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Apparently, Wolves don’t know what to do with it and might trade it. Would you guys trade CJ for it?
 
We cannot really match contracts with them if we give up CJ and nobody else on our roster can be traded for a 1st pick even on a bad drsft.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Apparently, Wolves don’t know what to do with it and might trade it. Would you guys trade CJ for it?
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In a heartbeat. You have the opportunity to get a very good player, more length......AND get out from under that massive contract. With some other maneuvering, they might even be able to sign a decent FA. You might take a small setp back, but with Dame and CJ, at one point this season they were within 1/2 game of the #5 Lottery pick spot.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Apparently, Wolves don’t know what to do with it and might trade it. Would you guys trade CJ for it?
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God no.

There's probably a better player than CJ in this draft, but (a) only probably (most drafts it'd be closer to certainty) and (b) given how each projects, it will require somebody surprising, and we have no way of knowing whom. Wolves will probably shop this around and then end up keeping it when they find no takers.
 
GDiama said:
We cannot really match contracts with them if we give up CJ and nobody else on our roster can be traded for a 1st pick even on a bad drsft.
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Agreed.
Not sure who Wolves would give up to match contracts.
Johnson + Culver + 1st? Not sure that they'd do that....

I'd be very open to trading CJ for a high draft pick -> it would just have to be the right team (NY?)
 
Oh wow if there were some way of pulling that off I would do it in a heartbeat. I'm still really high on Anthony Edwards and not just because of his amazing work on E.R. and as Goose. I really love his game, he's got great size for a wing at 6'5" with a 6'10" wingspan and 225 lbs., he is ultra athletic, very strong, has great defensive instincts and just watch some highlights... his shot is nice, not his numbers (29% from three) but the form is there, he will be able to shoot the three well. I realize that people are questioning his work ethic but when I watched him it seemed like he was really hungry on a lot of plays and checked out when his team was losing big which was a ton of games. That's maturity and kind of natural for all players not necessarily work ethic. I've seen this draft as a three tier draft for a long time and it's Edwards, the next 7 guys and then the next 20 or so guys. Then their's the fact that we get such an amazing talent on a rookie contract and get 20 million in cap relief which would open up a lot of options for us. Yeah, I'd do it for sure.
 
blazerkor said:
Oh wow if there were some way of pulling that off I would do it in a heartbeat. I'm still really high on Anthony Edwards and not just because of his amazing work on E.R. and as Goose. I really love his game, he's got great size for a wing at 6'5" with a 6'10" wingspan and 225 lbs., he is ultra athletic, very strong, has great defensive instincts and just watch some highlights... his shot is nice, not his numbers (29% from three) but the form is there, he will be able to shoot the three well. I realize that people are questioning his work ethic but when I watched him it seemed like he was really hungry on a lot of plays and checked out when his team was losing big which was a ton of games. That's maturity and kind of natural for all players not necessarily work ethic. I've seen this draft as a three tier draft for a long time and it's Edwards, the next 7 guys and then the next 20 or so guys. Then their's the fact that we get such an amazing talent on a rookie contract and get 20 million in cap relief which would open up a lot of options for us. Yeah, I'd do it for sure.
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Who knows - he might even be the next Harold Miner or OJ Mayo!
 
So Minnesota tries going with CJ and Russell? Not seeing that. That would be huge money tied to similar players and money/cap space could be in very high demand with COVID-19 shaking everything up.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
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I notice you picked the one category there that is heavily skewed toward total minutes played, rather than quality of production. See if you can find anybody on your screenshot with a lower RPM

For just the Blazers, CJ ranked 4th in PER, 10th in TS%, 15th in FT rate, was tied with Nurkic in assist rate, 9th in winshares/48, and 4th in BPM. And a very legitimate question is how much of his BPM and RPM marks are because he plays so many minutes with Dame. If CJ was earning his bloated salary and had impact rates equal to Whiteside or Nurkic, Portland would be a much better team.

If the Blazers could get the 1st pick, in any draft, for CJ, they'd be fools not to accept the deal. CJ doesn't have that kind of value
 
wizenheimer said:
I notice you picked the one category there that is heavily skewed toward total minutes played, rather than quality of production. See if you can find anybody on your screenshot with a lower RPM

For just the Blazers, CJ ranked 4th in PER, 10th in TS%, 15th in FT rate, was tied with Nurkic in assist rate, 9th in winshares/48, and 4th in BPM. And a very legitimate question is how much of his BPM and RPM marks are because he plays so many minutes with Dame. If CJ was earning his bloated salary and had impact rates equal to Whiteside or Nurkic, Portland would be a much better team.

