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Speaking as a Christian, the problem I have with these types of "questions science cannot answer" posts is the apparent disregard for the fact that "science" never claims to have all the answers; it is by definition a pursuit of understanding. Inability to answer questions yet does not necessarily invalidate a theory; suggesting that it does only makes the "asker" appear ignorant and arrogant.
 
Anyway, my point is that none of us really know.

That's been my point on this board, and others, for years. I find evolution to be much more plausible than 'creationism,' but I can never get over the fact that there aren't literally millions of genetic mutations in the fossil record. It always seems some big leap is made, as opposed to a gradual change, which is what you'd expect, with most of the mutations not be ideal for survival. Unless, of course, some unknown hand is guiding this always-positive idea of macro-evolution.
 
Speaking as a Christian, the problem I have with these types of "questions science cannot answer" posts is the apparent disregard for the fact that "science" never claims to have all the answers; it is by definition a pursuit of understanding. Inability to answer questions yet does not necessarily invalidate a theory; suggesting that it does only makes the "asker" appear ignorant and arrogant.

You haven't sat in on a biological evolution class lately, I take it.
 

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html

Whenever the creation crowd challenges scientists to come up with an answer to some perceived hole in the fossil record, a fossil that answers the critics is eventually found.

You do realize that a scientific theory is simply a WELL SUBSTANTIATED explanation for how/why something is the way it is. It is not some sort of uneducated guess.
 
I am going to respond to this thread. I'm in the process of moving back to Portland right now so I'm going to have a busy week and admittedly it can be very mentally taxing going 1 on 5 every time one of these discussions pops up, but I have strong opinions about this issue and I believe that truth is on my side. So when I find the time let's have a fun discussion and keep it civil.

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I am going to respond to this thread. I'm in the process of moving back to Portland right now so I'm going to have a busy week and admittedly it can be very mentally taxing going 1 on 5 every time one of these discussions pops up, but I have strong opinions about this issue and I believe that truth is on my side. So when I find the time let's have a fun discussion and keep it civil.

:cheers:

I think it's great to have personal truth, I truly do. Whatever gives you comfort in your process but it doesn't need to be a side. That's the glitch.
 
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html

Whenever the creation crowd challenges scientists to come up with an answer to some perceived hole in the fossil record, a fossil that answers the critics is eventually found.

You do realize that a scientific theory is simply a WELL SUBSTANTIATED explanation for how/why something is the way it is. It is not some sort of uneducated guess.

Your link is a nonprofit website in basic HTML format.

You do realize that there is the a thing called the Scientific Method, RIGHT??? LOL
 
1. How did life originate? Evolutionist Professor Paul Davies admitted, “Nobody knows how a mixture of lifeless chemicals spontaneously organized themselves into the first living cell. ”Andrew Knoll, professor of biology, Harvard, said, “we don’t really know how life originated on this planet”. A minimal cell needs several hundred proteins. Even if every atom in the universe were an experiment with all the correct amino acids present for every possible molecular vibration in the supposed evolutionary age of the universe, not even one average-sized functional protein would form. So how did life with hundreds of proteins originate just by chemistry without intelligent design?

2. How did the DNA code originate? The code is a sophisticated language system with letters and words where the meaning of the words is unrelated to the chemical properties of the letters—just as the information on this page is not a product of the chemical properties of the ink (or pixels on a screen). What other coding system has existed without intelligent design? How did the DNA coding system arise without it being created?

3. How could mutations—accidental copying mistakes (DNA ‘letters’ exchanged, deleted or added, genes duplicated, chromosome inversions, etc.)—create the huge volumes of information in the DNA of living things? How could such errors create 3 billion letters of DNA information to change a microbe into a microbiologist? There is information for how to make proteins but also for controlling their use—much like a cookbook contains the ingredients as well as the instructions for how and when to use them. One without the other is useless. See: Meta-information: An impossible conundrum for evolution. Mutations are known for their destructive effects, including over 1,000 human diseases such as hemophilia. Rarely are they even helpful. But how can scrambling existing DNA information create a new biochemical pathway or nano-machines with many components, to make ‘goo-to-you’ evolution possible? E.g., How did a 32-component rotary motor like ATP synthase (which produces the energy currency, ATP, for all life), or robots like kinesin (a ‘postman’ delivering parcels inside cells) originate?

