12 Year Old Boy with fake gun dies after shot by Ohio officer

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You're supposed to protect the people (and apprehend them if they act up and only shoot if you seriously feel threatened) cops not shoot a 12 year old kid who is probably afraid in this situation just as much as the bitch ass cop that shot him. I get it, cops can shoot someone that they feel is threatening them, sadly in this day and age feeling threatened is used very loosely here.
 
LOL I can't believe you're still pushing this bullshit about the parents being "the real criminals". Do you think any prosecutor is stupid enough to prosecute them? No? Then tell me again why they are "criminals". If being irresponsible by not "instilling the proper values/morales/judgement/respect" in regards to handling a toy gun in your children means you're a criminal, let's arrest a whole bunch of people.

Buying a toy gun for your kid is not a crime nor is it irresponsible, unless you're advocating to ban toy guns lol (and we don't know if he even got the toy gun from his parents). Not teaching (we don't know this either) the kid that he shouldn't take off the red tip and go pointing it at people might be irresponsible, but certainly no crime. How you can't comprehend this is beyond me.


You're projecting your fear of "guns" on this incident, which is clouding your judgement.

The video of the incident shows a kid all by himself walking around in a non threatening manner. A caller called to report that it's probably a fake gun that the kid is waving around. Police rushes in and shot the kid dead.

Are you really telling me that this situation couldn't have been handled better? You can use all the "whatifs" you want, but the worst possible outcome occurred only after the police showed up. And that's reasons enough to question whether the officers used unnecessary lethal force.


No, that's not my solution, but it sure is a hell of a lot better than killing an innocent kid (or is he guilty and should be shot because he was being stupid to you?). Should the police shoot and kill every kid that was reported to be waving a "probably fake gun" (but otherwise non threatening to the officers) around? Would you be more comfortable with that "solution"?


That depends on how the situation was handled, as it should be when trying to assess incident like this one. All we can do is look at what happened here (and not trying to project more to it). And what happened here is an innocent kid was shot to death before he was given a chance.

But I understand the chicken shit mindset. If someone looks or do something "threatening" (even if he's perfectly within his rights), let's call in big brothers to protect our asses (who gives a fuck about his rights!). An old, mean looking woman knitting on a public bench? Let's call the cops because she might stab me with those deadly, pointy things. A toddler that looks too old to still be wearing diapers? Damn, he might just be wearing a diaper loaded with explosives! Let's call the cops to kill the mother titsucker.

The asshole, law abiding citizen that's annoying you is just as entitled to be protected as you. You don't like the fact that he's annoying or maybe threatening you? Nut the fuck up or GTFO. And before you call me a keyboard warrior, I'd take the "GTFO" route every time before I'd call the cops to infringe on the asshole's rights.



Well, at least you're doing your part to help pussifying America. I'd say "nut up or GTFO", but that would requires a person to have balls.




You're funny. Im pussifying america, and I have gun fear? You're so far from right it's ridiculous.

From what *I* read from the original post, I made comments on, that's IT.

From what was reported initially in this original post, was that the boy was being a menace to society and scaring the shit out of other people with a gun that had its orange tip removed. The Police didn't know if it was real and what was REPORTED was that the cops told the kid to "raise his hands". I responded appropriately.



The kids parents are the real criminals. They should have instilled proper values and respect for firearms or replica firearms AND police into them. If you don't agree, then you do not have respect for firearms AT ALL.
And hey, dude, I am not stupid, I know a Prosecutor isn't going to charge their parents. It's more of a fucking "saying/belief" than anything else. The parents should be ashamed of themselves and ultimately are responsible along with the police in this situation.

Fact: *IF* The officers gave commands and the kid didn't listen, but instead reached into his waist band for the gun, I have no problem with them taking the next step. But from the NEW video evidence it doesn't look like that, so my position could change here.

Fact: More evidence came out after I initially made my comments (which were made on the OP); which have made me change my position on how the police handled this particular situation.

Fact: I have no fucking problem changing my position based on new evidence. I have no skin in the game, and I wasn't talking to anyone else but you dorks on here about it.


Chicken Little, Gun fear, Pussy? LOL As if dude. My Aunt is a Police Officer, and I have plenty of fucking firearms to deal w/whatever threat I need to. Have one in my glove box, supernova under my bed, a glock in my nightstand and another in a bathroom under the counter. Sooooooooo far from the truth talking about me. I just respect the shit out of firearms, most don't. Regardless if they are "Fake" or not.
 
