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Re: 15th Roster Spot (non) News
Well, we were able to trade his expiring contract for....oh wait.
Well, we were able to trade his expiring contract for....oh wait.
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Unlike an injured rookie, a vet actually could have helped this team, even in street clothes. And they could play, especially Collins, if someone did get hurt for a few weeks. Now if that happens, we're in even more trouble than we would be by playing our 15th man. I mean, since we have 15 guys under contract we wouldn't be able to pick someone else up, right?
But I suppose we could stack two of our PG's on top of each other and have them play center...
Unlike an injured rookie, a vet actually could have helped this team, even in street clothes. And they could play, especially Collins, if someone did get hurt for a few weeks. Now if that happens, we're in even more trouble than we would be by playing our 15th man. I mean, since we have 15 guys under contract we wouldn't be able to pick someone else up, right?
But I suppose we could stack two of our PG's on top of each other and have them play center...
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Too soon!
Well, we were able to trade his expiring contract for....oh wait.
Too soon!
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Even if somebody gets hurt, they still have to higher quality bodies behind them ready to go. You would have to hit the injury freight train for them to see minutes on any team that was expected to compete for playoff honors this year. As I said, if they are in the game, you are fucked anyhow.
Secondly, Patty Mills contract isn't guaranteed. We can cut him as needed if we want.
Thirdly, we have an NBDL affiliation for a reason. That reason is to take a chance on guys we think have a shot at playing in the NBA down the road one day.
Lasty, Collins flat out sucks. Sure he can rebound and foul folks, but otherwise he is a total stiff. Udoka would have a chance just because all of our SF are stinking right now. That is the only guy I would give a chance to at all, and that is because the guys in front of him just aren't that good.
Even if somebody gets hurt, they still have to higher quality bodies behind them ready to go. You would have to hit the injury freight train for them to see minutes on any team that was expected to compete for playoff honors this year. As I said, if they are in the game, you are fucked anyhow.
Secondly, Patty Mills contract isn't guaranteed. We can cut him as needed if we want.
Thirdly, we have an NBDL affiliation for a reason. That reason is to take a chance on guys we think have a shot at playing in the NBA down the road one day.
Lasty, Collins flat out sucks. Sure he can rebound and foul folks, but otherwise he is a total stiff. Udoka would have a chance just because all of our SF are stinking right now. That is the only guy I would give a chance to at all, and that is because the guys in front of him just aren't that good.
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I would rather have a potential starting PG down the road than a 4th string SF with no potential down the road. I LOVE Ime and I'm sure his 2 years of experience with the Spurs would come in handy, but I'm not sure it wins us more than one or two games this year.
And what if next year we realize he can really play at this level. Maybe he'll have trade value to a team looking to rebuild and give us a veteran that would be higher than our 15th man like Ime and Collins.
I would rather have a potential starting PG down the road than a 4th string SF with no potential down the road. I LOVE Ime and I'm sure his 2 years of experience with the Spurs would come in handy, but I'm not sure it wins us more than one or two games this year.
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Almost. He was the last pick (or close to) in the 1st round.
Manu, on the other hand, was a late second round pick.
Almost. He was the last pick (or close to) in the 1st round.
Manu, on the other hand, was a late second round pick.
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How the hell would we be fucked by having Ime play backup for a little while?
That's great, then why have him at all when we could have someone who could teach our youth some things, like Ime. It sounds like Nate and KP agreed with me, so I'll get over hasoos and the Vulcans disagreeing with me.
How the hell would we be fucked by having Ime play backup for a little while?
That's great, then why have him at all when we could have someone who could teach our youth some things, like Ime. It sounds like Nate and KP agreed with me, so I'll get over hasoos and the Vulcans disagreeing with me.
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Very troubled by this decision, although it admittedly is for the last spot on the bench. Forgive me for falling into MIXUM territory, but I think this offseason has been an abject failure. Andre Miller was a third-choice afterthought and seems to be killing the chemistry that the core of this team had been building over the course of several years. The wrangling of LaMarcus' contract may or may not be impacting his desire to play.
Plus the glut of talent they have reminds me of the 2000 Blazers.... two "starting lineups" which NEVER works. Perhaps it's a testament to KP's past success that he can't get a GM in the league to deal with him so the Blazers can trim the lineup.
The hype of this team's potential is really making me worry. Those old snakebitten wounds of 1992 and 2000 are starting to get sore, although I would hope that Roy, Greg, and LaMarcus are made of a different cloth than the earlier Blazer verisions, but we'll see.
