2008 GM Draft 1 Peer Evaluation Thread

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ah, the old "how much hoops do you watch?" dodge.

Yawn.

I've had NBA LP since before the Bulls were champs and watch lots of games and have seen all the teams play more than once (last season).</div>


Well you had me fooled, I'll tell you that.

Some of the stuff you are saying about LMA and Bogut being stupid players is just mind boggling. Absolutely mind boggling. Do me a personal favor this year, and watch about 10 Bucks games.
 
Aldridge isn't a stupid player by any means. He's actually pretty smart.

Don't know about Bogut as I haven't been able to watch many games of him.
 
Hey, pre-season, I was talking up the Hawks as the dark horse team to watch. They took the Celtics to 7 games in the playoffs and almost beat them.

My take on Portland is they're going to be a slow, plodding, half-court team that may not at all be as well constructed as people think. And Atlanta is still the team to watch in the East, along with the Magic. Boston's still the favorite.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 4 2008, 05:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ah, the old "how much hoops do you watch?" dodge.

Yawn.

I've had NBA LP since before the Bulls were champs and watch lots of games and have seen all the teams play more than once (last season).</div>


Well you had me fooled, I'll tell you that.

Some of the stuff you are saying about LMA and Bogut being stupid players is just mind boggling. Absolutely mind boggling. Do me a personal favor this year, and watch about 10 Bucks games.
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LOL

Again, when the facts aren't on your side, the best strategy is to attack the person you're debating. Old, worn out tactic.

I can see you can't handle it when someone dumps a little on your team, like you dump on others'.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 4 2008, 05:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ah, the old "how much hoops do you watch?" dodge.

Yawn.

I've had NBA LP since before the Bulls were champs and watch lots of games and have seen all the teams play more than once (last season).</div>


Well you had me fooled, I'll tell you that.

Some of the stuff you are saying about LMA and Bogut being stupid players is just mind boggling. Absolutely mind boggling. Do me a personal favor this year, and watch about 10 Bucks games.
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LOL

Again, when the facts aren't on your side, the best strategy is to attack the person you're debating. Old, worn out tactic.

I can see you can't handle it when someone dumps a little on your team, like you dump on others'.
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You can't measure basketball IQ in numbers and stats, which seem to be your forte, so I don't know what to tell you. IMO, the best way to see something like that is to watch players and see how they are on the court. You saying that LMA and Bogut are stupid players tells me you don't watch them. When I state that, it's not ad-hominem.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Again, when the facts aren't on your side, the best strategy is to attack the person you're debating. Old, worn out tactic.</div>

What facts have you presented about Bogut and LMA?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Aug 4 2008, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Again, when the facts aren't on your side, the best strategy is to attack the person you're debating. Old, worn out tactic.</div>

What facts have you presented about Bogut and LMA?
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They're not winners in the NBA.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Aug 4 2008, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Again, when the facts aren't on your side, the best strategy is to attack the person you're debating. Old, worn out tactic.</div>

What facts have you presented about Bogut and LMA?
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They're not winners in the NBA.
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So everyone on a losing team is stupid?
 
So Antoine Walker has high bball IQ because he was part of the championship team in 2006.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Aug 4 2008, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Again, when the facts aren't on your side, the best strategy is to attack the person you're debating. Old, worn out tactic.</div>

What facts have you presented about Bogut and LMA?
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They're not winners in the NBA.
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Neither was KG until he got lucky enough to play with PP and Ray Ray

Only one team is winners per season
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hey, pre-season, I was talking up the Hawks as the dark horse team to watch. They took the Celtics to 7 games in the playoffs and almost beat them.

My take on Portland is they're going to be a slow, plodding, half-court team that may not at all be as well constructed as people think. And Atlanta is still the team to watch in the East, along with the Magic. Boston's still the favorite.</div>

what if Josh doesnt resign with em?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 4 2008, 08:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So Antoine Walker has high bball IQ because he was part of the championship team in 2006.</div>

actually hes not stupid at all... he knows how to use his built... remember when he came into the league a lot of guys had trouble with him... but then came KMART...

i dont think walker has ever recovered from kmarts abuse
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Aug 4 2008, 08:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 4 2008, 08:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So Antoine Walker has high bball IQ because he was part of the championship team in 2006.</div>

actually hes not stupid at all... he knows how to use his built... remember when he came into the league a lot of guys had trouble with him... but then came KMART...

i dont think walker has ever recovered from kmarts abuse

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Wow, I honestly cant tell if this is sarcasm or not since I dont know you too well.. So by your logic, one of the NBA's biggest 3pt chuckers had a good BBall IQ until Kmart, Jesus, arrived.

I'll keep that in mind.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 4 2008, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So Antoine Walker has high bball IQ because he was part of the championship team in 2006.</div>

I don't think the Heat would have won without them. They certainly wouldn't have gotten past the Bulls; he was clearly the difference. And he absolutely played like a smart player. The Heat clearly benefited from having THREE players who were THE MAN on NBA teams: Shaq, Wade, and Walker.
 
walker wasnt stupid... coming out of college people praised his decisions makin... he became a chucker cuz he got overweight... and lazy... didnt make him stupid... hey man food is a drug to some people
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Aug 4 2008, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hey, pre-season, I was talking up the Hawks as the dark horse team to watch. They took the Celtics to 7 games in the playoffs and almost beat them.

My take on Portland is they're going to be a slow, plodding, half-court team that may not at all be as well constructed as people think. And Atlanta is still the team to watch in the East, along with the Magic. Boston's still the favorite.</div>

what if Josh doesnt resign with em?
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They're still going to be tough. They had the advantage of a lot of lottery picks all along; they're still going to be on the team. Horford's IQ is going to get better, too.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Aug 4 2008, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hey, pre-season, I was talking up the Hawks as the dark horse team to watch. They took the Celtics to 7 games in the playoffs and almost beat them.

