$127m -- Why is LA worth that? (1 Viewer)

[PapaG]

Chris Paul is my favorite non-Blazer, but to act like there aren't red flags for him on a veteran max deal seems irresponsible for any GM. With his knees, I can see him becoming a Roy or a Stoudemire in the next few years.

 

[Natebishop3]

Chris Paul is my favorite non-Blazer, but to act like there aren't red flags for him on a veteran max deal seems irresponsible for any GM. With his knees, I can see him becoming a Roy or a Stoudemire in the next few years.

But you have no problem giving LA a veteran max deal?

 

[PapaG]

But you have no problem giving LA a veteran max deal?

I don't have a problem giving either LMA or Paul a max deal, because 6 years from now there will be an entirely different cap level, and most likely a new CBA that takes hold for the 2017-18 season. Worrying about things 6 years from now is not how you win a title. If Olshey lets LMA walk or trades him, and the Blazers regress to the point they don't make the playoffs, he won't be around in 3 years, let alone 6 years from now.

 

[H.C.]

Chris Paul is my favorite non-Blazer, but to act like there aren't red flags for him on a veteran max deal seems irresponsible for any GM. With his knees, I can see him becoming a Roy or a Stoudemire in the next few years.

CP3 is only missing what? one meniscus out of four in one of his knees?
Roy was missing all four in both knees? or something like that?
I don't think CP3 will have the same issues Roy has had.

Worrying about things 6 years from now is not how you win a title. .

vouch.

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't have a problem giving either LMA or Paul a max deal, because 6 years from now there will be an entirely different cap level, and most likely a new CBA that takes hold for the 2017-18 season. Worrying about things 6 years from now is not how you win a title. If Olshey lets LMA walk or trades him, and the Blazers regress to the point they don't make the playoffs, he won't be around in 3 years, let alone 6 years from now.

Letting him walk for nothing would be catastrophic.

Not all trades would necessarily be a death sentence though, but like I said, I'm fine with keeping him. I just don't think he's worth that much money.

 

[PapaG]

CP3 is only missing what? one meniscus out of four in one of his knees?
Roy was missing all four in both knees? or something like that?
I don't think CP3 will have the same issues Roy has had.

Paul misses a lot of games. I don't see that getting any better as he gets older, unless you start limiting his minutes.

vouch.

If Olshey is worried about winning 6 years from now instead of winning next year, Paul Allen may as well fire him now.

 

[PapaG]

Letting him walk for nothing would be catastrophic.

Not all trades would necessarily be a death sentence though, but like I said, I'm fine with keeping him. I just don't think he's worth that much money.

That's a valid opinion, except I can already predict how the next 4-5 years on this board will be when LMA goes through a bad stretch, or even a bad game. I'm for trading him, only if I don't have to read the same posts from the same posters for the next half decade.

 

[Natebishop3]

That's a valid opinion, except I can already predict how the next 4-5 years on this board will be when LMA goes through a bad stretch, or even a bad game.

You mean the same way the board is when anyone goes on a bad stretch?

 

[dviss1]

How does one define what a player is worth? In revenue created? Wins contributed? Market value? Fan appreciation? Stability and cohesion? Alternative options?

He's the longest tenured Blazer. A large segment of the fan base would be very upset were he to leave. Along with Lillard, he's the face of the franchise. By that, I mean he gets national exposure, and when people outside of Portland think of the Blazers, they think of him. Other teams will likely want to offer him a $20M+ power year contract next summer. The team is basically built around him. As PapaG has pointed out, there isn't really a way to replicate what he provides of he leaves or is dealt.

I think all of these factors combined suggest he might be worth that $127M.

Best post of the thread. Repped.

 

[PapaG]

You mean the same way the board is when anyone goes on a bad stretch?

No, I mean the way that the team's star players are bashed when they don't average 40/20 for the playoffs. Well, at least LMA. Lillard hasn't been around enough yet for people to start really ripping his defense and shot selection.

 

[Natebishop3]

No, I mean the way that the team's star players are bashed when they don't average 40/20 for the playoffs. Well, at least LMA. Lillard hasn't been around enough yet for people to start really ripping his defense and shot selection.

Well, if he does end up signing something near that 127 mark, I think any criticisms will be warranted. If you sign the big contract, you get all the expectations that go with it. Have to expect that. He's on a very affordable deal right now.

 

[PapaG]

Well, if he does end up signing something near that 127 mark, I think any criticisms will be warranted. If you sign the big contract, you get all the expectations that go with it. Have to expect that. He's on a very affordable deal right now.