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Chicken Little, Gun fear, Pussy? LOL As if dude. My Aunt is a Police Officer, and I have plenty of fucking firearms to deal w/whatever threat I need to. Have one in my glove box, supernova under my bed, a glock in my nightstand and another in a bathroom under the counter. Sooooooooo far from the truth talking about me. I just respect the shit out of firearms, most don't. Regardless if they are "Fake" or not.

Just be sure you leave the little plastic orange thingy on them. :tsktsk:
 
Just be sure you leave the little plastic orange thingy on them. :tsktsk:

I don't fuck around with replicas. I have the real shit, and real understanding of them.
But, do me a favor. Go wave your air soft gun around downtown without the orange tip. Report back here when done.
 
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As kids, we had cap gun/squirt gun fights all over the neighborhood. No one ever called the cops on us...and even if we had annoyed somebody, the cops would have yelled at us, not cut loose with live ammunition!

Yeah, I wonder what the heck has happen to this world too. It seem to me that people have gotten themselves so worked up over guns that they are the problem now.

The Cop in Cleveland that shot that kid as soon as he pulled up was wrong. I need no other input, however he is not the only one wrong I suspect. I expect if known the police policy is wrong also.
No doubt pushed into place by excessive fear of weapons and the lack of understanding that people must be enabled to protect themselves. The police have no mission to protect any individual
except perhaps the mayor, the chief, and designated officials. The individual is on his own and we damn sure don't need any police policy in force that will get a kid or a man drop on sight like this kid was, gun real or fake.

I am beginning to think that the front-line of the police should only be armed with the baton. That will indeed get him to call for backup where more than one head full of fear can be applied to the situation before deciding on lethal force.
 
I have a feeling you'll be right there to call the cops on him. :devilwink:

I just have this great idea of how to kill some sucker. Give some sucker something that resemble a gun. Call the cops and say the sucker is mean looking and scaring everyone. Oh, also mention that he carries something that looks to be a real gun (they won't care to check anyway). The sucker is sure going to die.

I was thinking just the opposite, I'm painting orange tips on all my guns. That will really confuse the cops.
 
A few years ago my brothers, their sons, and I were at our beach house. My nephews were out in the yard shooting their BB guns to the side of the house. The side of the house had foams to prevent the BBs from ricocheting. This guy, who was probably renting the house across the street for the weekend, ran over and yelled at my nephews to stop shooting. My brothers and I weren't around at the time to confront him, but my nephews (11, 12 and 14) aren't no chumps and promptly told him to fuck off and get off our property.

Thirty minutes later, two police cars arrived and two cops were standing outside my front door. I came outside to talk to them and saw two more cops snooping around our yard with hands on their holsters. By that time, my nephews were done shooting and had gone inside. I asked the two cops in front of me just what the hell they were doing snooping around my property and acting like they were ready to shoot someone. They told me that a neighbor had called about people target shooting across the street. I pointed to the BB guns laying around and told the cops that my nephews were shooting them in our yard. They had a look on their face as if to say "doh, what the fuck are we here for". They left thereafter.

I was a little pissed the fucker across the street had called the cops on us when we had done nothing wrong, so I took the BB guns and did some more target shooting. A few minutes later, the same two cops I was talking to came back. I asked why the fuck are they back again, and they said the same neighbor called and complained that us shooting our BB guns was scaring his little dog. I told them I wasn't doing anything wrong and they need to leave me the fuck alone and tell whoever it is that complained to fuck off. At least the one cop was understanding and told me they'll talk to my neighbor and I won't be bothered again.

See, it's people like that fucker who thought his comfort should supersede my rights and the incompetent cops who are too often eager to assert their "authority" that are dangerous. The thing is, if the guy had come to me or my brothers and told us that his dog was scared by the shooting (which was complete bullshit as BB guns barely make any noise and none of the BBs could have ricocheted anywhere), we probably would have told the boys to stop. But he thought his rights of being an asshole outweighed our real rights.

Well now I suppose I support a mans right (or woman) to have a gun as much as anyone. Now where you shoot the thing is another matter. I don't think it is wise or considerate of anyone to shoot in a neighborhood or even close to other peoples house.

