1 Reasons the Trail Blazers Offense Can’t Score

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I have a love/hate relationship with Blazersedge, but I think Dave nailed it this time. At least that's what my eyes have been seeing when comparing this year to last year. Dave gave four reasons, but think the first one is by far the key.

https://www.blazersedge.com/2017/12...ffense-stats-lillard-mccollum-nurkic-rankings

Spreading the Floor Doesn’t Matter Anymore
The Bible on the Blazers used to be pretty clear: if the wings hit their three-point shots, Portland’s offense was unstoppable. The lane would clear, Lillard and McCollum (and later Jusuf Nurkic) would feast inside. Even though the forwards didn’t always come through, the theory was sound and the threat present.
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Here’s the list of bad things that can happen when opponents leave Portland’s wings outside alone:
  • They might hit the shot.
That’s it. None of them are a driving threat. With the defense playing 5-on-4 against everybody else, there’s nobody to pass to. If they miss the attempt, the defense wins. Even if they hit, it’s pretty hard for any amount of scoring from Aminu, Connaughton, and Napier to kill you. It’ll happen, but rarely.

Now here’s the list of good things that result from keeping an extra defender near the lane:

  • Shut off Lillard and McCollum driving angles
  • Force Nurkic to take longer making his post moves, increasing the chances he’ll turn it over
  • Stop momentum on the Nurkic-Lillard high pick and roll before it starts
  • Close off passing lanes
  • Crowd McCollum’s mid-range shot Take away offensive rebounds, including those that might result from three-point wing misses
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It’s one thing to say, “If the Blazers are successful at this strategy (of shooting three-pointers), their offense will be scary.” It’s quite another to say, “Even if the strategy succeeds, it won’t make that much of a difference.” Portland was in the former situation last year. Now opponents dare them to do their worst with the ancillary players, knowing they’ve got the big guns muffled. One or two of the main three scorers might go off even with extra attention in the middle, but it’s unlikely all three will...especially McCollum, who wasn’t taking the highest percentage shots to begin with.
 
This is a bit scary because it seems like "oh crap, I didn't see that coming. I wonder what we should do now?" Teams may have found a simple answer to defending Portland's lineup that the Blazers won't be able to overcome without some major moves.
 
The player on our roster with the closest match to the skills that counter this defense will make everyone here scream in pain. It's Meyers Leonard.

Leonard hits the three, but he's also decent midrange. He gives you a second player to set screens, and a reason why you can't just double Nurk down low. Now, Olshey's goal should be getting two players who do any or all of those things better than Meyers does, but honestly, starting Meyers, Patty, and Nurkic might be crazy enough to work once or twice.
 
This is insane to say, but I'm going to just say it: in order, this should be our rotation (first five start, next four are our bench):

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This is stupid, but hear me out: In your starters, you get three legitimate ball handlers, four players who can hit the three, an offensive rebounder (Jusuf) and a defensive rebounder (Meyers). Ed Davis and Vonleh continue the rebounding, while Patty C rounds out the guard rotation. Aminu acts as a defensive specialist.

Like I said, stupid, but these are our nine best players, by the numbers and by the eye test.
 
Like I said, stupid, but these are our nine best players, by the numbers and by the eye test.

In before @Mediocre Man ...

This is the only eye test Meyers Leonard will ever pass:

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BNM
 
In before @Mediocre Man ...

This is the only eye test Meyers Leonard will ever pass:

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BNM

Evan Turner, Maurice Harkless, Jake Layman, and the rookies are all bigger liabilities on the court than Meyers Leonard; take that how you will. I’m not saying he’s the best player on the team. But I’d rather have him out there than anyone not on the list I posted in the post you didn’t quote.
 
The player on our roster with the closest match to the skills that counter this defense will make everyone here scream in pain. It's Meyers Leonard.

Leonard hits the three, but he's also decent midrange. He gives you a second player to set screens, and a reason why you can't just double Nurk down low. Now, Olshey's goal should be getting two players who do any or all of those things better than Meyers does, but honestly, starting Meyers, Patty, and Nurkic might be crazy enough to work once or twice.
Opening myself up for a beat down but........from what I saw in limited minutes during the Washington game, they have that guy in Zach Collins. Seems like he’s the only guy who not only knows HOW to set a pick, but also WHEN and WHERE to set a pick. He’s young, raw and skinny (the kid disappears when he turns sideways) but I was still impressed by the small sample size. He can shoot, his footwork blew me away, especially on defense (we had good seats and he was playing right in front of us), he stuck with his man and he seemed pretty well aware at all times of what was going on (for a rookie with limited playing time). In other words, he seems like a Meyers Leonard with an actual basketball IQ and mental toughness. I’d love to see what he could do with more playing surrounded by seasoned starters.
 
Opening myself up for a beat down but........from what I saw in limited minutes during the Washington game, they have that guy in Zach Collins. Seems like he’s the only guy who not only knows HOW to set a pick, but also WHEN and WHERE to set a pick. He’s young, raw and skinny (the kid disappears when he turns sideways) but I was still impressed by the small sample size. He can shoot, his footwork blew me away, especially on defense (we had good seats and he was playing right in front of us), he stuck with his man and he seemed pretty well aware at all times of what was going on (for a rookie with limited playing time). In other words, he seems like a Meyers Leonard with an actual basketball IQ and mental toughness. I’d love to see what he could do with more playing surrounded by seasoned starters.

In two years yes. But the dude completely disappears on the court (a negative 13 PER?! How do you even do that?!) and will be targeted by grown men more than a 15 year old at Roy Moore’s stag party. He needs time to season, but I don’t disagree.
 