Yes, he's a 3-time AS on a less-than-max deal. It appears that you and a few others are setting yourself up for a lot of misery when he signs a huge deal with Portland. I find it foolish to be concerned with 6 years from now, but that's just me. What if Olshey somehow gets Durant, gives him a max deal, and then Durant develops major health issues that greatly impact his play negatively? Would that still be a good contract?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Like I said, probably more like 5/100 or even less if it means bringing in another max guy

 

[PapaG]

Like I said, probably more like 5/100 or even less if it means bringing in another max guy

No, that's what I said, stealer!

 

[Natebishop3]

Yes, he's a 3-time AS on a less-than-max deal. It appears that you and a few others are setting yourself up for a lot of misery when he signs a huge deal with Portland. I find it foolish to be concerned with 6 years from now, but that's just me. What if Olshey somehow gets Durant, gives him a max deal, and then Durant develops major health issues that greatly impact his play negatively? Would that still be a good contract?

You keep bringing up six years from now. Why would I be worried about six years from now? I'm worried about three or four years, when LA is in the middle of the contract.

Durant is worth a max contract right now. Is LA worth a max contract right now? Do you think he's worth 127 million as a player right now?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

You keep bringing up six years from now. Why would I be worried about six years from now? I'm worried about three or four years, when LA is in the middle of the contract.

Durant is worth a max contract right now. Is LA worth a max contract right now? Do you think he's worth 127 million as a player right now?

$25M per year...maybe. Recall that someone earlier this season (Bill Simmons?) estimated that LeBron is worth $75M power year to the Heat. Is LA not worth 1/3 of what LeBron is?

 

[PapaG]

You keep bringing up six years from now. Why would I be worried about six years from now? I'm worried about three or four years, when LA is in the middle of the contract.

Durant is worth a max contract right now. Is LA worth a max contract right now? Do you think he's worth 127 million as a player right now?

The contract doesn't balloon until the final two seasons. It's reasonable the first 3 years. You keep throwing out $127m like it's spread evenly over the course of the contract.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

No, that's what I said, stealer!

No that's what I said! You're the stealer!

 

[Natebishop3]

The contract doesn't balloon until the final two seasons. It's reasonable the first 3 years. You keep throwing out $127m like it's spread evenly over the course of the contract.

But that's what I'm talking about. It's around that third or fourth year that we will begin to see his game degrade a bit. We've already seen him lose some of his athleticism. So halfway through that contact is when his massive deal will start to really hurt the team.

 

[blue9]

Robin Lopez is better than Kevin Martin? or is it Ricky Rubio?

Take your pick! Lopez plays his role better for us, than either Rubio or Martin play their role for the 'Wolves.
I don't think Martin has EVER been a starter on a good team. He's fine as a back-up, but as a starter he blows. I'll take Wes over him 10 times out of 10. Sure, Martin might score more than Wes, but there's a whole lot more to the game than scoring. Swap Martin/Wes and HOU would have ran right through us. And I don't think Martin has ever been efficient at scoring - he's like LMA: someone who can only put up a lot of points on a lot of shots.

 

[H.C.]

Take your pick! Lopez plays his role better for us, than either Rubio or Martin play their role for the 'Wolves.
I don't think Martin has EVER been a starter on a good team. He's fine as a back-up, but as a starter he blows. I'll take Wes over him 10 times out of 10. Sure, Martin might score more than Wes, but there's a whole lot more to the game than scoring. Swap Martin/Wes and HOU would have ran right through us. And I don't think Martin has ever been efficient at scoring - he's like LMA: someone who can only put up a lot of points on a lot of shots.

So you completed ignored the rest of the post?
where I showed you that wasn't the case?

Also Martin shot 45% from the field with OKC and 42% from 3. in 27.7MPG
Yes it was in the 6th man role but that's because Brooks is obsessed with starting Sepholoshia or however it's spelt.

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

We arent winning a championship in the next 5 years if we let LMA go. Bookmark it.

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If we let him go? Probably not.

If we trade him for assets?

I like our chances a lot more if we trade him for valuable assets than if we sign him for 5/127 mill. Between Dame, Batum, and himself, that's gonna be like 55+ mill between the 3 of them. If he takes less than 127 mill, then its different because we can actually address other needs.

Does Dame/Batum/LMA sound like a championship core to you? Duncan/Parker/Manu? Nope.

Hell, Wall/Beal are probably a better duo then Dame/Batum will be in a couple years, anyway.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Hell, Wall/Beal are probably a better duo then Dame/Batum will be in a couple years, anyway.

Wall/Beal will pobably be the best backcourt pair in the league next year.

