#2 offered up for Bynum

[PapaG]

Not sure I trust a guy with a shirtless pic on twitter

Classic, and topical as well, given a current OT thread.

Well done, sir.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

This guy is pretty legit. He broke the Carmelo-to-NY stuff before any of the national media. He's more of a NHL guy but he covers the Knicks better than any of the Blazers beatwriters.

 

[Ed O]

This guy is pretty legit. He broke the Carmelo-to-NY stuff before any of the national media. He's more of a NHL guy but he covers the Knicks better than any of the Blazers beatwriters.

The Blazers beatwriters are busy. Covering the Blazers.

Does he cover the Lakers or Timberwolves better than those teams' writers do? That is the question

Ed O.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

Howard will be a Laker. It's a matter of when. Howard wants to be the top dog in the west since he knows the only show in Florida is now the Heat.

I could see LA trading Bynum getting the #2 trading that with Gasol for Howard....

Course they still need a PG.... For 3mill they might be able to buy a pick and grab a Kemba Walker....

Who knows but the Lakers wont be down for long.

 

[PapaG]

This guy is pretty legit. He broke the Carmelo-to-NY stuff before any of the national media. He's more of a NHL guy but he covers the Knicks better than any of the Blazers beatwriters.

That was rumored for the entire season. Did anybody actually "break" that news? Carmelo himself even talked about NY while playing in Denver, and was never fined for it somehow, while Rudy was fined for something his agent said.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

Doesn't Gasol make 17 and change and Howard make 18 and change... LA offers the #2 and I bet Orlando bites on that.

Atleast the Magic get a good 7 footer and the #2 for that trade... Don't know any team can offer them anything better...

 

[Ghost Pepper]

On a side note the way the Lakers left the playoffs and the way Bynum spoke about not trusting each other out there... My thoughts were his days were #'d and he knew it. I think Howard and Kobe have already worked this one out.... We'll see!

 

[Minstrel]

If LA ends up giving up both Gasol and Bynum to get Howard, I don't think they'll be a better team. Kobe is past his prime and only going to decline further. They'll still be good, but they won't be great. The greater threat is if LA can get Howard for just Bynum at the trade deadline, because Bynum is many, many times better value than losing Howard as a free agent.

 

[PapaG]

Doesn't Gasol make 17 and change and Howard make 18 and change... LA offers the #2 and I bet Orlando bites on that.

Atleast the Magic get a good 7 footer and the #2 for that trade... Don't know any team can offer them anything better...

Good analysis. You just connected the dots, I think. LAL will have that #2 and draft for Orlando.

Howard is going to be a Laker.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

fisher?
kobe
artest
odom
howard

and NO bench...meh

 

[PapaG]

fisher?
kobe
artest
odom
howard

and NO bench...meh

I think that team is better than the Heatles, at least for a year or two. If LAL want to rebuild, they will try finding ways to get rid of Bryant. Since they aren't, adding an MVP-level center isn't a bad trade, IMO.

I think Howard-Bryant could win a title with that line-up in the next few years.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

I think that team is better than the Heatles, at least for a year or two. If LAL want to rebuild, they will try finding ways to get rid of Bryant. Since they aren't, adding an MVP-level center isn't a bad trade, IMO.

I think Howard-Bryant could win a title with that line-up in the next few years.

a big plus for the lakers was their 3 man frontcourt rotation

 

[Minstrel]

Since they aren't, adding an MVP-level center isn't a bad trade, IMO.

I think any time you can add an MVP-caliber talent in his prime, it's a good trade. I just don't think it makes them better in the short-term.

I think Howard-Bryant could win a title with that line-up in the next few years.

Unless they pull off another big impact deal in addition to getting Howard, I don't think they can. Bryant's reputation massively outstrips his actual impact at this point.

 

[PapaG]

a big plus for the lakers was their 3 man frontcourt rotation

It was until Bynun always got injured and Gasol couldn't handle Chandler/Dirk/Haywood in the playoffs.

I'd take a three-man rotation of Howard and Odom and some vet scrub over what Gasol showed in the playoffs this year.

It was obvious to me that the current Laker team either lacked inspiration or got old in a hurry.

Since they can't trade Bryant, moving Gasol and Bynum for a young player elite like Howard seems like an OK deal for the immediate future.

Who in the West will handle those two playing together? Teams in the East had trouble at time handling Jameer Nelson and Howard.

 

[Draco]

How many dominant years does Kobe have left? He has numerous lingering injuries and has lost much of his explosiveness. He basically never drove to the hole in the Dallas series, he settles for jumpers. He is an excellent shooter but he is not a top 5 player in this league anymore, in 3 years will he be top 20? The Lakers are giving up their second and third best player. I wonder if Howard will basically be in the same spot in 3 years stuck on a highly overpaid roster with an underwhelming supporting cast.

