2008 GM Draft 1 Peer Evaluation Thread

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Wait so me getting Camby isn't as bad as some of you guys make it out to seem?
 
can someone critique my team?

Tony Parker
Jamal Crawford
Shawn Marion

Shaq
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ Aug 4 2008, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I absolutely wouldn't have taken Dalembert over Kaman or Okafor to a lesser extent.

Camby you have a point, Bogut I don't know enough about.</div>

I wanted a defensive minded, rebounding, shot blocking center.

Opposing C's had a 16.9 PER against him.
Opposing C's had a 18.1 PER against Bogut.
Opposing C's had a 18.4 PER against Kaman.

Opposing C's had a 20.3 PER against Okafor.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (logik15 @ Aug 4 2008, 09:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>can someone critique my team?

Tony Parker
Jamal Crawford
Shawn Marion

Shaq</div>


Tony parker is a good PG... jamal takes some ill advised shots... and he is also a ball handler... marion is a great 3 or 4... shaq... doesnt fit ur system... who does shaq pass to out of the double (if he still gets doubled)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_War_Poet_ForLife @ Aug 4 2008, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Okiedokie plays PF.</div>

No, he played almost exclusively C last season.

To add to my previous post, opposing C's had a 17.9 PER against Camby
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ Aug 4 2008, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I absolutely wouldn't have taken Dalembert over Kaman or Okafor to a lesser extent.

Camby you have a point, Bogut I don't know enough about.</div>

I wanted a defensive minded, rebounding, shot blocking center.

Opposing C's had a 16.9 PER against him.
Opposing C's had a 18.1 PER against Bogut.
Opposing C's had a 18.4 PER against Kaman.

Opposing C's had a 20.3 PER against Okafor.
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Whose the him you are referring? Camby?

Sorry I got lost haha
my bad
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DynastYWarrioR6 @ Aug 4 2008, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ Aug 4 2008, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I absolutely wouldn't have taken Dalembert over Kaman or Okafor to a lesser extent.

Camby you have a point, Bogut I don't know enough about.</div>

I wanted a defensive minded, rebounding, shot blocking center.

Opposing C's had a 16.9 PER against him.
Opposing C's had a 18.1 PER against Bogut.
Opposing C's had a 18.4 PER against Kaman.

Opposing C's had a 20.3 PER against Okafor.
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Whose the him you are referring? Camby?

Sorry I got lost haha
my bad
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Dalembert.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 09:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_War_Poet_ForLife @ Aug 4 2008, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Okiedokie plays PF.</div>

No, he played almost exclusively C last season.

To add to my previous post, opposing C's had a 17.9 PER against Camby
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Nazr Mohammed's and Ryan Hollins combined 32 mpg at C. To me that shows Okafor probably played the remaining 16 mpg at C, and the remaining 17 mpg he played out of a total 33 mpg at PF. Refuting your comment he almost exclusively played at C last season.

Either way he is not a center on my team.
 
I wont judge the teams until next season is over, then we will truly know who the winner really is.
 
http://www.82games.com/0708/07CHA14C.HTM

62% of the team's total minutes at C
5% at PF

Gerald Wallace was their PF last season.

Mohammed played 17% of the team's minutes at PF, 18% at C.

Hollins played 7% of the team's minutes at C.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>http://www.82games.com/0708/07CHA14C.HTM

62% of the team's total minutes at C
5% at PF

Gerald Wallace was their PF last season.

Mohammed played 17% of the team's minutes at PF, 18% at C.

Hollins played 7% of the team's minutes at C.</div>

Well that proves me wrong. Although Okafors PER from opponent PF's was 16.4 which is the position he will play for my team.

His PER as a PF was 20.5 too btw
 
http://www.nba.com/fantasy/fantasy_playern...#gerald_wallace

Gerald Wallace: More Small Forward in Future

Update: Bobcats coach Sam Vincent said he may keep Wallace (concussion) at small forward instead of forcing him to play the more rugged power forward position when he returns next week, the Charlotte Observer reports.

Analysis: "If you're playing the 4 (power forward), you're going to get hit," Vincent said. "So we may keep him down on the 3 (small forward) more." That's a wise move to protect a valuable asset like Wallace.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ Aug 4 2008, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>http://www.82games.com/0708/07CHA14C.HTM

62% of the team's total minutes at C
5% at PF

Gerald Wallace was their PF last season.

Mohammed played 17% of the team's minutes at PF, 18% at C.

Hollins played 7% of the team's minutes at C.</div>

Well that proves me wrong. Although Okafors PER from opponent PF's was 16.4 which is the position he will play for my team.

