|0ffical| Drafting in the lotto

[Trackjack]

I would take Jackson or Tatum with the Number 1 pick. If you can get Bulter then yes I would.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Here's a question; what if we somehow win the lottery?

Do you take someone?

Do you trade for Jimmy Butler?

Trading it would be a definite option. Right now I think Ball is projected as #1 on many boards. His dad could be a problem. If he turns out to be really good, will he end up in LA about the time he peeks?

Who do all the "tanker lovers" like? This year's draft seems deep on potential but no real players who will "transcend" the game. A term they throw out in Los Angeles all the time because by tanking for 3 years, and now 4, they are pissed they didn't end up with one of those types of players. Which was their goal for tanking in the first place.

 

[BonesJones]

Dude has a 7'5 wingspan and is an explosive leaper, his height will not be an issue. He's actually longer than Ibaka. Not even comparable to Taj Gibson athletically. Did you just google "power forwards that are 6'9?"

What his jump shot is right now doesn't matter. You don't draft guys for what they are. You draft them based on what they can become. He's got a good looking shot. Ibaka didn't even start shooting threes until he was years into his NBA career.

No, because Gibson is an undersized 4, who's game compares similarly to Williams.

Drafting and undersized 4 (his wingspan gives him an average shantung reach i suppose) and hoping he can become a shooter is not a good idea.

You got Hartenstein, who's just as athletic, and can already shoot as well as finish inside, and he's 7'0 (I think?). That's the type of player you draft in the lotto. Players with talent and potential. You save raw players with potential for later.

 

[BonesJones]

Trading it would be a definite option. Right now I think Ball is projected as #1 on many boards. His dad could be a problem. If he turns out to be really good, will he end up in LA about the time he peeks?

Who do all the "tanker lovers" like? This year's draft seems deep on potential but no real players who will "transcend" the game. A term they throw out in Los Angeles all the time because by tanking for 3 years, and now 4, they are pissed they didn't end up with one of those types of players. Which was their goal for tanking in the first place.

If we got first I'd take Fultz then try to trade CJ or Dame for the 3rd or 4th pick to take Jackson. Fultz is fantastic and has an extremely well rounded game, while Jackson is a great defender, and would be a great distributor at the 3.

Jackson is what everyone hoped Batum could be.

Ball could likely be a bust. He can't get by solid defenders, and his shot is hard to get off.

Tatum has a lot of talent, and I think he's being slept on.

I'd also be down with taking Isaac, and trying to bulk him up so that he could play the 4. He's 6'10 with guard skills, and would be a matchup nightmare for other teams as a PF.

Ntilikina would be interesting, as he's a 6'5 PG who can defend well and do a little bit of everything offensively. I'd take him if we could get rid of Turner. That'd sand is a ton of money with no real drop off and an increase in potential.

De'Aaron Fox would be great next to CJ, but we have Dame, who's better than Fox will ever be.

Malik Monk compares to CJ (undersized 2-guard who can shoot and score) which means we shouldn't look at him.

 

[illmatic99]

BPA. When you're a team winning 30 something games, need doesn't matter. Overall talent does.

ugh. How many rebuilds must we go through?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Jackson is what everyone hoped Batum could be.

American?

 

[BBert]

Here's a question; what if we somehow win the lottery?

Do you take someone?

Do you trade for Jimmy Butler?

Butler

 

[BonesJones]

American?

Yes.

 

[BBert]

Trading it would be a definite option. Right now I think Ball is projected as #1 on many boards. His dad could be a problem. If he turns out to be really good, will he end up in LA about the time he peeks?

Who do all the "tanker lovers" like? This year's draft seems deep on potential but no real players who will "transcend" the game. A term they throw out in Los Angeles all the time because by tanking for 3 years, and now 4, they are pissed they didn't end up with one of those types of players. Which was their goal for tanking in the first place.

I'd like using the lottery pick in a trade for a proven player who will make the team better immediately.

Otherwise: BPA

 

[BonesJones]

Here's a question; what if we somehow win the lottery?

Do you take someone?

Do you trade for Jimmy Butler?

I'd try to trade Turner and Meyers and the 1st pick for Butler. Then all you'd have to do is see if a team like Philadelphia would take Crabbe. That'd leave us with:

-Cap space (We could trade Ed/Aminu if someone signed)
-No bad contracts
-3 All-Star level players
-A young, two-way center
-2 more draft picks

 

[PtldPlatypus]

You got Hartenstein, who's just as athletic, and can already shoot as well as finish inside, and he's 7'0 (I think?). That's the type of player you draft in the lotto. Players with talent and potential. You save raw players with potential for later.

Draftexpress says he's 7'0" barefoot, which means he'll probably be listed at 7'2" by the time the draft rolls around. Looks like the size/strength of Leonard with the skills of Plumlee, though without the athleticism of either. I would not complain if we ended up with the 10th pick and brought him in.