If the Blazers could get the 1st pick, in any draft, for CJ, they'd be fools not to accept the deal. CJ doesn't have that kind of value
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You’d still need to get similar production from those CJ minutes in order to not regress. Veterans are needed, not rookies. Unless you want to trade Lillard so his prime isn’t wasted with an imbalanced roster that probably doesn’t make the playoffs next season with no CJ and a rookie replacing him.
 
wizenheimer said:
I notice you picked the one category there that is heavily skewed toward total minutes played, rather than quality of production. See if you can find anybody on your screenshot with a lower RPM

For just the Blazers, CJ ranked 4th in PER, 10th in TS%, 15th in FT rate, was tied with Nurkic in assist rate, 9th in winshares/48, and 4th in BPM. And a very legitimate question is how much of his BPM and RPM marks are because he plays so many minutes with Dame. If CJ was earning his bloated salary and had impact rates equal to Whiteside or Nurkic, Portland would be a much better team.

If the Blazers could get the 1st pick, in any draft, for CJ, they'd be fools not to accept the deal. CJ doesn't have that kind of value
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I think you way underestimate CJ's value. I'd say it's more likely that playing beside Dame negatively impacts his stats than helps them. We've seen consistently that his numbers go up when Dame is injured. I do agree with you that he is not the right player for the Blazers to have as their second near-max contract for all of the reasons that we've discussed on this board ad nauseum. I just have a sunnier opinion of what we could reap in exchange for him than you do.
 
RoseCityRebel said:
You’d still need to get similar production from those CJ minutes in order to not regress. Veterans are needed, not rookies. Unless you want to trade Lillard so his prime isn’t wasted with an imbalanced roster that probably doesn’t make the playoffs next season with no CJ and a rookie replacing him.
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ok. I get what you're saying; I just don't agree with it

you say Portland can't "regress". To that I say, why not? What is Portland really protecting? Their status as a pretender? another flawed team with no chance to compete for the title? A team always on the cusp of luxury tax because of CJ's contract? A team with very limited flexibility? A team who makes it out of the first round once every 3 or 4 years?

are those really good reasons to avoid taking any significant risks? I don't think so. Portland is an above average team, sure. But all that means, IMO, is that they are stuck on an above average treadmill. It's still a treadmill

don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating for Portland making a bad trade. But I am starting from a point of saying the Blazers don't have nearly as much to lose as some believe. They really aren't in that good a spot, not when you look around the league. And we're not talking about trading CJ for a 16th or 13th pick. We were talking about trading him for a 1st pick. Many times a team has to take one or two steps back in order to get on a better path forward. A #1 pick, at least theoretically, offers the opportunity for a better path forward than what they are on right now
 
e_blazer said:
I think you way underestimate CJ's value. I'd say it's more likely that playing beside Dame negatively impacts his stats than helps them. We've seen consistently that his numbers go up when Dame is injured. I do agree with you that he is not the right player for the Blazers to have as their second near-max contract for all of the reasons that we've discussed on this board ad nauseum. I just have a sunnier opinion of what we could reap in exchange for him than you do.
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people always bring that up about CJ's numbers without Dame

what they don't talk about is Dame's numbers without CJ. They go up considerably too. Free both of them by trading CJ

as far as the sunnier opinion about CJ's trade value....we're talking about a #1 pick for CJ; considering what we noted about Dame and CJ playing without each other, I'm not sure how much more you'd want for CJ then that
 
wizenheimer said:
people always bring that up about CJ's numbers without Dame

what they don't talk about is Dame's numbers without CJ. They go up considerably too. Free both of them by trading CJ

as far as the sunnier opinion about CJ's trade value....we're talking about a #1 pick for CJ; considering what we noted about Dame and CJ playing without each other, I'm not sure how much more you'd want for CJ then that
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How much immediate impact do you expect out of the #1 pick in this year’s draft? There aren’t any Zions this year. We need immediate impact players to fit Dame’s window, not prospects.
 
e_blazer said:
How much immediate impact do you expect out of the #1 pick in this year’s draft? There aren’t any Zions this year. We need immediate impact players to fit Dame’s window, not prospects.
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but CJ doesn't fit Dame's window either
 
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