His PER as a PF was 20.5 too btw
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Don't get me wrong. I think Okafor is a hell of a good player. He's got a very good offensive game in the post, which is under-utilized on the Bobcats. I was shocked nobody picked him for as long as he was available, and was salivating at the chance he'd fall to me.
 
ya... people tend to forget how physical the nba game is... heh... and imagine back in the late 80 and early 90's... those were FOULS...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 09:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 4 2008, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So Antoine Walker has high bball IQ because he was part of the championship team in 2006.</div>

I don't think the Heat would have won without them. They certainly wouldn't have gotten past the Bulls; he was clearly the difference. And he absolutely played like a smart player. The Heat clearly benefited from having THREE players who were THE MAN on NBA teams: Shaq, Wade, and Walker.
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That doesnt mean Walker's bball IQ is high. That just means he was a vital role player.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 4 2008, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 09:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 4 2008, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So Antoine Walker has high bball IQ because he was part of the championship team in 2006.</div>

I don't think the Heat would have won without them. They certainly wouldn't have gotten past the Bulls; he was clearly the difference. And he absolutely played like a smart player. The Heat clearly benefited from having THREE players who were THE MAN on NBA teams: Shaq, Wade, and Walker.
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That doesnt mean Walker's bball IQ is high. That just means he was a vital role player.
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I wouldn't confuse his IQ with his lack of ability to stay away from Taco Bell.

He really ate himself out of the league. Otherwise, he was a point power forward for years with the Celtics, including teams that made playoffs. He left the Celtics for another contender. He left Dallas and won a championship.

I don't think you play a new position, point power forward, if you have a low basketball IQ. Nor do I think you score 25+, grab near 10 boards, and dish out 6 assists per game in doing so if you don't have a good IQ.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 10:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 4 2008, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 09:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 4 2008, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So Antoine Walker has high bball IQ because he was part of the championship team in 2006.</div>

I don't think the Heat would have won without them. They certainly wouldn't have gotten past the Bulls; he was clearly the difference. And he absolutely played like a smart player. The Heat clearly benefited from having THREE players who were THE MAN on NBA teams: Shaq, Wade, and Walker.
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That doesnt mean Walker's bball IQ is high. That just means he was a vital role player.
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I wouldn't confuse his IQ with his lack of ability to stay away from Taco Bell.

He really ate himself out of the league. Otherwise, he was a point power forward for years with the Celtics, including teams that made playoffs. He left the Celtics for another contender. He left Dallas and won a championship.

I don't think you play a new position, point power forward, if you have a low basketball IQ. Nor do I think you score 25+, grab near 10 boards, and dish out 6 assists per game in doing so if you don't have a good IQ.
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thats what i said... he got FAT... not stupid... lol and because he got fat... he stopped postin up and started living behind the arc and chuckin 3's...

hes like the riddick bowe of basketball... lol

talented but cant stop using his drug aka FOOD!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Aug 4 2008, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>walker wasnt stupid... coming out of college people praised his decisions makin... he became a chucker cuz he got overweight... and lazy... didnt make him stupid... hey man food is a drug to some people</div>

just wanted to repost this
 
He doesnt have low BBall IQ because he tries to play a new position. He has low bball IQ because he wastes his talent in a pool of moronic decisions on the court. I dont give a shit what he was praised for in college. He was sure as hell an idiot after the Celtics. Jumping to contenders doesnt mean you have good bball IQ.
I've seen him play: he is a chucker with little to none defense and turnover prone, and he continually did the same shit. and i'm talking about post-Boston. I did not watch him play before he went to the Mavs.

My point in bringing up Walker is that not everyone on a winning team has a high bball IQ by the logic you are presenting in this thread. By this same logic, Garnett had low BBall IQ before he was traded to the Celtics.

Would you Jason Kidd has a low Bball IQ because he never got a ring? Deron Williams? Chris Paul? three well established point guards with no rings yet by again, this very same logic, they have little to none Bball IQ.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 4 2008, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He doesnt have low BBall IQ because he tries to play a new position.

I've seen him play: he is a chucker with little to none defense and turnover prone, and he continually did the same shit. and i'm talking about post-Boston. I did not watch him play before he went to the Mavs.

My point in bringing up Walker is that not everyone on a winning team has a high bball IQ by the logic you are presenting in this thread. By this same logic, Garnett had low BBall IQ before he was traded to the Celtics.

Would you Jason Kidd has a low Bball IQ because he never got a ring? Deron Williams? Chris Paul? three well established point guards with no rings yet by again, this very same logic, they have little to none Bball IQ.</div>


wait... but him being a chucker doesnt make him stupid... makes him LAZY...

b4 walker got obese!!! he would post up... and pass out of the double... or spin into the lane... remember when he came out of college he was an SF... he was 6'8"... then in boston obrien put him at PF... so now hes a 6'8" PF... he was undersize considering his wing span wasnt freakish like brand nor did he "get up" but he utilized his strenght / weight, his jumpin shootin ability... walker drew so many fouls at the PF spot... then every year he kept gettin fatter... and fatter... remember the year pat riley had to suspend him cuz he had like 32% body fat? cmon ur a pro athlete its ur job to stay in shape... and come ready when camp starts....

food is his drug... like riddick bowe... great boxer (when he was in shape) but couldnt stop drinkin... the power of the crave
white castle


anyway... walker is a very smart bball player... just sad to see him waste his career on food... but hey hes the millionare... so he probably doesnt care... and he has a ring... so consider him a winner
 
oh and to add... so if u say he was stupid post boston... then how does somebody get stupid? did he get hit in the head a lot? and started makin stupid decisions? or he got FAT and lazy so he started chuckin 3's... ask ur self that L
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Aug 4 2008, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 4 2008, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He doesnt have low BBall IQ because he tries to play a new position.