In two years yes. But the dude completely disappears on the court (a negative 13 PER?! How do you even do that?!) and will be targeted by grown men more than a 15 year old at Roy Moore’s stag party. He needs time to season, but I don’t disagree.
I personally believe analytics are overrated but.......hard to buy that PER considering just how little playing time he’s actually had. I just don’t believe it’s truly reflective. Time to throw him to the wolves and watch him grow. I think the kid has the intestinal fortitude to succeed sooner rather than later.
 
I think the point is that what they are doing now isn't working. They need a lot more scoring from the 3&4 positions than they have right now. And sorry, but Pat is not a 3. The easy way would be to put Biebs, Layman, Harkless, Collins, Biggie out there and tell them if they don't try and score aggressively then they will be on the bench the rest of the year. Yeah, you would take some losses in the short term, but we need more people scoring. If none of them will step up then you try and trade for an underused scorer who is over 6'5".
 
Evan Turner, Maurice Harkless, Jake Layman, and the rookies are all bigger liabilities on the court than Meyers Leonard; take that how you will. I’m not saying he’s the best player on the team. But I’d rather have him out there than anyone not on the list I posted in the post you didn’t quote.

It was a joke.

Yes, New Meyers is playing better (in very limited minutes) than Old Meyers and producing more on the court (and making less money) than No Show Mo - the incredible disappearing man. I mentioned as much several times in the What Can Meyers Do thread.

BNM
 
The Aminu defenders always point out how he wins us games when he's on, but this thread highlights how bad of a strategy that is...because opponents are willing to take that chance, knowing he'll lose us 3 out of 4 games.
 
Sounds like a talent issue to me. Our forwards are just... terrible. Hopefully Collins and Swanigan will develop into good players because we got nothing there.
 
This is insane to say, but I'm going to just say it: in order, this should be our rotation (first five start, next four are our bench):

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This is stupid, but hear me out: In your starters, you get three legitimate ball handlers, four players who can hit the three, an offensive rebounder (Jusuf) and a defensive rebounder (Meyers). Ed Davis and Vonleh continue the rebounding, while Patty C rounds out the guard rotation. Aminu acts as a defensive specialist.

Like I said, stupid, but these are our nine best players, by the numbers and by the eye test.
Hey Man....Give Napier some!
 
Sounds like a talent issue to me. Our forwards are just... terrible. Hopefully Collins and Swanigan will develop into good players because we got nothing there.

Yep, last year starting power forward was our biggest weakness. Neil attempted to address that long term by using our three first round picks to select two power forwards. But, like many rookies, neither were ready to contribute immediately. So, we're left with power forward by committee.

This year, thanks to the disappearance of Mo Harkless, starting small forward is our biggest weakness. Last year, Mo was pretty close to average among the leagues 30 starting small forwards (I had him ranked at 16th based on an unweighted average of several basic and advanced stats). He was even pretty close to an average 3-point shooter (.351 vs. .358 league average). This year Mo has fallen off a cliff. All of his stats, basic and advanced, have plummeted and his third year in Portland is looking remarkably like his third year in Orlando (PER = 8.5 VS. PER = 8.4). Not a good trend!

The difference is ORL had a pretty good player, in Evan Fournier, that stepped up and took his place. Due the lack of other options at small forward, Stotts has resorted to using an undersized SG at small(er) forward, which isn't a viable solution as it leaves us undersized at all of PG, SG and SF.

So now, we need help, we need it soon and we need it bad, at the small forward position. At least at power forward, we get some defense and rebounding from Vonleh, Aminu & Co and have some hope for the future. We're getting nothing at SF, and don't even have any hope for the future.

I'm not one to panic, but we really need a trade to address this issue.

BNM
 
So, basically the complaint is that our small forward can't dribble? Is that it? Or am I missing something? Because explain to me why Kyle Korver is such a +/- leader then.

They can't shoot long-range to spread the floor, AND they can't dribble to punish the inevitable spread-out defense. The offense stalls when they touch the ball, because they pass when they're supposed to shoot, or they dribble when dear god please no.

How many plays in a row against Washington did we end a play with a player getting stripped or dribbling the ball off his foot? Four? Five?
 
I think with Nurkic out we need to try putting Turner back in the post. Start (gulp) Leonard (or if you're feeling really brave, Zach), and you've got a floor-spacing five, so you can afford to put your wing in the post. That should help. Turner is the same player he was when Brad Stevens made him a useful cog in a powerful offense.
 
I think with Nurkic out we need to try putting Turner back in the post. Start (gulp) Leonard (or if you're feeling really brave, Zach), and you've got a floor-spacing five, so you can afford to put your wing in the post. That should help.

Still leaves us with two ball handlers, three shooters, and two guys who like to handle the ball and shoot but can do neither well.
 
So, basically the complaint is that our small forward can't dribble? Is that it? Or am I missing something? Because explain to me why Kyle Korver is such a +/- leader then.

Probably has something to do with the fact that Korver is one of the top 5 3-point shooters in the history of the game and he gets to play next to one of the greatest players of all time.

In your scenario, who is our Korver, and more importantly, who is our LeBron?

BNM
 
Probably has something to do with the fact that Korver is one of the top 5 3-point shooters in the history of the game and he gets to play next to one of the greatest players of all time.

In your scenario, who is our Korver, and more importantly, who is our LeBron?

BNM
Note that the original article said:
IT'S NOT THE THREE POINT SHOOTING.
 

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