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If web forums existed in the 1970s, this would have pretty much mirrored complaints about punk rock.

Coincidentally or not, I consider Nirvana the best punk band of the 1990s. Certainly they were part of the grunge movement, but I don't think that disqualifies them from being punk also. Genres overlap plenty.

I liked Nirvana's sound, but it's not in me to embrace what I perceived as defeatism in their message. I pretty much hated most punk and thought it amateurish and a copout.

For me, modern mainstream music peaked in the mid-70's and is now mostly embarrassing tripe with a few notable exceptions every few years.
 
That's how I feel, too. I don't consider what is labeled "country" today to really be country in any meaningful way. It's twang-pop rather than the form of folk music that it was, IMO, when Cash or Nelson did it. Today, the only real difference I can discern between country and mainstream pop-rock is a Southern accent and occasionally the subject matter.

Somewhere, someone feels the same about today's polkas.

I have the same dislike for punk and rap that my parents had for acid rock.

There is a magical musical era at some point in everyone's life, usually when they are young, the good old days, that cannot be replaced by new trends. The fond memories of life in that era are triggered even decades later by an oldie on the radio.
 
Everything since Yankee Doodle has sucked. The teens used to sit out in the yard humming it. Then the Star-Spangled Banner was released, but by then, the country had gone conservative and I wasn't into music anymore.
 
So who ever saw Courtney Love when she would play at the Satyricon?

In it's day that club got some great acts. I even remember seeing Jerome Kersey and Cliff Robinson there.

Yeah, Jerome and Cliff were really something. Too bad once they got the big recording contract they stopped playing Portland. I hear they are going to reunite for a new tour, hope that's true.

barfo
 
Yeah, Jerome and Cliff were really something. Too bad once they got the big recording contract they stopped playing Portland. I hear they are going to reunite for a new tour, hope that's true.

barfo

What was once funny, now seems old, tired, and a bit of an insult to the present's collective intelligence.

The Mork and Mindy of S2, if you will.

Still juggling three balls... ;)
 
What was once funny, now seems old, tired, and a bit of an insult to the present's collective intelligence.

The Mork and Mindy of S2, if you will.

Still juggling three balls... ;)

I'm proud to be associated with a fine show like Mork and Mindy. Definitely the high point of 70's culture.

barfo
 
I miss Satyricon and the drunken 2AM gyros. I had a lot of great memories playing there and watching other bands play there. It sounds strange, but once they turned the empty lot behind the club into a rental car lot, Satcon lost a lot of its energy. Some great stuff used to happen back there.
 
Ha, Papa G and I have about identical tastes in music.

Nirvana, Johnny Cash and Public Enemy. If you don't like those three and you are between 30-50 you aren't right in the head IMO.
 
Yeah, you might want to read the entire thread. We're already on influences.

My point was that Nirvana did not really change the world musically in the form of "never done before" in the way someone like the Velvet Underground did - they just had the good luck of somehow getting the recognition for a really good thing that happened before them. I, too, own many of the early Nirvana recordings - they are fantastic - but sometimes, imho, one is at the right place, right time to really have great success. I honestly believe that you had the sound and the production values before them - but the right person did not hear it to push it through the airwaves or something.

Does not take anything away from Nirvana - as I mentioned - Nevermind is amazing - and I do love their Unplugged in NY album (like Minstrel) - I am just not sure they had this mystical "change the world" quality about them. Not to be crass - but Cobain's untimely death probably added to that mystic imho.
 
Satyricon was great back in the day. I also enjoyed many many shows at La Luna.

My top 5 bands:
Social Distortion
Johnny Cash
Bad Religion
Rancid
Supersuckers or Green Day (cant decide)
 
Satyricon was great back in the day. I also enjoyed many many shows at La Luna.

My top 5 bands:
Social Distortion
Johnny Cash
Bad Religion
Rancid
Supersuckers or Green Day (cant decide)

La Luna will always be the Pine Street Theatre to me, just as the Roseland will always be Starry Night.
 
Two things.

1. Butt Rock is way more awesome now than it was in the 80's. It's fucking FUN. I love it now. Different perspective.

2. Let's talk about the current state of rock. Is it at an all time low with regard to popularity and quality? Just look at the billboard top 100, or Itunes top 100. It's incredible to me how irrelevant rock is right now. But on the flip side, I cannot think of many current rock bands that are worth a shit, either. Perhaps it's just lack of big time exposure. Or maybe it's because there isn't a rock song on the planet that could receive 86 million views for completely SUCKING!!!!!!!!! WHAT HAPPENED TO MUSIC?????????

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This chick is pulling in $27,000 a week between Youtube and Itunes. Maybe this is exactly why Rock is dead - because it's good!
 
Ha, Papa G and I have about identical tastes in music.

Nirvana, Johnny Cash and Public Enemy. If you don't like those three and you are between 30-50 you aren't right in the head IMO.