My take on Portland is they're going to be a slow, plodding, half-court team that may not at all be as well constructed as people think. And Atlanta is still the team to watch in the East, along with the Magic. Boston's still the favorite.</div>

what if Josh doesnt resign with em?
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They're still going to be tough. They had the advantage of a lot of lottery picks all along; they're still going to be on the team. Horford's IQ is going to get better, too.
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well if they dont resign josh... horford needs to be a beast... (which i feel he can be) physically hes ready... and he is mentally tough... he is goin to be a dominate big man in this league barring injury of course... you guys need to use acie law more... hes talented
maybe bibby can groom him a bit more...

hehe i remember when bibby hit big shots for SAC when sac was a team to be wreckon with
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Aug 4 2008, 06:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Aug 4 2008, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hey, pre-season, I was talking up the Hawks as the dark horse team to watch. They took the Celtics to 7 games in the playoffs and almost beat them.

My take on Portland is they're going to be a slow, plodding, half-court team that may not at all be as well constructed as people think. And Atlanta is still the team to watch in the East, along with the Magic. Boston's still the favorite.</div>

what if Josh doesnt resign with em?
</div>

They're still going to be tough. They had the advantage of a lot of lottery picks all along; they're still going to be on the team. Horford's IQ is going to get better, too.
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well if they dont resign josh... horford needs to be a beast... (which i feel he can be) physically hes ready... and he is mentally tough... he is goin to be a dominate big man in this league barring injury of course... you guys need to use acie law more... hes talented
maybe bibby can groom him a bit more...

hehe i remember when bibby hit big shots for SAC when sac was a team to be wreckon with

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The Hawks aren't "my" team, I just watched them play a lot the last 3 years.

Childress is a big loss for them, too. He's got size and ability to take guys off the dribble to the hoop. He was very good for them in situational play. They're going to have to rely much more heavily on Joe Johnson in his absence.
 
childress had a very HIGH IQ... hehe just a very unorthodox shot... what was that thing?
 
Aldridge's BB IQ is a million times higher than Outlaw's
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_War_Poet_ForLife @ Aug 4 2008, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Denny, better BB IQ:
JR+Outlaw or Aldridge+Bogut</div>

I have nothing against JR and Outlaw, though I wouldn't have picked them this early. But it's not MY team to build.

Bogut's IQ is decent, but he's certainly not taken the giant step up that he might. I wouldn't have picked him this early in the draft, unless I was building a team for the future and felt it was worth taking the risk (he will step up).

I would have taken Dalembert ahead of Bogut. And Kaman, and Okafor, and Camby.

I won't talk about undrafted guys, but I will point out guys I would have picked instead after they're taken.
 
OK OK... i want people to critique my team

PG: Baron Davis
SG: Ben Gordon
SF: TBA
PF: David West
C : Brendan Haywood
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Aug 4 2008, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>OK OK... i want people to critique my team

PG: Baron Davis
SG: Ben Gordon
SF: TBA
PF: David West
C : Brendan Haywood</div>

A little short in the back court, but both players are outstanding. Davis is good enough to get you to the playoffs almost on his own. He's got good help. Gordon's an uncanny scorer, one of the rare players in that regard in the league.

West isn't as much of a banger on offense for a PF as you'd like.

Haywood got burn for Washington last season and the team did much better than you'd expect with Arenas out and Butler hurt, too. He's a winner.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Aug 4 2008, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>denny did u join the gm draft?</div>

Yep.

Iggy, Arenas, and Dalembert are my team so far.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 09:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_War_Poet_ForLife @ Aug 4 2008, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Denny, better BB IQ:
JR+Outlaw or Aldridge+Bogut</div>

I have nothing against JR and Outlaw, though I wouldn't have picked them this early. But it's not MY team to build.

Bogut's IQ is decent, but he's certainly not taken the giant step up that he might. I wouldn't have picked him this early in the draft, unless I was building a team for the future and felt it was worth taking the risk (he will step up).

I would have taken Dalembert ahead of Bogut. And Kaman, and Okafor, and Camby.

I won't talk about undrafted guys, but I will point out guys I would have picked instead after they're taken.
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Thank you for answering my question in such a direct fashion?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Aug 4 2008, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>denny did u join the gm draft?</div>

Yep.

Iggy, Arenas, and Dalembert are my team so far.
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good stuff
and thanks for the critique

well west can hit the 17-20 foot jump shot and can put the ball on the floor... and he has FIGHT INSIDE him... remember in the playoffs against the spurs? he plays to win... gotta love that... some of these nba players dont even care anymore as long as they get paid.
 
I absolutely wouldn't have taken Dalembert over Kaman or Okafor to a lesser extent.

Camby you have a point, Bogut I don't know enough about.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 09:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_War_Poet_ForLife @ Aug 4 2008, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Denny, better BB IQ:
JR+Outlaw or Aldridge+Bogut</div>

I have nothing against JR and Outlaw, though I wouldn't have picked them this early. But it's not MY team to build.

Bogut's IQ is decent, but he's certainly not taken the giant step up that he might. I wouldn't have picked him this early in the draft, unless I was building a team for the future and felt it was worth taking the risk (he will step up).

I would have taken Dalembert ahead of Bogut. And Kaman, and Okafor, and Camby.

I won't talk about undrafted guys, but I will point out guys I would have picked instead after they're taken.


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Wait. You're talking about IQ. And then you're talking about Dalembert, Camby, and Okafor (not sure about Kaman).

Something isn't right here.
 
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