2008 GM Draft 1 Peer Evaluation Thread

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no offense to the other teams but my team and your team are by far the best in the Central Division
 
come on man Wallace isn't close to Iggy and Foster couldn't hold Dalemberts jock
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ Aug 13 2008, 07:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>come on man Wallace isn't close to Iggy and Foster couldn't hold Dalemberts jock</div>

I think Lee's better than Foster, too.

I do like Foster a LOT, though.

I would rather have Brewer than Bibby, too.

And to be fair, his top 2 players are better than my top 2. Like Arenas = Pierce (maybe) but Amare > Iggy.

Offensively.
 
PG: Stephon Marbury/Eric Gordon
SG: Mike Miller/Martell Webster
SF: King James
PF: Chris Wilcox
C : Jermaine O'Neal

I'm throwin' myself to the dogs.....rate it
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J_Ray @ Aug 13 2008, 07:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>PG: Stephon Marbury/Eric Gordon
SG: Mike Miller/Martell Webster
SF: King James
PF: Chris Wilcox
C : Jermaine O'Neal

I'm throwin' myself to the dogs.....rate it</div>

Heh

I'd play Miller at PG and Webster at SG.

Marbury once was an elite PG, but his spirit has been broken for several seasons.

Your team is much better than the current Cavaliers team. Not sure it would beat this year's Celtics tho.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ Aug 13 2008, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>come on man Wallace isn't close to Iggy and Foster couldn't hold Dalemberts jock</div>

I know Iggy is a winner and two years younger and Wallace has always been on a losing team so thats why Iggy gets the edge but if you just looked at the stats they are so similar.

Player A Player B
19.9 ppg 19.4 ppg
5.4 rebounds 6.0 rebs
4.8 assists 3.5 ast
2.1 steals 2.1 stl
45.6 fg % 44.9 fg %
1.2 3pm 1.2 3pm
.6 Blk .9 blk


A is Iggy and B is wallace, very little difference in stats

look how they faced off against each other.
http://www.btgraphix.com/nba/matchup.asp?e...gl&id2=3826
exactly the same

Dalembert is better than Foster no doubt but neither are game changers and both focus more on defense than offense and both are great rebounders. So even though Dalembert is better than Foster its much less of an impact than lets say Amare against David Lee or Pierce against Brewer
 
Foster can't win a starting job on a team that needs a C. Think about it. He gets his boards (lots of them, granted) against 2nd units.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Aug 13 2008, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ Aug 13 2008, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>come on man Wallace isn't close to Iggy and Foster couldn't hold Dalemberts jock</div>

I know Iggy is a winner and two years younger and Wallace has always been on a losing team so thats why Iggy gets the edge but if you just looked at the stats they are so similar.

Player A Player B
19.9 ppg 19.4 ppg
5.4 rebounds 6.0 rebs
4.8 assists 3.5 ast
2.1 steals 2.1 stl
45.6 fg % 44.9 fg %
1.2 3pm 1.2 3pm
.6 Blk .9 blk


A is Iggy and B is wallace, very little difference in stats

Dalembert is better than Foster no doubt but neither are game changers and both focus more on defense than offense and both are great rebounders. So even though Dalembert is better than Foster its much less of an impact than lets say Amare against David Lee or Pierce against Brewer
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don't base everything on stats. If you based everything on stats then Zach Randolph would be an All-Star
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 13 2008, 07:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J_Ray @ Aug 13 2008, 07:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>PG: Stephon Marbury/Eric Gordon
SG: Mike Miller/Martell Webster
SF: King James
PF: Chris Wilcox
C : Jermaine O'Neal

I'm throwin' myself to the dogs.....rate it</div>

Heh

I'd play Miller at PG and Webster at SG.

Marbury once was an elite PG, but his spirit has been broken for several seasons.