Very troubled by this decision, although it admittedly is for the last spot on the bench. Forgive me for falling into MIXUM territory, but I think this offseason has been an abject failure. Andre Miller was a third-choice afterthought and seems to be killing the chemistry that the core of this team had been building over the course of several years. The wrangling of LaMarcus' contract may or may not be impacting his desire to play.
Plus the glut of talent they have reminds me of the 2000 Blazers.... two "starting lineups" which NEVER works. Perhaps it's a testament to KP's past success that he can't get a GM in the league to deal with him so the Blazers can trim the lineup.
The hype of this team's potential is really making me worry. Those old snakebitten wounds of 1992 and 2000 are starting to get sore, although I would hope that Roy, Greg, and LaMarcus are made of a different cloth than the earlier Blazer verisions, but we'll see.
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I think Andre was a decision we made and was going to be a blazer either by S&T or as a FA. We waited hoping to sign Hedo, then Milsap and even made an offer to Lee, then rather than trade for him we simply signed for him.
I think Andre was a decision we made and was going to be a blazer either by S&T or as a FA. We waited hoping to sign Hedo, then Milsap and even made an offer to Lee, then rather than trade for him we simply signed for him.
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People, people. Neither Ime nor Collins were going to play. Or if they did, everybody would be howling because they'd be playing ahead of younger players that "we need to develop". So this can only be bad if they were "great veteran influences". Now, maybe they were. But we've got Miller and Howard who are veterans who will actually play. And Mills has unquestionably the most talent of the three, and is very similar to Aaron Brooks, the like of which everybody was pining for when he was torching us in the playoffs.
I think this team would benefit by trading some young'uns for James Jones back. When he's healthy, he was much more important for the Blazers than Udoka ever was (and seems to have the same influence on Miami).
People, people. Neither Ime nor Collins were going to play. Or if they did, everybody would be howling because they'd be playing ahead of younger players that "we need to develop". So this can only be bad if they were "great veteran influences". Now, maybe they were. But we've got Miller and Howard who are veterans who will actually play. And Mills has unquestionably the most talent of the three, and is very similar to Aaron Brooks, the like of which everybody was pining for when he was torching us in the playoffs.
I think this team would benefit by trading some young'uns for James Jones back. When he's healthy, he was much more important for the Blazers than Udoka ever was (and seems to have the same influence on Miami).
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I'd rather have Mills in 3 years than Ime this year.
I'd rather have Mills in 3 years than Ime this year.
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Good...about time someone in "upper" management started to dictate a few things to those two guys....
Maybe they could also dictate to KP to get rid of Outlaw & Blake ASAP...and dictate to Nate to put his brain back in his skull and start Oden and Miller.....
If the coach and the GM won't do what needs to be done (as listed above) then someone up above them sure as he11 should....
Good...about time someone in "upper" management started to dictate a few things to those two guys....
Maybe they could also dictate to KP to get rid of Outlaw & Blake ASAP...and dictate to Nate to put his brain back in his skull and start Oden and Miller.....
If the coach and the GM won't do what needs to be done (as listed above) then someone up above them sure as he11 should....
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Keep in mind, just because Nate wanted him, doesn't mean he's a good player or good for the team. Or long for the NBA.
Case in point? Taurean Green. I'm still waiting for those 4 wins he was going to get us.
Keep in mind, just because Nate wanted him, doesn't mean he's a good player or good for the team. Or long for the NBA.
Case in point? Taurean Green. I'm still waiting for those 4 wins he was going to get us.
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Thank you lol
Anyhow...
Would you guys REALLY want a 15th man scrub who will NEVER play? Or a rookie prospect who has Tony Parker written all over him?
Thank you lol
Anyhow...
Would you guys REALLY want a 15th man scrub who will NEVER play? Or a rookie prospect who has Tony Parker written all over him?
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Minimum vets salary (as mandated by the CBA) > salary for a late 2nd round pick. Pretty straightforward, actually.
Minimum vets salary (as mandated by the CBA) > salary for a late 2nd round pick. Pretty straightforward, actually.
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Wow, so much delusion in this thread. I'm bookmarking this shit. Too funny.
Yeah, Mills is the answer. Just like Telfair. Just like Bayless. Just like Sergio. Julia just mentioned Green. No this time for reals, yo. I mean he scored 37 against the Ducks in College!
Oh you're so right, the Vulcan suites definitely should make all personnel moves from here on out, seeing as they've forgotten more basketball than KP and Nate will ever know...
Wow, so much delusion in this thread. I'm bookmarking this shit. Too funny.
