the better defender between the two, so he would often defend the better wing player. On this Knicks squad if they were to use a 3 guard lineup, with both Houston & Crawford, who would guard the better wing player, they both are poor on-defenders. And the 3 spot in the NBA has gotten much bigger since the Knicks used that method. Allan Houston just cant deal with the 3 spot and the size/strenght of some of the perimeter players he may face at the position.

Edit: Well Knick Analyst pretty much shut dude down beofe I got to post mine, so just take mine as backing up KA.
 

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