4. Why is natural selection, a principle recognized by creationists, taught as ‘evolution’, as if it explains the origin of the diversity of life? By definition it is a selective process (selecting from already existing information), so is not a creative process. It might explain the survival of the fittest (why certain genes benefit creatures more in certain environments), but not the arrival of the fittest (where the genes and creatures came from in the first place). The death of individuals not adapted to an environment and the survival of those that are suited does not explain the origin of the traits that make an organism adapted to an environment. E.g., how do minor back-and-forth variations in finch beaks explain the origin of beaks or finches? How does natural selection explain goo-to-you evolution?

5. How did new biochemical pathways, which involve multiple enzymes working together in sequence, originate? (This video simply explains the concept of a short biochemical pathway.) Every pathway and nano-machine requires multiple protein/enzyme components to work. How did lucky accidents create even one of the components, let alone 10 or 20 or 30 at the same time, often in a necessary programmed sequence. Evolutionary biochemist Franklin Harold wrote, “we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical or cellular system, only a variety of wishful speculations.”

6. Living things look like they were designed, so how do evolutionists know that they were not designed? Richard Dawkins wrote, “biology is the study of complicated things that have the appearance of having been designed with a purpose. ”Francis Crick, the co-discoverer of the double helix structure of DNA, wrote, “Biologists must constantly keep in mind that what they see was not designed, but rather evolved. ”The problem for evolutionists is that living things show too much design. Who objects when an archaeologist says that pottery points to human design? Yet if someone attributes the design in living things to a designer, that is not acceptable. Why should science be restricted to naturalistic causes rather than logical causes?

7. How did multi-cellular life originate? How did cells adapted to individual survival ‘learn’ to cooperate and specialize (including undergoing programmed cell death) to create complex plants and animals?

8. How did sex originate? Asexual reproduction gives up to twice as much reproductive success (‘fitness’) for the same resources as sexual reproduction, so how could the latter ever gain enough advantage to be selected? And how could mere physics and chemistry invent the complementary apparatuses needed at the same time (non-intelligent processes cannot plan for future coordination of male and female organs).

9. Why are the (expected) countless millions of transitional fossils missing? Darwin noted the problem and it still remains. The evolutionary family trees in textbooks are based on imagination, not fossil evidence. Famous Harvard paleontologist (and evolutionist), Stephen Jay Gould, wrote, “The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology”. Other evolutionist fossil experts also acknowledge the problem.


10. How do ‘living fossils’ remain unchanged over supposed hundreds of millions of years, if evolution has changed worms into humans in the same time frame? Professor Gould wrote, “the maintenance of stability within species must be considered as a major evolutionary problem.”

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The horseshoe crab is one of thousands of organisms living today that show little change from their ‘deep time’ fossils. In the supposed ‘200 million’ years that the horseshoe crab has remained unchanged (no evolution), virtually all reptiles, dinosaurs, birds, mammals and flowering plants have supposedly evolved.

11. How did blind chemistry create mind/ intelligence, meaning, altruism and morality? If everything evolved, and we invented God, as per evolutionary teaching, what purpose or meaning is there to human life? Should students be learning nihilism (life is meaningless) in science classes?

12. Why is evolutionary ‘just-so’ story-telling tolerated? Evolutionists often use flexible story-telling to ‘explain’ observations contrary to evolutionary theory. NAS(USA) member Dr Philip Skell wrote, “Darwinian explanations for such things are often too supple: Natural selection makes humans self-centered and aggressive—except when it makes them altruistic and peaceable. Or natural selection produces virile men who eagerly spread their seed—except when it prefers men who are faithful protectors and providers. When an explanation is so supple that it can explain any behavior, it is difficult to test it experimentally, much less use it as a catalyst for scientific discovery.”

13. Where are the scientific breakthroughs due to evolution? Dr Marc Kirschner, chair of the Department of Systems Biology, Harvard Medical School, stated: “In fact, over the last 100 years, almost all of biology has proceeded independent of evolution, except evolutionary biology itself. Molecular biology, biochemistry, physiology, have not taken evolution into account at all. ”Dr Skell wrote, “It is our knowledge of how these organisms actually operate, not speculations about how they may have arisen millions of years ago, that is essential to doctors, veterinarians, farmers … . ”Evolution actually hinders medical discovery. Then why do schools and universities teach evolution so dogmatically, stealing time from experimental biology that so benefits humankind?

14. Science involves experimenting to figure out how things work; how they operate. Why is evolution, a theory about history, taught as if it is the same as this operational science? You cannot do experiments, or even observe what happened, in the past. Asked if evolution has been observed, Richard Dawkins said, “Evolution has been observed. It’s just that it hasn’t been observed while it’s happening.”