Your team is much better than the current Cavaliers team. Not sure it would beat this year's Celtics tho.
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LeBron James is practically my PG or the guy that everyone plays off of in my offense like the Cavs. The current Cavs team sucks besides LeBron, and look how far they've gotten the last 2 years. I added quite a bit of talent around LeBron, and considering playing with someone like him makes everyone try hard and want to win, I'm not worried about JO or Marbury under-performing. They aren't the franchise player anymore and would settle into doing their roles around King James and be good vets on the team. I still got quite a few bigs in mind that will help my team even if I get one, so I'm not worried not having anyone there on the bench yet.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 13 2008, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Foster can't win a starting job on a team that needs a C. Think about it. He gets his boards (lots of them, granted) against 2nd units.</div>

He started 52 games at center last year and averaged 27 mins 7.2 pts and 9.4 rebs.

If you say that about Foster may I be able to say Lee can't win a job on a team that needs a PF, first off he couldn't beat Randolph for a spot and second off he gets all his boards off 2nd units. He only started 29 games on a disgraceful Knicks team
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J_Ray @ Aug 13 2008, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 13 2008, 07:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J_Ray @ Aug 13 2008, 07:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>PG: Stephon Marbury/Eric Gordon
SG: Mike Miller/Martell Webster
SF: King James
PF: Chris Wilcox
C : Jermaine O'Neal

I'm throwin' myself to the dogs.....rate it</div>

Heh

I'd play Miller at PG and Webster at SG.

Marbury once was an elite PG, but his spirit has been broken for several seasons.

Your team is much better than the current Cavaliers team. Not sure it would beat this year's Celtics tho.
</div>

LeBron James is practically my PG or the guy that everyone plays off of in my offense like the Cavs. The current Cavs team sucks besides LeBron, and look how far they've gotten the last 2 years. I added quite a bit of talent around LeBron, and considering playing with someone like him makes everyone try hard and want to win, I'm not worried about JO or Marbury under-performing. They aren't the franchise player anymore and would settle into doing their roles around King James and be good vets on the team. I still got quite a few bigs in mind that will help my team even if I get one, so I'm not worried not having anyone there on the bench yet.
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Ye this is a really good team, you did a good job building pieces around Lebron. Marbury may not even be in the league next year but besides that everything else looks good
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J_Ray @ Aug 13 2008, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 13 2008, 07:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J_Ray @ Aug 13 2008, 07:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>PG: Stephon Marbury/Eric Gordon
SG: Mike Miller/Martell Webster
SF: King James
PF: Chris Wilcox
C : Jermaine O'Neal

I'm throwin' myself to the dogs.....rate it</div>

Heh

I'd play Miller at PG and Webster at SG.

Marbury once was an elite PG, but his spirit has been broken for several seasons.

Your team is much better than the current Cavaliers team. Not sure it would beat this year's Celtics tho.
</div>

LeBron James is practically my PG or the guy that everyone plays off of in my offense like the Cavs. The current Cavs team sucks besides LeBron, and look how far they've gotten the last 2 years. I added quite a bit of talent around LeBron, and considering playing with someone like him makes everyone try hard and want to win, I'm not worried about JO or Marbury under-performing. They aren't the franchise player anymore and would settle into doing their roles around King James and be good vets on the team. I still got quite a few bigs in mind that will help my team even if I get one, so I'm not worried not having anyone there on the bench yet.
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I don't really agree that this team is better than the current cavs team. Of course, I'm not willing to laugh off JO or Mebury, either.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Aug 13 2008, 07:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ye this is a really good team, you did a good job building pieces around Lebron. Marbury may not even be in the league next year but besides that everything else looks good</div>

Why would Marbury not be in the league next year? He practically was sitting out this year because Isiaih didn't want him and the Knicks were a mess. Why would you even try to play for a team that sucks donkey balls and they don't even want you? Marbury is still a good player, and would definitely be good on a team that wants him and has some other people to help him out. The Knicks have no playmakers, just a bunch of scorers that look for their shot. I don't see any problem with Marbury because he really just needs a change of scenery and he'll be alright.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J_Ray @ Aug 13 2008, 10:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Aug 13 2008, 07:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ye this is a really good team, you did a good job building pieces around Lebron. Marbury may not even be in the league next year but besides that everything else looks good</div>

Why would Marbury not be in the league next year? He practically was sitting out this year because Isiaih didn't want him and the Knicks were a mess. Why would you even try to play for a team that sucks donkey balls and they don't even want you? Marbury is still a good player, and would definitely be good on a team that wants him and has some other people to help him out. The Knicks have no playmakers, just a bunch of scorers that look for their shot. I don't see any problem with Marbury because he really just needs a change of scenery and he'll be alright.
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The Knicks want to cut him because they guaranteed Duhon the starting role. He also might play in Europe since hes said he'll gladly play in Italy last year