I never could get into Nirvana or grunge, despite going to HS in the South Sound in the early 90's. I've listened to it more in SingStar and Karaoke than I ever did growing up. I got into rap later (though I couldn't have a conversation like this with any of the stuff I like), so I'm a bit out on Public Enemy. But I love me some Johnny (but mostly, ironically, the stuff my dad calls "before he found religion", as if it's hide-and-seek or something:) ).
 
2. Let's talk about the current state of rock. Is it at an all time low with regard to popularity and quality? Just look at the billboard top 100, or Itunes top 100. It's incredible to me how irrelevant rock is right now. But on the flip side, I cannot think of many current rock bands that are worth a shit, either. Perhaps it's just lack of big time exposure. Or maybe it's because there isn't a rock song on the planet that could receive 86 million views for completely SUCKING!!!!!!!!! WHAT HAPPENED TO MUSIC?????????

[video=youtube;CD2LRROpph0]

This chick is pulling in $27,000 a week between Youtube and Itunes. Maybe this is exactly why Rock is dead - because it's good!


There aren't a lot of mainstream bands I like, though Radiohead is a big exception, but there are a lot of "indie" bands I like. Every year, I probably find 20-30 albums I like a lot.
 
What has surprised me is how narrow my musical tastes has become. I used to be able to listen to anything, from Neil Diamond to industrial music. My collection is a few hundred cassettes, a few thousand albums, two to three times as many CDs as albums and over two terrabytes of .mp3s (as of last count). I used to listen to the entire catalogue, and even if I didn't love it, I could appreciate it. Now I'm amazed to find myself listening to the same things over and over. I'm also much less open to accepting new music. In fact, it seems the only new music I find myself liking is stuff that reminds me of artists I already have in my collection.

I've read around age 35 you start becoming less receptive to new sounds, but I never thought it would happen to me.
 
...Sergeant pepper told his band to play.
 
What has surprised me is how narrow my musical tastes has become. I used to be able to listen to anything, from Neil Diamond to industrial music. My collection is a few hundred cassettes, a few thousand albums, two to three times as many CDs as albums and over two terrabytes of .mp3s (as of last count). I used to listen to the entire catalogue, and even if I didn't love it, I could appreciate it. Now I'm amazed to find myself listening to the same things over and over. I'm also much less open to accepting new music. In fact, it seems the only new music I find myself liking is stuff that reminds me of artists I already have in my collection.

I've read around age 35 you start becoming less receptive to new sounds, but I never thought it would happen to me.

Very interesting. I'm exactly 35, and I can attest that my tendency to be drawn to "new" music has diminished significantly. In fact, I'm going backwards. I'm obsessed with the 70's rock I used to hate when I was 25. Seriously. It's so strange. The song I listen to more than any other right now is Gerry Rafferty's "Baker Street." I would have completely dismissed this song 10 years ago as "70's garbage.......old. They're the foundation of rock, I prefer to live in the penthouse" That was my philosophy with music. Completely different now. Another band that I used to just think was ok was Van Halen, both incarnations. I currently am blasting VH as much as possible. In fact, "Dancing in the Streets" is now one of my all time favorite songs. So groovy. 10 years ago? Nah. I wouldn't have heard it like I hear it now.

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I never could get into Nirvana or grunge, despite going to HS in the South Sound in the early 90's. I've listened to it more in SingStar and Karaoke than I ever did growing up. I got into rap later (though I couldn't have a conversation like this with any of the stuff I like), so I'm a bit out on Public Enemy. But I love me some Johnny (but mostly, ironically, the stuff my dad calls "before he found religion", as if it's hide-and-seek or something:) ).


I was in my aunt's grey 90 Taurus heading east on 78th street by Fred Meyer's on highway 99 in Vancouver the first time I heard Alive by Pearl Jam. I thought that band would be my Led Zeppelin. I was disappointed in how that turned out, but between Alice In Chains, Stone Temple Pilots, Soundgarden and others the early 90s were awesome to me.

I HATED RAP AT THAT TIME..............still don't like 99 percent of rap but Public Enemy is amazing. I don't like it but I guess things happen that way (to steal a line from one of many amazing Johnny Cash songs)

If you want to see me dork out to the fullest, you should see me in my car singing the entire song the highwayman. I love doing the Willie Nelson part the best. Total dorkfest.

I read some posts later here about going to La Luna, I was there all the time. Getting yelled at by the security guard who looked like a fat Elvis. I was in the mosh pit tearing things up man. Either that or sitting on a couch in the balcony or hitting on 17 year old girls...good times.

For some reason a few bands stick out that I remember there...Weezer when Rivers or whatever the lead singer's name is was drunk as hell.

Gravity Kills, I remember the keyboard was on a three legged hydraulic machine that was awesome. L7 put on some great shows, hung out in the parking lot with them and remember one of the girls riding a fold up bicycle. Primitive Radio Gods was the one concert I remember leaving before it was over...sucked.

There were more, probably great ones that I am forgetting....good damn times.
 
17 years ago today I was 17 year old. Half a lifetime since, and I still listen to Nirvana. I don't care about celebrities or their personal lives, but when the music stops it's a sad day.
 

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