Yeah, Mills is the answer. Just like Telfair. Just like Bayless. Just like Sergio. Julia just mentioned Green. No this time for reals, yo. I mean he scored 37 against the Ducks in College!
Oh you're so right, the Vulcan suites definitely should make all personnel moves from here on out, seeing as they've forgotten more basketball than KP and Nate will ever know...
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As a side note, could The Columbian update their web site layout? Good lord, it's like staring into the sun to read anything on those pages for too long.
As a side note, could The Columbian update their web site layout? Good lord, it's like staring into the sun to read anything on those pages for too long.
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I like this move.
We are going to have a hard enough time finding time for most of the roster as it is.
Ime would have been fighting for time with Batum/Webster/Fernandez/Bayless/Cunningham
Collins isn't exactly what I would call insurance, either. If Joel/Greg go down we're fucked anyways.
I like this move.
We are going to have a hard enough time finding time for most of the roster as it is.
Ime would have been fighting for time with Batum/Webster/Fernandez/Bayless/Cunningham
Collins isn't exactly what I would call insurance, either. If Joel/Greg go down we're fucked anyways.
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Julia?
I wasn't saying that actually. Are you having a difficult time reading today?
I believe my point was, and far be it for me to speak for me, that Nate doesn't have a great track record either, when it comes to roster spots.
Julia?
I wasn't saying that actually. Are you having a difficult time reading today?
I believe my point was, and far be it for me to speak for me, that Nate doesn't have a great track record either, when it comes to roster spots.
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So, when do we start the pool as to how many healthy bodies the team will have opening night? With Mills and Pendergraph, the max is 13. I would put the over/under at 10.
So, when do we start the pool as to how many healthy bodies the team will have opening night? With Mills and Pendergraph, the max is 13. I would put the over/under at 10.
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Freudian slip. Sorry Julie.
I was engaging in hyperbole with the Vulcan comment, and I do apologize, Judy.
I know what you're saying, and I disagree. Way to use a single example and act like it's a "track record". In fact, it's not really an example seeing as Nate doesn't have the final say as far as roster spots go. All he did was make a positive comment about one of his players. Pretty odd for a coach to do that, I know... Anways, and maybe you're not reading well today, but KP also wanted Ime. Anything to say about that?
Freudian slip. Sorry Julie.
I was engaging in hyperbole with the Vulcan comment, and I do apologize, Judy.
I know what you're saying, and I disagree. Way to use a single example and act like it's a "track record". In fact, it's not really an example seeing as Nate doesn't have the final say as far as roster spots go. All he did was make a positive comment about one of his players. Pretty odd for a coach to do that, I know... Anways, and maybe you're not reading well today, but KP also wanted Ime. Anything to say about that?
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What's with the name twisting bullshit....?
Can't have a civil debate w/o the shit slinging?
What's with the name twisting bullshit....?
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I'm only playing, making fun of my typo the first time, didn't think it was a big deal... Much like this entire topic. 
What's with the name twisting bullshit....?
I'm only playing, making fun of my typo the first time, didn't think it was a big deal... Much like this entire topic.
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One, it's almost a 600k drop in salary from Udoka or Collins to Mills.
Two, neither Udoka nor Collins can be optioned to the D-League to get some run. Mills can (when healthy).
Three, Collins is the 5th-best C we have/had (behind Oden, Joel, LMA, and Howard. Maybe JP as well).
Four, there is actually a reward in the risk-reward equation for Mills. Maybe he ends up like Sergio or Telfair, maybe he ends up like Tony Parker. Either way, we KNOW he's not going to be an aged Collins or Udoka.
Five, KP jettisoned Udoka two years ago when Ime just wanted a 2/3M contract (or about 400k more per year than he would've gotten this year). Sure, he's two years wiser now, but he's also two years older. He's also #4 on the SF depth chart, and maybe #5 or #6 on the SG depth chart.
One, it's almost a 600k drop in salary from Udoka or Collins to Mills.
Two, neither Udoka nor Collins can be optioned to the D-League to get some run. Mills can (when healthy).
Three, Collins is the 5th-best C we have/had (behind Oden, Joel, LMA, and Howard. Maybe JP as well).
Four, there is actually a reward in the risk-reward equation for Mills. Maybe he ends up like Sergio or Telfair, maybe he ends up like Tony Parker. Either way, we KNOW he's not going to be an aged Collins or Udoka.
Five, KP jettisoned Udoka two years ago when Ime just wanted a 2/3M contract (or about 400k more per year than he would've gotten this year). Sure, he's two years wiser now, but he's also two years older. He's also #4 on the SF depth chart, and maybe #5 or #6 on the SG depth chart.
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