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07182007/sport...marc_berman.htm
 
Marbury is used goods. And again I say, When is Marbury ever on winning teams?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ Aug 13 2008, 10:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Marbury is used goods. And again I say, When is Marbury ever on winning teams?</div>

The year the before the Celtics won the championship KG was on a 32-50 team, Ray Allen was on a 31-51 team and Paul Pierce was on a 24-58 team.

If the right people are in the right environment they can win so that argument doesn't always work.

But Marbury has always been a headcase and hes a below average player as of now and should never be able to start again. I will agree with Jfizzle that he is "used goods"

But you still have a good team
 
the difference is KG, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce all have won as the best players on their teams. Stephon Marbury has been traded around the league and couldn't even sniff a winning season as the best player on a team.
 
You could have gotten a more reliable pg than Marbury.
 
Farmar/Sessions
Martin/Ariza
Granger/Ariza
Villanueva/Frye
Bynum/Frye

OKC 8 man rotation.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ Aug 14 2008, 12:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Farmar/Sessions
Martin/Ariza
Granger/Ariza
Villanueva/Frye
Bynum/Frye

OKC 8 man rotation.</div>
It looks like you duplicated your players. I did a double take lol.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ Aug 14 2008, 12:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Farmar/Sessions
Martin/Ariza
Granger/Ariza
Villanueva/Frye
Bynum/Frye

OKC 8 man rotation.</div>

Farmar should develop into a quality Pg, Sessions is a little more of an unknown. The starting five is young and talented but also very inexperienced. I think Farmar is the only one whoes played in a playoff game. Bynum will be a star but he just came off a huge injury so hopefully it doesn't hinder his development too much.

The bench is a good energy bench with the Knicks castaways and Sessions but they too have never really gotten that many minutes.

Villanueva isn't a good rebounder and he may struggle being a full time power forward but he certainly can score.

The key too this team is energy as this team could be the big five in a couple of years but as of now they lack a lot of experience and that may hurt them in close or important games. Show us this again in two or three years and we may all say this guy was a freaking genius. But right now they remind me a lot like this years Portland Trailblazers- all good young players but lack of experience will prohibit them from making a serious run this year - especially with Bynum only one year removed from that injury
 
PG: D.Harris/K.Lowry
SG: K.Azubuike
SF: R.Gay
PF: A.Horford/J.Maxiell
C: D.Milicic

Excuse me if there are misspellings.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ Aug 14 2008, 12:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>and the current Blazers roster is more talented</div>

yeh because they just added Bayless, Oden and Rudy Fernandez over the summer
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 14 2008, 12:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>PG: D.Harris/K.Lowry
SG: K.Azubuike
SF: R.Gay
PF: A.Horford/J.Maxiell
C: D.Milicic

Excuse me if there are misspellings.
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not really a great team especially if you compare it with other teams. Harris is solid, Gay should be an allstar this year and Hortford looks like he will be a star too. Lowry and Maxiell are good backups but you have huge holes at SG and C. Those two guys should not be starters in the league but rather the seventh or eighth guy off the bench.

This team is going to have a lot of trouble scoring points. Gay is the only scorer and if teams lock down on him this team is in for a good lottery pick next year
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Aug 13 2008, 09:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 14 2008, 12:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>PG: D.Harris/K.Lowry
SG: K.Azubuike
SF: R.Gay
PF: A.Horford/J.Maxiell
C: D.Milicic

Excuse me if there are misspellings.
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not really a great team especially if you compare it with other teams. Harris is solid, Gay should be an allstar this year and Hortford looks like he will be a star too. Lowry and Maxiell are good backups but you have huge holes at SG and C. Those two guys should not be starters in the league but rather the seventh or eighth guy off the bench.

