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noknobs said:
Your ignorance on the very thing you're critizing - science - is breathtaking. If you're really interested in answers to the questions you're asking, read a book or watch a tv show in its entirety.

Mutations happen all the time and are random accidents, and obviously therefore are often detrimental to the organism... but the natural selection of which mutations will last and get handed down to future generations are anything but accidents. Those that prove advantagous for survival will often survive, those that don't, don't.

Whatever you decide to do, just know that if you're disputing evolution, you're disputing scientific fact. You can dispute the origin of life, but not evolution. Not if you want to be taken seriously.

You should watch the entire video I posted, but at least watch the 4th segment explaining the evolution of the eye. If we didn't evolve from creatures of the sea, then please explain why our eyes originally evolved to see under water..?

But by the way, I don't think evolution and intelligent design are mutually exclusive in the least. Like everyone else, I came from the church of I don't fucking know.
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I believe in evolution. Just not the hijacked theory of evolution that's taught by people that are committed to naturalistic materialism. Can you give me a single example of a positive mutation adding information to the genome? Also if you're from the church of "I don't f*cking know", how do you know the eye evolved underwater millions of years ago? Is it because your biology teacher told you? After all, you weren't there to observe it. Scientists are people like us and are not unbiased. But what is a fact is that we live in a world that hates God, so none of this in the academics surprises me in the least.
 
OdenRoyLMA2 said:
I believe in evolution. Just not the hijacked theory of evolution that's taught by people that are committed to naturalistic materialism. Can you give me a single example of a positive mutation adding information to the genome? Also if you're from the church of "I don't f*cking know", how do you know the eye evolved underwater millions of years ago? Is it because your biology teacher told you? After all, you weren't there to observe it. Scientists are people like us and are not unbiased. But what is a fact is that we live in a world that hates God, so none of this in the academics surprises me in the least.
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I can see you're not actually interesting in learning anything, so I'll quite wasting my time. Have fun!
 
noknobs said:
I can see you're not actually interesting in learning anything, so I'll quite wasting my time. Have fun!
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Are you just saying that because you have no answers to my questions? What's an example of a positive mutation adding information to the genome? Has this ever been tested or observed under the scientific method? (Observable/testable/repeatable)

And no I don't have time to sit down and watch a documentary right now. I will be logging off in a while but I will be back and may give it a look :)
 
X2XP said:
That's the glory of science, my friend. Since you say evolution is unable to be proven true, i assume you have absolute proof that God is the creator of the universe?
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Exactly. There are a whole lotta miracles and unexplained circumstances, whether you believe in religion or in evolution, or some mix in-between (where I am). Either way, you're taking some sort of leap of faith and believing in things that aren't fully explained.
 
OdenRoyLMA2 said:
And does that sound like a positive thing to you? Mutations usually lead to the death of the host. They are not a good thing.
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Do you even science?

Mutations are what help evolution take place...
 
X2XP said:
Do you even science?

Mutations are what help evolution take place...
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According to the theory of course, because that's the only conceivable way a change like that could possibly occur. That only problem though is we're talking about real life here.
 
Are there any references to these six-toed cats that are gonna be taking over the world soon? lol just kidding but really, I haven't heard much about them. Either way it's still a cat, and like Denny said we would have to wait millions of years to see if it would become anything other than a cat. Someone mentioned earlier about dog species, well that's kind of the same with cats. When the dog shows signs of evolving into anything but a dog then let me know, because that would be a real breakthrough. I believe in evolution, but I believe it has its limits. Even if Darwin's theory were true, I see no way the process could take place without a Creator. Information comes from an intelligent source, and DNA is a complex language and code for every living thing.
 
OdenRoyLMA2 said:
Are you just saying that because you have no answers to my questions? What's an example of a positive mutation adding information to the genome? Has this ever been tested or observed under the scientific method? (Observable/testable/repeatable)
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No, it's because of your response. So many of your comments in this thread are clearly questioning evolution itself, now you say you believe in it... Whatever.

What do you mean by "adding information to the genome"? I assume you mean adding new genes? Gene duplication happens all the time. We know how insertion works. Homologous recombination. Retrotransposition. Errors in DNA replication. What's the point in questioning whether a mutation supplies new "information", instead of altering the information? Why do you think that's important? Sounds to me like your actually arguing about the origin of life, not evolution or mutations.

OdenRoyLMA2 said:
And no I don't have time to sit down and watch a documentary right now.
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You clearly do...
 