Not all that many years ago when I move from the ranch to here, I still had a stock dog, Boarder Collie. He got real nervous when any shooting starts, There is a story behiind this but that's for another day. Anyway a neighbor here started shooting , many many rounds. It turns out that it was the lady of the house doing the shooting, renting the place while building a house for the owner.

My dog was freaking out so I went over and asked the lady to stop. She told me to fuck off. I started to explain farther about my dog when her other came at me hard, took a swing, and I had to help him lay down. I went home thinking shit! She called the cops. The Sheriff deputy came to talked with me but decided I had done no wrong.

Perhaps you might also consider you neighbors peace of mind.
 
It was BB guns that my nephews were shooting, and they were well within our yard. They shot facing our house. The house across is at least 50 yards away. We're talking about beach houses, where most are for rent and sparse. The guy was simply a dick who thought he could bully my nephews. I like to think I'm a considerate person, and if he had come to me first there wouldn't have been any problem.

I don't know about you but I don't take too kindly to people bullying my boys (when they did absolutely nothing wrong). And if you come into my house and give me shit about things that I have absolutely every right to do after I promptly told you to fuck off, you'd find I won't be so easy to lay down.

I see Uncle Ty. You are a bad man. Well I suppose I would have to dispense with the please. My take on kids shooting BB guns in the neighborhood is, I didn't allow my kid to do it, nor do my grand kids.
It does sound like you and I do disagree on what is considerate, too bad. Count your blessing, I am not your neighbor.
 
You guys are both queer, I told my neighbor that I'd beat him to death with his helmet if I heard him rev his Harley again. That was last year, I see it in his garage but haven't heard it running this year. Probably broke down......
 
Never said I was a bad man or any of that nonsense, but I'll be damned if I let anyone infringe on my rights. I don't see how that would be inconsiderate of me. I don't infringe on your rights, so I rather think it's you who is inconsiderate by infringing in my rights, no?

But let me get this straight. If I were to allow my kids to shoot their BB guns in my own property (that in no way affects you other than perhaps you just being a cranky old man who likes to tell people what to do), you would have a problem with that and would confront me yourself (because hopefully the police would eventually tell you to fuck off, too)?


LOL not that I'm afraid of people like you, but I do count my blessings the less I have to deal with them.

Oh no, you infer in error, I hate to tell people what to do. I asked the lady to please stop shooting
just as I would ask you. It does seem like a reasonable request since it is very unpleasant for the dog.

But then there is this little ordinance in our City just as there is in most.

9.28.020 Discharge of weapons

Except at firing ranges approved by the chief of police, no person other than a peace officer
shall fire or discharge a gun, including spring or air-actuated pellet guns, air guns or BB guns, or
other weapon which propels a projectile by use of
gunpowder or
other explosive, jet or rocket
propulsion.

Then we also have CC & Rs that also prohibit such activity.
So I would have no intent to inhibit your rights, no way, just a simple please comply like a good neighbor.
 
Oh no, you infer in error, I hate to tell people what to do. I asked the lady to please stop shooting
just as I would ask you. It does seem like a reasonable request since it is very unpleasant for the dog.

But then there is this little ordinance in our City just as there is in most.

9.28.020 Discharge of weapons

Except at firing ranges approved by the chief of police, no person other than a peace officer
shall fire or discharge a gun, including spring or air-actuated pellet guns, air guns or BB guns, or
other weapon which propels a projectile by use of
gunpowder or
other explosive, jet or rocket
propulsion.

Then we also have CC & Rs that also prohibit such activity.
So I would have no intent to inhibit your rights, no way, just a simple please comply like a good neighbor.
I was going to say your laws sound ridiculous until you mentioned the HOA rules. I'm good with them. The Harley asshole I mentioned was clearly in violation, I just give people a friendly death threat before going Narc on them.
 
In that case, I don't see how we would have any problem. The only thing I hate more than people infringing on my rights is me infringing on other people's rights.

Ha! I agree completely.
 
Oh no, you infer in error, I hate to tell people what to do. I asked the lady to please stop shooting
just as I would ask you. It does seem like a reasonable request since it is very unpleasant for the dog.

But then there is this little ordinance in our City just as there is in most.

9.28.020 Discharge of weapons

Except at firing ranges approved by the chief of police, no person other than a peace officer
shall fire or discharge a gun, including spring or air-actuated pellet guns, air guns or BB guns, or
other weapon which propels a projectile by use of
gunpowder or
other explosive, jet or rocket
propulsion.