This is still a great deal for the Lakers, they get the best big man in the game. But this might not bring them the championships and the dominant team people expect. Can you imagine if instead Dwight went to OKC with Durant or New Orleans with Chris Paul? Those could be multi year dynasties. Dwight going to LA kind of pisses me off in that it feels as if the Lakers unfairly get all the franchise players, but this doesn’t make them anything close to as dominant as the 2001 Lakers or 1996 Bulls or even the 2011 Heat.

 

[Pinwheel1]

If LA ends up giving up both Gasol and Bynum to get Howard, I don't think they'll be a better team. Kobe is past his prime and only going to decline further. They'll still be good, but they won't be great. The greater threat is if LA can get Howard for just Bynum at the trade deadline, because Bynum is many, many times better value than losing Howard as a free agent.

Thats what they said when LA traded 5 decent guys for Kareem. It may take a couple of years, but it is always worth it. Assuming Howard stays healthy.
Orlando already got screwed by the Lakers once. If they trade Howard to LA they have no one to blame but themselves.

 

[huevonkiller]

I think that team is better than the Heatles, at least for a year or two. If LAL want to rebuild, they will try finding ways to get rid of Bryant. Since they aren't, adding an MVP-level center isn't a bad trade, IMO.

I think Howard-Bryant could win a title with that line-up in the next few years.

It is a great trade for LA, but Gasol had 14.7 Win Shares last season. LA still wasn't the best team in the regular season, and with more frontcourt depth.

Kobe was pretty worn down by the end of the year too, even with all that rest.

 

[Minstrel]

Thats what they said when LA traded 5 decent guys for Kareem.

And "they" were right. Abdul-Jabbar didn't even approach making them a title contender in the short term. It took drafting one of the several best perimeter players in history to become a legitimate title contender.

It may take a couple of years, but it is always worth it..

Yes, I said in a previous post that it's always a good trade to pick up an MVP-caliber player in his prime. But "a couple of years?" I think you're wildly underestimating how rare it is to get a Magic Johnson or even a Kobe Bryant. The current Kobe is fading and not dominant anymore. Maybe they'll get another in a few years, but I wouldn't give them good odds of it.

 

[Pinwheel1]

And "they" were right. Abdul-Jabbar didn't even approach making them a title contender in the short term. It took drafting one of the several best perimeter players in history to become a legitimate title contender.



Yes, I said in a previous post that it's always a good trade to pick up an MVP-caliber player in his prime. But "a couple of years?" I think you're wildly underestimating how rare it is to get a Magic Johnson or even a Kobe Bryant. The current Kobe is fading and not dominant anymore. Maybe they'll get another in a few years, but I wouldn't give them good odds of it.

Just because they got their asses swept by the Blazers in 76' didn't mean they were not title contenders. Kareem was the MVP of the league and the Lakers had the best record in the league. Yes It takes more than one star, but it when you have one of the most dominant players in the game, you have a good foundation to build on. Howard is. Bynum/Gasol are not.

 

[Minstrel]

Just because they got their asses swept by the Blazers in 76' didn't mean they were not title contenders. Kareem led the league in scoring and the Lakers had the best record in the league. Yes It takes more than one star, but it when you have one of the most dominant players in the game, you have a good foundation to build on. Howard is. Bynum/Gasol are not.

Yes, that's true. I did forget that the Lakers were the team the Blazers swept in the 1977 Finals, but the other years they were either not in the playoffs or not real threats to win the title.

Bynum and Gasol have been fine foundations. They've won a couple of titles with them. Again, you're not arguing anything I'm saying when you suggest that a prime MVP candidate is good to have. Before you responded to me, I had already said that would be a good deal. I simply said that Howard, a fading Kobe and not much else won't be a bigger threat to win the title than Gasol, Bynum and Kobe. If they can get another Magic Johnson, he'll go great with Howard.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Yes, that's true. I did forget that the Lakers were the team the Blazers swept in the 1977 Finals, but the other years they were either not in the playoffs or not real threats to win the title.

Bynum and Gasol have been fine foundations. They've won a couple of titles with them. Again, you're not arguing anything I'm saying when you suggest that a prime MVP candidate is good to have. Before you responded to me, I had already said that would be a good deal. I simply said that Howard, a fading Kobe and not much else won't be a bigger threat to win the title than Gasol, Bynum and Kobe. If they can get another Magic Johnson, he'll go great with Howard.

That's the problem. Once they get the first piece, they always get the second. Then guys like Odom and Artest will take less than market value to play there as well. The Lakers have a built in advantage because stars want to play in front of stars. (And live on the beach) Why teams always help them I will never understand.

 

[huevonkiller]

That's the problem. Once they get the first piece, they always get the second. Then guys like Odom and Artest will take less than market value to play there as well. The Lakers have a built in advantage because stars want to play in front of stars. (And live on the beach) Why teams always help them I will never understand.

I agree that they will eventually be a title contender again, and can get that second piece.