OdenRoyLMA2 said:
Are there any references to these six-toed cats that are gonna be taking over the world soon? lol just kidding but really, I haven't heard much about them. Either way it's still a cat, and like Denny said we would have to wait millions of years to see if it would become anything other than a cat. Someone mentioned earlier about dog species, well that's kind of the same with cats. When the dog shows signs of evolving into anything but a dog then let me know, because that would be a real breakthrough. I believe in evolution, but I believe it has its limits. Even if Darwin's theory were true, I see no way the process could take place without a Creator. Information comes from an intelligent source, and DNA is a complex language and code for every living thing.
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"You don't need a super hero to accomplish something great."

What i mean is, we have so much proof that evolution is the origination of humanity and almost all other living things.

Intelligent sources may have become intelligent by themselves, and DNA is a very complex code, but i want proof that this code was written by a Divine Creator.
 
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I edited it. Realized how vague that sounded.
 
noknobs said:
No, it's because of your response. So many of your comments in this thread are clearly questioning evolution itself, now you say you believe in it... Whatever.

What do you mean by "adding information to the genome"? I assume you mean adding new genes? Gene duplication happens all the time. We know how insertion works. Homologous recombination. Retrotransposition. Errors in DNA replication. What's the point in questioning whether a mutation supplies new "information", instead of altering the information? Why do you think that's important? Sounds to me like your actually arguing about the origin of life, not evolution or mutations.
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I DO believe in evolution, and the fact that you think that's weird just proves my point even further. Evolution in society today has been turned into an ambiguous term that's usually only associated with the Darwinian theory. Like I said, I believe in evolution, but that it has its limitations. And that's logical. DNA is a complex code moreso than any computer code we have yet to create and are the building blocks that make every living thing. LOGIC would say there must be an intelligence behind that. If you walked onto a beach and saw scribbled in the sand "Bobby loves Katie", would you think it got there by chance or that something or someone put it there for a reason? Of course you would. How much more so with DNA?
 
PapaG said:
That's not a new species, thought.
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It's an example of a mutation of the existing species. It is not different enough to be its own species because they can reproduce with 5 toed cats.

It is called a polydactyl cat.
 
OdenRoyLMA2 said:
I DO believe in evolution, and the fact that you think that's weird just proves my point even further. Evolution in society today has been turned into an ambiguous term that's usually only associated with the Darwinian theory. Like I said, I believe in evolution, but that it has its limitations. And that's logical. DNA is a complex code moreso than any computer code we have yet to create and are the building blocks that make every living thing. LOGIC would say there must be an intelligence behind that. If you walked onto a beach and saw scribbled in the sand "Bobby loves Katie", would you think it got there by chance or that something or someone put it there for a reason? Of course you would. How much more so with DNA?
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You must have missed the part where I explicitly said evolution and intelligent design aren't necessarily mutually exclusive...? We'll just add that to the list of things you've not paid attention to, because as I already said, you're not interested in learning anything. You're just here to repeat something you read on some creationist's blog.
 
noknobs said:
No, it's because of your response. So many of your comments in this thread are clearly questioning evolution itself, now you say you believe in it... Whatever.

What do you mean by "adding information to the genome"? I assume you mean adding new genes? Gene duplication happens all the time. We know how insertion works. Homologous recombination. Retrotransposition. Errors in DNA replication. What's the point in questioning whether a mutation supplies new "information", instead of altering the information? Why do you think that's important? Sounds to me like your actually arguing about the origin of life, not evolution or mutations.
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There have been many mass extinctions in the history of this planet with new and different life forms replacing what was before them. This we know. In each instance do you believe god carefully designed the new life forms that replaced what existed before an extinction?
 
noknobs said:
You must have missed the part where I explicitly said evolution and intelligent design aren't necessarily mutually exclusive...? We'll just add that to the list of things you've not paid attention to, because as I already said, you're not interested in learning anything. You're just here to repeat something you read on some creationist's blog.
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I fully believe God could have used Darwin's theory to bring about life on this planet, only problem is that the evidence for it is severely lacking IMO and it also would contradict the biblical account and create a mess that many Christians have caved in to and tried to reconcile. I'm not of that school. Remember, without the theory of evolution you are essentially admitting we are created beings in a created world. Keep that in mind when you think about how that might rub people the wrong way, especially if the biblical testimony is true that we are born sinners and enemies of God.
 