 

[illmatic99]

I'd try to trade Turner and Meyers and the 1st pick for Butler.

lol why would CHI do this?

Then all you'd have to do is see if a team like Philadelphia would take Crabbe.

That sounds easy to do.

That'd leave us with:

-Cap space (We could trade Ed/Aminu if someone signed)
-No bad contracts
-3 All-Stars
-A young, two-way center
-2 more draft picks

lmao. That easy huh?

 

[BonesJones]

lol why would CHI do this?



That sounds easy to do.


lmao. That easy huh?

Why would CHI do it? Because they'd be rebuilding so bad contacts don't hurt them. And they'd get the #1 pick. Simple.

There were rumors that teams wanted Crabbe. We would be able to unload him for free during the summer.

Yes, it is that easy.

 

[BonesJones]

Draftexpress says he's 7'0" barefoot, which means he'll probably be listed at 7'2" by the time the draft rolls around. Looks like the size/strength of Leonard with the skills of Plumlee, though without the athleticism of either. I would not complain if we ended up with the 10th pick and brought him in.

He's just as athletic as Leonard.

I'd also say he has the skills of both because he can also shoot the ball.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

He's just as athletic as Leonard.

I'd also say he has the skills of both because he can also shoot the ball.

Profile says he's shooting 28% from INTL 3-point range, so I'd say his jump-shooting is closer to Plumlee's than Leonard's.

As for the athleticism, the only metric I saw on Draftexpress was standing vert 22, max vert 29. Of course, that was from 2014, so who knows what he's at now. I'll have to see something better than that from him at the combine before I'd be willing to agree that he's as athletic as Leonard.

 

[Pinwheel1]

If we got first I'd take Fultz then try to trade CJ or Dame for the 3rd or 4th pick to take Jackson. Fultz is fantastic and has an extremely well rounded game, while Jackson is a great defender, and would be a great distributor at the 3.

I still can't figure out how the Huskies can be that horrible if Fultz is that fantastic. Two conference wins!
They have 7 decent players. That is more than enough to win in college. His highlights do look fantastic, but the games I have watched ......he does not. It's a puzzler.

 

[craigehlo]

Hartenstein has a nice first step in the scouting videos. That's a huge weapon 7 footers like Cousins and Anthony Davis use to score pretty efficiently. He's obviously not in their league, but that's not an easy skill for lots of bigs.

 

[BonesJones]

I still can't figure out how the Huskies can be that horrible if Fultz is that fantastic. Two conference wins!
They have 7 decent players. That is more than enough to win in college. His highlights do look fantastic, but the games I have watched ......he does not. It's a puzzler.

Washington's team sucks. Same as NC State with Dennis Smith. One great player can't make a team good.

I think his game translates beautifully to the NBA. 6'4 with a 6'11 wingspan, good defense, good athleticism. Can score on all 3 levels. Good ball handler. He'll be good.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Washington's team sucks. Same as NC State with Dennis Smith. One great player can't make a team good.

I think his game translates beautifully to the NBA. 6'4 with a 6'11 wingspan, good defense, good athleticism. Can score on all 3 levels. Good ball handler. He'll be good.

Well, it'll be the second straight year a player is chosen first from a team too crappy to make the tournament. But do we have an example of an actually great player who couldn't drag his team to the NCAAs? (And don't say Lillard.)

I mean, look at Larry Bird. Whoever heard of Indiana State before or since? Meanwhile Washington has been a lot better before Fultz than with him.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Fuck the draft. Fuck the lottery.

 

[Natebishop3]

Fuck the draft. Fuck the lottery.

That's an interesting theory.

76-77 Championship team:
Bill Walton - drafted by the Blazers (1st pick in the draft).
Maurice Lucas - Drafted by the Portland Trail Blazers from the Kentucky Colonels in the dispersal draft.
Bobby Gross - Drafted by the Portland Trail Blazers in the 2nd round (25th pick) of the 1975 NBA Draft.
Larry Steele - Drafted by the Portland Trail Blazers in the 3rd round (37th pick) of the 1971 NBA Draft.
Lloyd Neal - Drafted by the Portland Trail Blazers in the 3rd round (31st pick) of the 1972 NBA Draft.
Lionel Hollins - Drafted by the Portland Trail Blazers in the 1st round (6th pick) of the 1975 NBA Draft.

89-92 Team that lost in the Finals twice:

Clyde Drexler - Drafted by the Portland Trail Blazers in the 1st round (14th pick) of the 1983 NBA Draft.
Terry Porter - Drafted by the Portland Trail Blazers in the 1st round (24th pick) of the 1985 NBA Draft.
Jerome Kersey - Drafted by the Portland Trail Blazers in the 2nd round (46th pick) of the 1984 NBA Draft.
Cliff Robinson - Drafted by the Portland Trail Blazers in the 2nd round (36th pick) of the 1989 NBA Draft.