This team is going to have a lot of trouble scoring points. Gay is the only scorer and if teams lock down on him this team is in for a good lottery pick next year
</div>

Well I'll be damned, kk30 and myself agree on something for once.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Aug 13 2008, 11:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ Aug 14 2008, 12:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Farmar/Sessions
Martin/Ariza
Granger/Ariza
Villanueva/Frye
Bynum/Frye

OKC 8 man rotation.</div>

Farmar should develop into a quality Pg, Sessions is a little more of an unknown. The starting five is young and talented but also very inexperienced. I think Farmar is the only one whoes played in a playoff game. Bynum will be a star but he just came off a huge injury so hopefully it doesn't hinder his development too much.

The bench is a good energy bench with the Knicks castaways and Sessions but they too have never really gotten that many minutes.

Villanueva isn't a good rebounder and he may struggle being a full time power forward but he certainly can score.

The key too this team is energy as this team could be the big five in a couple of years but as of now they lack a lot of experience and that may hurt them in close or important games. Show us this again in two or three years and we may all say this guy was a freaking genius. But right now they remind me a lot like this years Portland Trailblazers- all good young players but lack of experience will prohibit them from making a serious run this year - especially with Bynum only one year removed from that injury
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Thanks, glad someone else likes it. I think that while this team is inexperienced (the oldest player is 25) it fits together very well. The team will be able to run a lot. Bynum, Granger and Ariza are very good on D, and Martin and Farmar are solid as well. Granger and Villanueva are pretty interchangeable at the forward spots, either can play either spot on either end of the floor, so Granger can take on the better defender, and help make up for CVs rebounding troubles. I also think that Bynum can take care of the inside, and CV and Frye should help give him plenty of space. Martin, Farmar and Granger can also spread the floor and drive, so they can fit in the offense however they are needed, as they can all handle the ball pretty well also. I think that the team covers its own weaknesses pretty well, and should be able to put up a lot of points.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Aug 14 2008, 12:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 14 2008, 12:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>PG: D.Harris/K.Lowry
SG: K.Azubuike
SF: R.Gay
PF: A.Horford/J.Maxiell
C: D.Milicic

Excuse me if there are misspellings.
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not really a great team especially if you compare it with other teams. Harris is solid, Gay should be an allstar this year and Hortford looks like he will be a star too. Lowry and Maxiell are good backups but you have huge holes at SG and C. Those two guys should not be starters in the league but rather the seventh or eighth guy off the bench.

This team is going to have a lot of trouble scoring points. Gay is the only scorer and if teams lock down on him this team is in for a good lottery pick next year
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So what you suggest? Move Horford to the C role and Maxiell to the starting pf role so Milicic can provide his shot blocking off the bench? I dont agree about Milicic not being a starting center when there are so few starting calbur ones.

While I do agree that if the defense starts to put more pressure on Gay, the team will have a harder time scoring, but I believe Horford(post presence) and Harris(speed and slashing) can pick up the remaining load. Azubuike can play half and full court pretty well, whether he is using screens to get open for the 20 ftrs he can knock down consistently(and the 3) or using his athleticism on the fast break. I put Milicic into the starting unit for mostly rebounding, defense and shot blocking(and other forms of help defense). Sad to say his offense would mostly be tip ins and keeping the ball alive around the basket. Lowry and Maxiell should be able to keep pace with the right players on the bench.

Essentially the three weapons I have on offense are Gay, Horford, and Harris. Two of which are near allstars. Azubuike and Milicic's jobs are basically to hit open shots(Azubuike) and tip-ins/ close range(Milicic). And they can play both half and full court offense(except Milicic, he sticks to half court).
Defense, well, at best this team may be average. Harris is one of the better pgs when it comes to defense, and Horford, Milicic, Maxiell provide some decent frontcourt defense. Gay has length(he's 6'9") but I dont know much about him when it comes to defense. Azubuike is another one i dont know much about when it comes to his defense.
 
I think your defense is very good, actually, Horford and Darko should do well guarding anyone, and Harris can handle most points well. Gay is pretty good as well, i think. I don't know much about Azuibuke, but I think I've heard him called a good defender.
 
I just decided to go with balance.

kk30 is right though when it comes to my sg and c being the weakest spots. Though I think Milicic is actually a starting center, an average one at best currently, Azubuike is only a bit above average. Nothing special but he is young(24) and has room to improve. I picked him because he improved his game rather well.
 
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