But Kobe isn't going anywhere and he gets 30 million a year. I don't think Odom is such a horrible contract either he had a career year. Odom is great bang for the buck.

I think they're stuck with the other pieces if they get Howard.

 

[PapaG]

Yes, that's true. I did forget that the Lakers were the team the Blazers swept in the 1977 Finals, but the other years they were either not in the playoffs or not real threats to win the title.

Bynum and Gasol have been fine foundations. They've won a couple of titles with them. Again, you're not arguing anything I'm saying when you suggest that a prime MVP candidate is good to have. Before you responded to me, I had already said that would be a good deal. I simply said that Howard, a fading Kobe and not much else won't be a bigger threat to win the title than Gasol, Bynum and Kobe. If they can get another Magic Johnson, he'll go great with Howard.

Others disagree. And then we get your opinion on Howard needing Magic Johnson v2.0 to win a title. I disagree with that as well.

 

[Draco]

That's the problem. Once they get the first piece, they always get the second. Then guys like Odom and Artest will take less than market value to play there as well. The Lakers have a built in advantage because stars want to play in front of stars. (And live on the beach) Why teams always help them I will never understand.

Well why do the Knicks have the longest playoff series winning drought in the NBA and why have the Clippers been horrible their entire existance? I agree the big markets have advantages, but there are plenty of big markets that have struggled just the same as the Minnesota's and the Milwaukee's. San Antonio has 4 titles and LA has 5 titles in the last 12 years. Tiny market Memphis and Oklahoma City have the two most talented young rosters in the west.

I think we all agree getting Howard is a good move for LA, but I just don't see them being able to add another superstar player anytime soon. They only have a chance of getting Howard now because they have one of the best young centers in the game and an all-star PF, once those assets are gone they will need to bring in talent with late draft picks and cheap free agent signings.

 

[huevonkiller]

Others disagree. And then we get your opinion on Howard needing Magic Johnson v2.0 to win a title. I disagree with that as well.

Yeah but 2010 Kobe is better than 2012 Kobe, and 2009 Kobe is much much better.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Well why do the Knicks have the longest playoff series winning drought in the NBA and why have the Clippers been horrible their entire existance? I agree the big markets have advantages, but there are plenty of big markets that have struggled just the same as the Minnesota's and the Milwaukee's. San Antonio has 4 titles and LA has 5 titles in the last 12 years. Tiny market Memphis and Oklahoma City have the two most talented young rosters in the west.

I think we all agree getting Howard is a good move for LA, but I just don't see them being able to add another superstar player anytime soon. They only have a chance of getting Howard now because they have one of the best young centers in the game and an all-star PF, once those assets are gone they will need to bring in talent with late draft picks and cheap free agent signings.

I go back to the 1970 season. Who has won the most titles in that time? I understand that other teams have had success. And small markets will continue to be competitive. But I am telling you they have a slight advantage. I hate the fucking Lakers, but I can't deny that the #1 most desired team to play for in Basketball is the Lakers.

I have been to a Clipper game and I have been to a Laker game this past year. And it was like I was in two different buildings. Completely two different crowds. Basketball players are sucked into the celebrity scene. New York used to be that way. But too many years of losing has diminished it.

All I am saying is when the Lakers get down, don't fucking bail them out by trading them a high pick (Magic/worthy) or a superstar (Kareem) They always find a way. Hell Kobe only would play for a big market. And Shaq wanted to be in Hollywood. How many years do you have to see it to believe they have an advantage.

Has anyone ever said trade me to Pinot or Micro brew country or I walk? Or damn I miss the rain........trade me to Portland!

Keep the Lakers down!

 

[maxiep]

The only way this makes sense is if Orlando is willing to trade Howard to LA and wants the #2 pick rather than Bynum. I don't know why they would, especially in this draft, but I guess you never know.

I still kinda doubt that LA really is interested.

#2 and Gasol for Howard isn't a bad trade for ORL if they think they're going to lose him for nothing.

 

[Minstrel]

Others disagree. And then we get your opinion on Howard needing Magic Johnson v2.0 to win a title. I disagree with that as well.

Cool story, bro. People disagree with people.

 

[Minstrel]

#2 and Gasol for Howard isn't a bad trade for ORL if they think they're going to lose him for nothing.

I agree with that. I just think Bynum and Gasol is better for Orlando, since I don't feel you're likely to get a better player than Bynum with the #2 pick in this draft. It's not an LA/Orlando deal I find unlikely...it's the LA/Minnesota deal.

 

[maxiep]

I agree with that. I just think Bynum and Gasol is better for Orlando, since I don't feel you're likely to get a better player than Bynum with the #2 pick in this draft. It's not an LA/Orlando deal I find unlikely...it's the LA/Minnesota deal.

The issue with Bynum and Gasol vs. the #2 and Gasol is that it's another $10MM in salary they have to trade/eat. They can use the #2 to pick Williams and quickly rebuild their frontline.