Or how about our team right now:

Damian Lillard - Drafted by the Portland Trail Blazers in the 1st round (6th pick) of the 2012 NBA Draft.
CJ McCollum - Drafted by the Portland Trail Blazers in the 1st round (10th pick) of the 2013 NBA Draft.

Fuck the draft though, am I right????

 

[Schilly]

Based on current standings Blazers would have #9 pick... A look back at #9 Picks since 2000 (And some #10's thrown in too)

2000 Joel Przybilla
2001 Rodney White (Joe Johnson #10)
2002 Amare Stoudamire (Caron Butler #10)
2003 Mike Sweetney
2004 Andre Igoudala
2005 Ike Diogu
2006 Patrick O'Bryant
2007 Joakim Noah
2008 DJ Augustin (Brook Lopez #10)
2009 DeMar Derozen
2010 Gordan Hayward (Paul George #10)
2011 Kemba Walker
2012 Andre Drummond
2013 Trey Burke (CJ McCollum #10)
2014 Noah Vonleh
2015 Frank Kaminski (10 Justise Winslow, 11 Myles Turner, 12 Trey Lyles, 13 Devin Booker)
2016 Thon Maker (Domantas Sabonis #10)

Bolded are players that had/have solid NBA careers I left 2014 on unbolded but everyone of those players is looking like at least journeyman NBA players. I think sitting at #9 we are in a pretty good place as is in terms of the draft.

 

[Schilly]

Going back a couple more years at #9

1999 Shawn Marion
1998 Dirk Nowitzki
1997 Tracy McGrady

 

[Pinwheel1]

Washington's team sucks. Same as NC State with Dennis Smith. One great player can't make a team good.

I think his game translates beautifully to the NBA. 6'4 with a 6'11 wingspan, good defense, good athleticism. Can score on all 3 levels. Good ball handler. He'll be good.

I agree he will be good in the NBA, but that does not explain why they are so bad.

Their players were highly ranked. They have talent. Junior Noah Dickerson was a top 50 player coming out of HS. Sophomore David Crisp played well last year. Thybulle was highly ranked and has played well. Those players around Fultz should be at least competitive in most games. Losing is one thing but I still find it a little puzzling that they are as bad as they are.

 

[BonesJones]

I agree he will be good in the NBA, but that does not explain why they are so bad.

Their players were highly ranked. They have talent. Junior Noah Dickerson was a top 50 player coming out of HS. Sophomore David Crisp played well last year. Thybulle was highly ranked and has played well. Those players around Fultz should be at least competitive in most games. Losing is one thing but I still find it a little puzzling that they are as bad as they are.

Crisp can't defend, and Thybulle and Dickerson are men.

If Fultz stayed another year, they'd be top 10, with Michael Porter Jr. and the Garfield guards coming in. Too bad he won't.

 

[Scalma]

If we got first I'd take Fultz then try to trade CJ or Dame for the 3rd or 4th pick to take Jackson. Fultz is fantastic and has an extremely well rounded game, while Jackson is a great defender, and would be a great distributor at the 3.

Jackson is what everyone hoped Batum could be.

Ball could likely be a bust. He can't get by solid defenders, and his shot is hard to get off.

Tatum has a lot of talent, and I think he's being slept on.

I'd also be down with taking Isaac, and trying to bulk him up so that he could play the 4. He's 6'10 with guard skills, and would be a matchup nightmare for other teams as a PF.

Ntilikina would be interesting, as he's a 6'5 PG who can defend well and do a little bit of everything offensively. I'd take him if we could get rid of Turner. That'd sand is a ton of money with no real drop off and an increase in potential.

De'Aaron Fox would be great next to CJ, but we have Dame, who's better than Fox will ever be.

Malik Monk compares to CJ (undersized 2-guard who can shoot and score) which means we shouldn't look at him.

Trading a dame or a CJ to make room for a rookie is insane.

 

[Scalma]

Fuck the draft. Fuck the lottery.

I agree, fuck tanking.

We have three building pieces imo. A go to scorer is what teams tank to find, not role players. This isn't a rebuild. I know it's a small sample size, but when Dame, CJ, and Nurk are on the court at the same time, the team plays really well. That chemistry will only get better. We don't need a third star, we just need better complimentary players.

I'm not against winning the lottery (duh), but I don't agree with this notion that we should be trying to lose games on purpose. For this team, we can find an impact player in the top 15.

 

[Trackjack]

You try to win every game that you can and let the chips fall in place.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Fuck the draft. Fuck the lottery.

The next Dame or CJ vs 4 more games and Luke Babbitt

 

[Scalma]

The next Dame or CJ vs 4 more games and Luke Babbitt

Not really. A pick in the 10-15 range this year is pretty much like a top 10 pick in other years.