15 questions evolutionists cannot adequately answer

[noknobs]

Please explain my hypocrisy...

I already did, but I'm happy to do so again.

What I don't put my bet on are theories that can't be observed.

My science hat is black and white. My spiritual side is about faith.

There's your hypocrisy. Let me know if you have any additional inquiries.

 

[magnifier661]

I already did, but I'm happy to do so again.



There's your hypocrisy. Let me know if you have any additional inquiries.

Lmao how is that hypocrisy? That is nothing more than someone that loves to read romance novels and scientific journals. Keep them separate to fill the different parts of your soul.

You seem a bit drab and assume I'm out to get science. That is farthest from the truth. As I said, I believe in evolution. And I think it's funny how I question abiogenesis and you people get all defensive. Who really are the sheep following the flock?

 

[Wheels]

it was written in some man-made book thousands of years ago by people who weren't even sure the world was round.

just a blurb on this part. Doesnt the bible make reference to the world being round?

edit: this was meant as a serious question... not to prove a point.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

just a blurb on this part. Doesnt the bible make reference to the world being round?

edit: this was meant as a serious question... not to prove a point.

No, it says it's flat.

Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)
Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)
Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)
Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)
Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV)

 

[Wheels]

not what I'm thinking of thanks though Sly. It was in reference to the Circle of the earth methinks. I'll check it out.

 

[magnifier661]

No, it says it's flat.

Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)
Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)
Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)
Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)
Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV)

Glad u used the kjv. Most accurate translation of the Greek translation.

 

[Wheels]

Here's what I was thinking of. Using KJV since thats what was used to answer part of my question. Kinda confusing how bible writers would talk about the world being flat, and it being so confused on planet earth with scriptures like this.

Isaiah 40:22
King James Version (KJV)

22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Job 26:7
King James Version (KJV)
7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

 

[noknobs]

Lmao how is that hypocrisy? That is nothing more than someone that loves to read romance novels and scientific journals. Keep them separate to fill the different parts of your soul.

That's cute that you're willing to equate the bible to some romance novel, but it makes it all the more perplexing why you'd blindly accept the romance novel as truth and get defensive when others critique it. It's just a stupid trashy romance novel, who cares

I find it hypocritical as it pertains to this conversation - seeking answers to the origin of life, etc. If you're willing to just take it on faith that God created man in his own image, without any evidence, then it's hypocritical of you to say that another theory needs to be held to a higher standard. Why is that? Because you say so? Why does your particular belief get to skate by on simple "faith"? If you're willing to question your own beliefs by the same standard and burden of proof, then by all means, question away on the limitations of science.

 

[magnifier661]

That's cute that you're willing to equate the bible to some romance novel, but it makes it all the more perplexing why you'd blindly accept the romance novel as truth and get defensive when others critique it. It's just a stupid trashy romance novel, who cares

I find it hypocritical as it pertains to this conversation - seeking answers to the origin of life, etc. If you're willing to just take it on faith that God created man in his own image, without any evidence, then it's hypocritical of you to say that another theory needs to be held to a higher standard. Why is that? Because you say so? Why does your particular belief get to skate by on simple "faith"? If you're willing to question your own beliefs by the same standard and burden of proof, then by all means, question away on the limitations of science.

I'm seeking answers to the origins of life? No I am questioning abiogenesis. So I can't question it? I think it's cute that you went an entirely different topic. Have I talked about the bible? Am I using my opinion in my faith? No you are.

How about u start getting back on track and debate me about the topic shall we?

 

[noknobs]

I'm seeking answers to the origins of life? No I am questioning abiogenesis. So I can't question it? I think it's cute that you went an entirely different topic. Have I talked about the bible? Am I using my opinion in my faith? No you are.

How about u start getting back on track and debate me about the topic shall we?

Abiogenesis is by definition the natural process by which life arose from non-living matter such as simple organic compounds, so yes, if you're questioning that you're seeking answers to the origins of life.

I already said you can question that process or whatever else, I just wish you'd also question religion and faith in the same way... you know, one in which evidence means something... but perhaps that's too scary a proposition for you.

 

[magnifier661]

Abiogenesis is by definition the natural process by which life arose from non-living matter such as simple organic compounds, so yes, if you're questioning that you're seeking answers to the origins of life.

I already said you can question that process or whatever else, I just wish you'd also question religion and faith in the same way... you know, one in which evidence means something... but perhaps that's too scary a proposition for you.

I think I have. I mean I accept evolution to an extent, which isn't the "Adam and Eve" concept. I've questioned the age of the earth and universe as well. You aren't seeing this?

 

[noknobs]

I think I have. I mean I accept evolution to an extent, which isn't the "Adam and Eve" concept. I've questioned the age of the earth and universe as well. You aren't seeing this?

How can you believe anything in the bible then? That doesn't make any sense to me. It would be like me reading a science journal, discovering numerous and significant errors, and then choosing to believe it anyways on faith, despite all evidence pointing to the contrary.