15. Why is a fundamentally religious idea, a dogmatic belief system that fails to explain the evidence, taught in science classes? Karl Popper, famous philosopher of science, said “Darwinism is not a testable scientific theory, but a metaphysical [religious] research programme ….”Michael Ruse, evolutionist science philosopher admitted, “Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today. ”If “you can’t teach religion in science classes”, why is evolution taught?

http://creation.com/15-questions

Good luck.

I asked dad about this, he just laughed and told me to go ask my mother.
 
Your link is a nonprofit website in basic HTML format.

You do realize that there is the a thing called the Scientific Method, RIGHT??? LOL

:crazy:

http://www.talkorigins.org

Talk.origins is a Usenet newsgroup devoted to the discussion and debate of biological and physical origins. Most discussions in the newsgroup center on the creation/evolution controversy, but other topics of discussion include the origin of life, geology, biology, catastrophism, cosmology and theology.

The TalkOrigins Archive is a collection of articles and essays, most of which have appeared in talk.origins at one time or another. The primary reason for this archive's existence is to provide mainstream scientific responses to the many frequently asked questions (FAQs) that appear in the talk.origins newsgroup and the frequently rebutted assertions of those advocating intelligent design or other creationist pseudosciences.
 
Whenever the creation crowd challenges scientists to come up with an answer to some perceived hole in the fossil record, a fossil that answers the critics is eventually found.

Of course then they complain about the missing link between these new fossils as well.
 
I know of a handful of controversial "transitional" fossils, some of which have been proven hoaxes. All the rest I see is clever artwork made by people who imagine what they would look like if they truly existed, but aren't actually there. Remember, if Darwin's theory is true there should be literally *billions* of transitional forms, which is why I always ask evolutionists to point me to the nearest natural history museum where I can personally view these subjects in person. But as always I get dodges, or the ole "every fossil is a transitional fossil".

Remember, most scientists in the world today start with a philosopical presupposition: naturalistic materialism. The dominant tragedy in our educational systems. Children aren't taught how to think, they're taught what to think.
 
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There are literally billions of transitional forms. Like 6 toed cats, which are a transitional form.

You have to be blind to miss them.
 
There are literally billions of transitional forms. Like 6 toed cats, which are a transitional form.

You have to be blind to miss them.

You're saying cats are evolving to have six toes now?? Is this an evolutionary advantage as well:

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Sounds more like a eff up in the genetics and a harmful mutation to me. (mutations are almost always a negative thing, and certainly don't magically create new genetic and DNA information)
 
You're saying cats are evolving to have six toes now?? Is this an evolutionary advantage as well:

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Sounds more like a eff up in the genetics and a harmful mutation to me. (mutations are almost always a negative thing, and certainly don't magically create new genetic and DNA information)

We don't know if cats are evolving to have six toes. What we do know is that it is a transitional form. One of evolution's roll of the dice.

Mutations are not necessarily a bad thing. They allowed fish to evolve lungs to breath the air.
 
We don't know if cats are evolving to have six toes. What we do know is that it is a transitional form. One of evolution's roll of the dice.

Mutations are not necessarily a bad thing. They allowed fish to evolve lungs to breath the air.

So the future for cats is six toes then? OK. Were they at the threat of extinction with 5? Do you have any citations that cats are undergoing a process of evolving six toes and that is going to be the standard for the future? And fish evolved lungs? Interesting, but another baseless assertion. This is crucial for Darwin's theory, but of course there is no actual evidence for it.
 
So the future for cats is six toes then? OK. Were they at the threat of extinction with 5? Do you have any citations that cats are undergoing a process of evolving six toes and that is going to be the standard for the future? And fish evolved lungs? Interesting, but another baseless assertion. This is crucial for Darwin's theory, but of course there is no actual evidence for it.

Evolution tells us that if 6 toed cats thrive and survive better than 5 toed ones, they will be the future. I don't have a crystal ball.

I didn't say cats were evolving such, just that a 6 toed cat is one of those billions of transitional forms you claim don't exist. But they do if you actually think about it.
 
Evolution tells us that if 6 toed cats thrive and survive better than 5 toed ones, they will be the future. I don't have a crystal ball.

I didn't say cats were evolving such, just that a 6 toed cat is one of those billions of transitional forms you claim don't exist. But they do if you actually think about it.

Like I said, a six-toed cat is a eff up in the genetics of the cat, just like that two headed snake I posted. It's not proof that it evolving in any sense that fits Darwin's theory. Unless you think Medusa will exist someday.
 
Like I said, a six-toed cat is a eff up in the genetics of the cat, just like that two headed snake I posted. It's not proof that it evolving in any sense that fits Darwin's theory. Unless you think Medusa will exist someday.