Darwin taught God. That's a new one.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
There have been many mass extinctions in the history of this planet with new and different life forms replacing what was before them. This we know. In each instance do you believe god carefully designed the new life forms that replaced what existed before an extinction?
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Of course not... these mass extinctions didn't destroy all life on earth, did they? The life that survived, evolved, resulting in new dominant species, etc. But the origin of life on earth is still unanswered.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
There have been many mass extinctions in the history of this planet with new and different life forms replacing what was before them. This we know. In each instance do you believe god carefully designed the new life forms that replaced what existed before an extinction?
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This can be explained by Noah's flood. There were fossils of animals found on the peaks of mountains, that's a little hard to explain by evolution.
 
OdenRoyLMA2 said:
This can be explained by Noah's flood. There were fossils of animals found on the peaks of mountains, that's a little hard to explain by evolution.
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Yes because Noah's flood was the only flood to have ever taken place in that time period.

You know water covered nearly all of the earth long ago, right? (Unless you still think our planet is a couple thousand years old).
 
noknobs said:
Of course not... these mass extinctions didn't destroy all life on earth, did they? The life that survived, evolved, resulting in new dominant species, etc. But the origin of life on earth is still unanswered.
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If there is a flaw in Evolution, it is that it doesn't account for mass extinction type events. Dinosaurs evolved to dominate the planet for hundreds of millions of years. We're not even close to that kind of longevity. But without the ELEs, we wouldn't be the dominant species.

That is, things don't evolve from here to there in a straight line. The ELEs completely reroll the dice and species that weren't able to dominant are suddenly able to thrive and dominate. That's without developing some traits that make the species superior, it's just dumb luck that the species lived in deep water at the right time.
 
X2XP said:
Yes because Noah's flood was the only flood to have ever taken place in that time period.

You know water covered nearly all of the earth long ago, right? (Unless you still think our planet is a couple thousand years old).
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I have no concrete belief on how old the earth is because the Bible does not make any claim about that. But I do believe that man has only been on earth for about 5-6,000 years, and the fact that all documented human history goes back to about that time is pretty curious as well. Especially since the standard evolutionary theory states man has been in his current state for roughly 200,000 years. Did it take us 195,000 years to learn to use language and write?
 
OdenRoyLMA2 said:
This can be explained by Noah's flood. There were fossils of animals found on the peaks of mountains, that's a little hard to explain by evolution.
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No it doesn't. There were multiple extinctions that happened hundreds of millions of years before the story of Noah's flood happening. I'm talking about those.

Also some of those mysterious mountain fossils you mention help to show that dinosaurs existed for over $160million years. Why? They obviously weren't created in god's image. They didn't pray to him, worship him, even know who he is. If those things are so important to god why didn't god make those things a requirement of the dinosaurs existence?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
No it doesn't. There were multiple extinctions that happened hundreds of millions of years before the story of Noah's flood happening. I'm talking about those.

Also some of those mysterious mountain fossils you mention help to show that dinosaurs existed for over $160million years. Why? They obviously weren't created in god's image. They didn't pray to him, worship him, even know who he is. If those things are so important to god why didn't god make those things a requirement of the dinosaurs existence?
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The Bible says that only man is created in God's image, no animals.
 
OdenRoyLMA2 said:
I have no concrete belief on how old the earth is because the Bible does not make any claim about that. But I do believe that man has only been on earth for about 5-6,000 years, and the fact that all documented human history goes back to about that time is pretty curious as well. Especially since the standard evolutionary theory states man has been in his current state for roughly 200,000 years. Did it take us 195,000 years to learn to use language and write?
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We were able to use other form of communication before language and writing. Once humans realized writing and language were possibilities, they were quickly able to utilize this ability, thus bringing us to how we use it today.

Also, humans have existed for millions of years. We have skeletons that scientists believe are around 4 million years old. I know other factors play into this (such as skeletal erosion and the environment in which the skeleton was found) but 6,000 years is an absurdly low number.
 
X2XP said:
We were able to use other form of communication before language and writing. Once humans realized writing and language were possibilities, they were quickly able to utilize this ability, thus bringing us to how we use it today.

Also, humans have existed for millions of years. We have skeletons that scientists believe are around 4 million years old. I know other factors play into this (such as skeletal erosion and the environment in which the skeleton was found) but 6,000 years is an absurdly low number.
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I just find it funny that it just so happened to occur at the exact time the Bible testifies that God created intelligent man. Ecclesiastes 7:29.

Salt water also erodes bones and tissue, which can make fossils appear to be older than they really are. Plus, many dating methods we use are not that accurate, such as dating recent rocks as millions of years old. A lot of assumptions also go into them by people who are naturalists.
 
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Alright guys, I'm out! God bless and I might be back on later tonight if I have time :cheers:
 
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