 

[magnifier661]

How can you believe anything in the bible then? That doesn't make any sense to me. It would be like me reading a science journal, discovering numerous and significant errors, and then choosing to believe it anyways on faith, despite all evidence pointing to the contrary.

I believe that interpretation on the origin of life, or descriptions are transcribed to men that lived for less than 30 years at a time. I believe they are inspired by God.

I put weight on the concept of Christianity because I've felt the presence of God. Some stories seem profound, but I'm sure the truth will be given to me when I meet him.

Why does it bother you that people believe in God?

 

[noknobs]

I believe that interpretation on the origin of life, or descriptions are transcribed to men that lived for less than 30 years at a time. I believe they are inspired by God.

And yet in this very thread you've stated quite clearly, "What I don't put my bet on are theories that can't be observed."

Interesting

I put weight on the concept of Christianity because I've felt the presence of God. Some stories seem profound, but I'm sure the truth will be given to me when I meet him.

Why does it bother you that people believe in God?

Why do you think it bothers me? All I'm doing it applying the same level of critique to your 'theory' as you were to a different theory. I'm simply asking questions.

Seems like every theory raises questions, so I guess man just needs to keep asking them and keep trying to find an answer. I for one am not going to criticize those who are actively seeking the answers to questions they admittedly don't know, as opposed to those who pretend they already know it. That's just me.

 

[MarAzul]

I hope some day even you can see the laughable hypocrisy and double-standard in your statements and questions.

You love to attack science for not knowing EVERYTHING, and then when anyone questions religion with the same level of critique, you sit back and simply say, "faith", like that's supposed to mean something.

Science at least tries to find answers, instead of religion which pretends it already knows the answers, since afterall, it was written in some man-made book thousands of years ago by people who weren't even sure the world was round. Of course THEY would know the origins of life, the purpose of life, what comes after life, and all the answers to the universe...

Study my friend, Study. It takes years to make sense of the good in the Bible. Look around you, the evidence is all about. Look at your neighbors. The men and women who live for the love of god or the fear of him
make vastly better neighbors than the scoundrels that live without constraint.

 

[Further]

Study my friend, Study. It takes years to make sense of the good in the Bible. Look around you, the evidence is all about. Look at your neighbors. The men and women who live for the love of god or the fear of him
make vastly better neighbors than the scoundrels that live without constraint.

I don't believe this to be true. Good people are good people regardless of faith. I have had good neighbors and bad ones, and in my personal experience religion did not play a big roll in their quality. Go to a prison, how many of those people are religious? The majority.

 

[noknobs]

Study my friend, Study. It takes years to make sense of the good in the Bible. Look around you, the evidence is all about. Look at your neighbors. The men and women who live for the love of god or the fear of him
make vastly better neighbors than the scoundrels that live without constraint.

Yes study... study the past and the countless atrocities that have been done at the hands of men of faith. In the name of God, etc. I don't need the bible to know how to treat others with respect. That's not evidence.

 

[Cryptkeeper]

:MARIS61:

 

[MarAzul]

I don't believe this to be true. Good people are good people regardless of faith. I have had good neighbors and bad ones, and in my personal experience religion did not play a big roll in their quality. Go to a prison, how many of those people are religious? The majority.

My goodness, that isn't very observant.

 

[MarAzul]

Yes study... study the past and the countless atrocities that have been done at the hands of men of faith. In the name of God, etc. I don't need the bible to know how to treat others with respect. That's not evidence.

A good place to start your quest is the book, "Who Wrote the Bible". That will help put the stories of the old testament in a proper perspective with the new testament.

 

[magnifier661]

And yet in this very thread you've stated quite clearly, "What I don't put my bet on are theories that can't be observed."

Interesting

Yep, we are talking science here. And with science, there are observations and translations of those observations. Theories without observation doesn't seem scientific to me; especially if they pretend to give answers with the knowledge of observation is probably never going to happen in our lifetime.

Why do you think it bothers me? All I'm doing it applying the same level of critique to your 'theory' as you were to a different theory. I'm simply asking questions.

Seems like every theory raises questions, so I guess man just needs to keep asking them and keep trying to find an answer. I for one am not going to criticize those who are actively seeking the answers to questions they admittedly don't know, as opposed to those who pretend they already know it. That's just me.

Could be the tone. It doesn't bother u?