"eff up in the genetics" IS MUTATION.
 
And does that sound like a positive thing to you? Mutations usually lead to the death of the host. They are not a good thing.

Yep, there are billions of dead mutations or transitional forms that did not survive for even a few seconds. Billions of them over billions of years.

So what? It doesn't disprove Evolution. Not even close.
 
Yep, there are billions of dead mutations or transitional forms that did not survive for even a few seconds. Billions of them over billions of years.

So what? It doesn't disprove Evolution. Not even close.

Billions, huh? And where are these located? Like I said before, "every fossil is a transitional form" is a fallacy evolutionists use.
 
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Archaeopteryx is one of the most famous transitional fossils and gives evidence for the evolution of birds from theropod dinosaurs.

(this is like shooting fish in a barrel)
 
Interesting. Well the first subject you posted still exists today, so that's basically moot. And if a dinosaur were to evolve wings over millions of years of the evolutionary processes, wouldn't it become a bad leg far sooner than it would become a good wing? How would such a species survive in the wild over millions of years? Do you know how complex a wing is? It has it's own lubricating system for God's sake. Its aerodynamics are things people are still trying to emulate to this very day. Stuff like that does not happen by "chance".

It's like an explosion at an ink factory creating a stack of encyclopedias. Utter nonsense.
 
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Interesting. Well the first subject you posted still exists today, so that's basically moot. And if a dinosaur were to evolve wings over millions of years of the evolutionary processes, wouldn't it become a bad leg far sooner than it would become a good wing? How would such a species survive in the wild over millions of years? Do you know how complex a wing is? It has it's own lubricating system for God's sake. Its aerodynamics are things people are still trying to emulate to this very day. Stuff like that does not happen by "chance".

It's like an explosion at an ink factory creating a stack of encyclopedias. Utter nonsense.

Trilobites are extinct.

You don't get how Evolution works. There might be a six toed cat, a 7 toed cat, a cat with fur, a cat without. All at the same time, not one before another. Your dinosaur thesis just doesn't match reality.

Next bogus theory you want to have me disprove?
 
Trilobites are extinct.

You don't get how Evolution works. There might be a six toed cat, a 7 toed cat, a cat with fur, a cat without. All at the same time, not one before another. Your dinosaur thesis just doesn't match reality.

Next bogus theory you want to have me disprove?

Lol, you've disproved nothing, just pointless rhetoric. Okay, at what point did those cats supposedly evolving six toes ever show signs of being anything other than a cat?
 
Lol, you've disproved nothing, just pointless rhetoric. Okay, at what point did those cats supposedly evolving six toes ever show signs of being anything other than a cat?

It could take a long long time. Too long for any one person to observe since we have short lifespans compared to the life of the earth. Like 100 years lifespan vs. the earth's 4.5 billion years.

Like I said, I don't have a crystal ball. What we can do is look back in time at the fossil record and see how WE evolved from lesser mammals. That process took about 2.5 million years.
 
It could take a long long time. Too long for any one person to observe since we have short lifespans compared to the life of the earth. Like 100 years lifespan vs. the earth's 4.5 billion years.

Like I said, I don't have a crystal ball. What we can do is look back in time at the fossil record and see how WE evolved from lesser mammals. That process took about 2.5 million years.

Ok bro :smiley-laughing:
 
You're saying cats are evolving to have six toes now?? Is this an evolutionary advantage as well:

Sounds more like a eff up in the genetics and a harmful mutation to me. (mutations are almost always a negative thing, and certainly don't magically create new genetic and DNA information)

And does that sound like a positive thing to you? Mutations usually lead to the death of the host. They are not a good thing.


Your ignorance on the very thing you're critizing - science - is breathtaking. If you're really interested in answers to the questions you're asking, read a book or watch a tv show in its entirety.

Mutations happen all the time and are random accidents, and obviously therefore are often detrimental to the organism... but the natural selection of which mutations will last and get handed down to future generations are anything but accidents. Those that prove advantagous for survival will often survive, those that don't, don't.

Whatever you decide to do, just know that if you're disputing evolution, you're disputing scientific fact. You can dispute the origin of life, but not evolution. Not if you want to be taken seriously.

You should watch the entire video I posted, but at least watch the 4th segment explaining the evolution of the eye. If we didn't evolve from creatures of the sea, then please explain why our eyes originally evolved to see under water..?

But by the way, I don't think evolution and intelligent design are mutually exclusive in the least. Like everyone else, I came from the church of I don't fucking know.
 
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