 

[blue9]

So you completed ignored the rest of the post?
where I showed you that wasn't the case?

Also Martin shot 45% from the field with OKC and 42% from 3. in 27.7MPG
Yes it was in the 6th man role but that's because Brooks is obsessed with starting Sepholoshia or however it's spelt.

Pretty much. You didn't provide any evidence. And besides, stats don't really tell the whole story. And PER - I don't give a whit about per. It can't be used in isolation, and I have a feeling that 99% of fans that use it as a sole comparitor don't even understand what the number represents. Besides, the difference in PER between Wes/Nic/Martin is so small as to be insignificant. The PER between Pek and Lopez is significant, but only because Pek is heavily relied upon for offense.
Also, Wes and Martin have essentially the same shooting percentages. But Martin can't play defense.
Also, also, it seems that you're supporting my opinion that Martin is only good as a bench player - that's how he was used in OKC and it's the only time he's positively impacted a team.
Regardless of the quibbling about Martin, it still stands that the Blazers have FAR MORE talent on their roster than the Wolves do on theirs. If you don't agree that our 5th best player is better than their 2nd best player - fine. But to suggest that the talent level between the two teams is anything close to equal is just silly.

 

[H.C.]

Pretty much. You didn't provide any evidence. And besides, stats don't really tell the whole story. And PER - I don't give a whit about per. It can't be used in isolation, and I have a feeling that 99% of fans that use it as a sole comparitor don't even understand what the number represents. Besides, the difference in PER between Wes/Nic/Martin is so small as to be insignificant. The PER between Pek and Lopez is significant, but only because Pek is heavily relied upon for offense.
Also, Wes and Martin have essentially the same shooting percentages. But Martin can't play defense.
Also, also, it seems that you're supporting my opinion that Martin is only good as a bench player - that's how he was used in OKC and it's the only time he's positively impacted a team.
Regardless of the quibbling about Martin, it still stands that the Blazers have FAR MORE talent on their roster than the Wolves do on theirs. If you don't agree that our 5th best player is better than their 2nd best player - fine. But to suggest that the talent level between the two teams is anything close to equal is just silly.

that's a pretty ignorant post which I will choose to ignore.
Even though it sounds like a personal attack in saying "you don't know what stats mean more specifically the "per" stat.
Which is attacking some ones knowledge. But hey choosing to ignore it, because there is grey area and that's how these forums work.

The only thing I'll reply to is your right the per between the players is insignificant.
Which furthers my point in saying the wolfs do have talent.
But you know, I understand how difficult it is to understand a persons post that's cool.

Bottom line is the wolfs 2nd best player in Martin is just as good as the Blazers 3rd best player. If I add in JJ Berea.. who arguable brings more to the wolfs than Martin then well.. It's not even close for the Blazers 3rd best player.
This is not saying these two players are better than the Blazers players. It's simply proving once again... that the wolfs do have talent.
Love is not a leader, and he's injury prone.

SMH all of your points in your posts.

 

[Mediocre Man]

that's a pretty ignorant post which I will choose to ignore.
Even though it sounds like a personal attack in saying "you don't know what stats mean more specifically the "per" stat.
Which is attacking some ones knowledge. But hey choosing to ignore it, because there is grey area and that's how these forums work.

The only thing I'll reply to is your right the per between the players is insignificant.
Which furthers my point in saying the wolfs do have talent.
But you know, I understand how difficult it is to understand a persons post that's cool.

Bottom line is the wolfs 2nd best player in Martin is just as good as the Blazers 3rd best player. If I add in JJ Berea.. who arguable brings more to the wolfs than Martin then well.. It's not even close for the Blazers 3rd best player.
This is not saying these two players are better than the Blazers players. It's simply proving once again... that the wolfs do have talent.
Love is not a leader, and he's injury prone.

SMH all of your points in your posts.

Can you ignore AND respond to the same post?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Wall/Beal will pobably be the best backcourt pair in the league next year.

Better than Lillard / Wiggins?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Better than Lillard / Wiggins?

Well, that's why I said "probably". If that particular improbable pairing materializes, it will of course become the greatest backcourt of all time.

 

[PapaG]

Well, that's why I said "probably". If that particular improbable pairing materializes, it will of course become the greatest backcourt of all time.

Brad Beal needs to make a quantum leap. He's a 14 PER/24 USG player who doesn't really play defense.

Wall is elite, but I'd take Lillard/Wes over Lillard/Beal for next season.

 

[riverman]

LA is worth a max contract in my view. It's Paul Allens money so I spend it without blinking