 

[Further]

My goodness, that isn't very observant.

http://www.adherents.com/misc/adh_prison.html
" The data came from Denise Golumbaski, who was a Research Analyst for the Federal Bureau of Prisons. The data was compiled from up-to-the-day figures on March 5th, 1997. (Note that as of the year 1999, Analyst Golumbaski is no longer working for the Federal Bureau of Prisons; I had telephoned Analyst Golumbaski to request the latest figures, and was told by another analyst that Golumbaski was no longer employed there.) The data was requested by Mr. Rod Swift, who passed it on to me for my web site. I later called the Federal Bureau of Prisons and confirmed that the data did in fact come from their database."

inmate Religion numbers incarcerated percent of inmates

Catholic 29,267 31.432%
Protestant 26,162 28.097%
None/Atheist/Unknown 18,537 19.908%
Muslim 5,435 5.837%
American Indian 2,408 2.586%
Nation of Islam 1,734 1.862%
Rastafarian 1,485 1.595%
Jewish 1,325 1.423%
Church of Christ 1,303 1.399%
Pentecostal 1,093 1.174%
Moorish 1,066 1.145%
Buddhist 882 0.947%
Jehovah's Witnesses 665 0.714%
Adventist 621 0.667%
Eastern Orthodox 375 0.403%
Latter-day Saints 298 0.320%
Scientology 190 0.204%
Hindu 119 0.128%
Santeria 117 0.126%
Sikh 14 0.015%
Baha'i 9 0.010%
ISKCON 7 0.008%

 

[MarAzul]

http://www.adherents.com/misc/adh_prison.html
" The data came from Denise Golumbaski, who was a Research Analyst for the Federal Bureau of Prisons. The data was compiled from up-to-the-day figures on March 5th, 1997. (Note that as of the year 1999, Analyst Golumbaski is no longer working for the Federal Bureau of Prisons; I had telephoned Analyst Golumbaski to request the latest figures, and was told by another analyst that Golumbaski was no longer employed there.) The data was requested by Mr. Rod Swift, who passed it on to me for my web site. I later called the Federal Bureau of Prisons and confirmed that the data did in fact come from their database."

inmate Religion numbers incarcerated percent of inmates

Catholic 29,267 31.432%
Protestant 26,162 28.097%
None/Atheist/Unknown 18,537 19.908%
Muslim 5,435 5.837%
American Indian 2,408 2.586%
Nation of Islam 1,734 1.862%
Rastafarian 1,485 1.595%
Jewish 1,325 1.423%
Church of Christ 1,303 1.399%
Pentecostal 1,093 1.174%
Moorish 1,066 1.145%
Buddhist 882 0.947%
Jehovah's Witnesses 665 0.714%
Adventist 621 0.667%
Eastern Orthodox 375 0.403%
Latter-day Saints 298 0.320%
Scientology 190 0.204%
Hindu 119 0.128%
Santeria 117 0.126%
Sikh 14 0.015%
Baha'i 9 0.010%
ISKCON 7 0.008%

But, I seriously doubt any of these people are incarcerated because they were following the teaching of Jesus. No doubt, they all fucked it up or didn't have a clue in the first place.

I would even say it directly, no one is in prison in the United States for following the teaching of Christ, but there are many there that do not do it well.

 

[Further]

But, I seriously doubt any of these people are incarcerated because they were following the teaching of Jesus. No doubt, they all fucked it up or didn't have a clue in the first place.

I would even say it directly, no one is in prison in the United States for following the teaching of Christ, but there are many there that do not do it well.

my point wasn't that they were there because they followed doctrine, it was that being religious or atheist doesn't make one moral, and your contention about our neighbors that are religious being good vs the non-religious is fallacy.

 

[MarAzul]

my point wasn't that they were there because they followed doctrine, it was that being religious or atheist doesn't make one moral, and your contention about our neighbors that are religious being good vs the non-religious is fallacy.

No no, it is no fallacy. Nor will appearing religious make the difference. You will notice I didn't say religious, I said follow the teachings of Jesus. Following the teaching of Mohammad won't keep your ass out of jail. Look at all the jihadist in jails and Gitmo, so following Mohammad won't get er done, they did that right down the line. Just puffing some sort of religion won't work, you got to walk the walk to get er done, talk the talk just won't do. Now to be fair I think the Buddhist, the Jews, and the Indus have a path also, not many of them in prison for walking the path. Probably none.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

nobody here walks the walk at all times, so thats just a bunch of silliness anyways

 

[MarAzul]

nobody here walks the walk at all times, so thats just a bunch of silliness anyways

A whole lot of people don't stray far, and don't go to jail, don't get arrested, and don't mistreat their neighbor.

That would be good enough.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

A whole lot of people don't stray far, and don't go to jail, don't get arrested, and don't mistreat their neighbor.

That would be good enough.

So kinda walking the walk is "good enough"? That should be the church's new slogan

 

[Eastoff]

No no, it is no fallacy. Nor will appearing religious make the difference. You will notice I didn't say religious, I said follow the teachings of Jesus. Following the teaching of Mohammad won't keep your ass out of jail. Look at all the jihadist in jails and Gitmo, so following Mohammad won't get er done, they did that right down the line. Just puffing some sort of religion won't work, you got to walk the walk to get er done, talk the talk just won't do. Now to be fair I think the Buddhist, the Jews, and the Indus have a path also, not many of them in prison for walking the path. Probably none.

Have you stoned any adulterers recently?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Have you stoned any adulterers recently?

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