Then we also have CC & Rs that also prohibit such activity.
So I would have no intent to inhibit your rights, no way, just a simple please comply like a good neighbor.

So you think it should be illegal to shoot a paintball gun in your own back yard? Paintball gun shoots a projectile via air. How about a nerf gun? That's spring actuated. Do you think someone should be arrested for shooting a rubber dart in their own back yard? Those inconsiderate bastards! Arrest them all!
 
I'm seeing a lot of people say that this never used to happen. Well, uh, times change. It wasn't often that you found a kid messing with what appeared to be a real gun. Guns weren't as idolized back then, nor were kids shown the incorrect and misleading image of guns that today's entertainment provides.

I know the officer was by no means correct in the situation, and it cost the life of an innocent 12 year old, but the kid should have known not to take off the orange tip, much less proceed to take said gun to a public area. It's not only the law enforcement that needs to be retrained, but a lot of kids don't know shit about guns or their effects (blame what you'd like), whether it be visually, physically, or mentally.

One thing I'm tired of reading is all the blame on the officer. He could have done it differently, but he was thinking about the safety of others. I'm not trying to justify the death of a 12 year old, but it should be understood that an officer's job is never easy.

Neither side is innocent.
 
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I'm seeing a lot of people say that this never used to happen. Well, uh, times change. It wasn't often that you found a kid messing with what appeared to be a real gun. Guns weren't as idolized back then, nor were kids shown the incorrect and misleading image of guns that today's entertainment.

What? They used to sell guns that looked real in toys r us. I had one. Boys have been playing army for thousands of years. My dad and all the boys in his neighborhood would put on World War Two surplus gear and play war. This is not new or unique.

What IS new and unique is the fear culture that is being promoted on this country. The fear of guns that has someone calling the police and the fear of the police to show up and shoot a kid.




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So you think it should be illegal to shoot a paintball gun in your own back yard? Paintball gun shoots a projectile via air. How about a nerf gun? That's spring actuated. Do you think someone should be arrested for shooting a rubber dart in their own back yard? Those inconsiderate bastards! Arrest them all!

You take large leaps there Nate. Sort of inferring wildly. I don't think a nerf gun is included with BB guns in the ordinance. Do you?
 
I don't fuck around with replicas. I have the real shit, and real understanding of them.
But, do me a favor. Go wave your air soft gun around downtown without the orange tip. Report back here when done.

Here in Beautiful Central Oregon open carry is as common as mittens in winter. Nobody, including the cops, has a problem with it.
 
You take large leaps there Nate. Sort of inferring wildly. I don't think a nerf gun is included with BB guns in the ordinance. Do you?

Based on what you pasted, it would fall under that ordinance. It specifically mentioned spring actuated. How about a paintball gun? Do you think it's ok to shoot a paintball gun on your property?


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Based on what you pasted, it would fall under that ordinance. It specifically mentioned spring actuated. How about a paintball gun? Do you think it's ok to shoot a paintball gun on your property?


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It looks to me like the ordinance is talking about BB guns and Pellet guns. I don't imagine nerf guns or paint guns existed when it was written. So what do you think it would work out to be?

Now the bottom line is if your shooting what ever the fuck it is and it is disturbing your neighbors
and they ask you, please refrain from shooting because you are scaring the hell out their dog or Aunt Minny, would you be a gentleman and decent neighbor?

Or are you going to stick to your guns and shoot where ever you like unless it is prohibited by law? That would be an asshole.
 
So you think it should be illegal to shoot a paintball gun in your own back yard? Paintball gun shoots a projectile via air. How about a nerf gun? That's spring actuated. Do you think someone should be arrested for shooting a rubber dart in their own back yard? Those inconsiderate bastards! Arrest them all!

I think it should be illegal to have an air soft gun in avatars.
 
If you live under the terms of an HOA, The Constitution and The Bill of Rights really don't apply to you in your home as you've voluntarily waived them in writing.
 
Do you think that the ordinance in your city should be re-written to prohibit the discharge of nerf guns and paint guns as well? How about water guns, too?

Marshmallow guns? Ping Pong balls? Kites? Baseballs and bats? Frisbees?

Holding your fingers so they look like a gun? Drawing a picture of a gun?

Speaking the word "gun"?
 

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