I've seen him play: he is a chucker with little to none defense and turnover prone, and he continually did the same shit. and i'm talking about post-Boston. I did not watch him play before he went to the Mavs.

My point in bringing up Walker is that not everyone on a winning team has a high bball IQ by the logic you are presenting in this thread. By this same logic, Garnett had low BBall IQ before he was traded to the Celtics.

Would you Jason Kidd has a low Bball IQ because he never got a ring? Deron Williams? Chris Paul? three well established point guards with no rings yet by again, this very same logic, they have little to none Bball IQ.</div>


wait... but him being a chucker doesnt make him stupid... makes him LAZY...

b4 walker got obese!!! he would post up... and pass out of the double... or spin into the lane... remember when he came out of college he was an SF... he was 6'8"... then in boston obrien put him at PF... so now hes a 6'8" PF... he was undersize considering his wing span wasnt freakish like brand nor did he "get up" but he utilized his strenght / weight, his jumpin shootin ability... walker drew so many fouls at the PF spot... then every year he kept gettin fatter... and fatter... remember the year pat riley had to suspend him cuz he had like 32% body fat? cmon ur a pro athlete its ur job to stay in shape... and come ready when camp starts....

food is his drug... like riddick bowe... great boxer (when he was in shape) but couldnt stop drinkin... the power of the crave
white castle


anyway... walker is a very smart bball player... just sad to see him waste his career on food... but hey hes the millionare... so he probably doesnt care... and he has a ring... so consider him a winner

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So his actions on the court were SMART decisions?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 4 2008, 07:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He doesnt have low BBall IQ because he tries to play a new position. He has low bball IQ because he wastes his talent in a pool of moronic decisions on the court.

I've seen him play: he is a chucker with little to none defense and turnover prone, and he continually did the same shit. and i'm talking about post-Boston. I did not watch him play before he went to the Mavs.

My point in bringing up Walker is that not everyone on a winning team has a high bball IQ by the logic you are presenting in this thread. By this same logic, Garnett had low BBall IQ before he was traded to the Celtics.

Would you Jason Kidd has a low Bball IQ because he never got a ring? Deron Williams? Chris Paul? three well established point guards with no rings yet by again, this very same logic, they have little to none Bball IQ.</div>

Geez.

You didn't see him play as a Celtic. He's had a high basketball IQ all along. Like I said, he ate his way out of the league. It's been pointed out that as he put on the pounds, he shot more 3's. He wasn't a horrible 3pt shooter, either, just streaky. He was a good defender, too, when he wasn't so fat he'd be gasping for air. Think about it for a few seconds and get back to me: why on earth would you put the ball in the hands of your PF instead of a PG to handle the ball if your PF wasn't something special (IQ-wise and otherwise)?

Williams and Paul are likely to get a lot better. Kidd likely won't.

Back-to-back MVP Steve Nash was quite ordinary in his first few seasons. You think he had a great bball IQ then?

Adrian Griffin has a great IQ, just not the talent to back it up. Was good enough to start for Dallas, a contending team, tho.
 
when he was in shape? ya he was a smart player... he knew when to pass... how to draw the foul... how to post up...

he would post up and if the guy would play him soft he would front up... to bait the guy... if the defender didnt bite he would shoot the medium jumper which he can MAKE!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Aug 4 2008, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>oh and to add... so if u say he was stupid post boston... then how does somebody get stupid? did he get hit in the head a lot? and started makin stupid decisions? or he got FAT and lazy so he started chuckin 3's... ask ur self that L</div>

I never said he was stupid in Boston. If you actually read my post, you would know that i said that I didnt watch him in his Boston days.

I'm saying by his actions on the court during his Dallas and Miami days didnt display to me any form of high BBall IQ.


So by your logic, you can only have a high bball IQ if you are in shape.

Hmm, Diop was fat and slow, but he tried his best in that shape and then later on actually shed a shitload of weight
 
and to add... marbury has LOW bball IQ... so much skill and talent yet he is a moron on the court...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 4 2008, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Aug 4 2008, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>oh and to add... so if u say he was stupid post boston... then how does somebody get stupid? did he get hit in the head a lot? and started makin stupid decisions? or he got FAT and lazy so he started chuckin 3's... ask ur self that L</div>

I never said he was stupid in Boston. If you actually read my post, you would know that i said that I didnt watch him in his Boston days.

I'm saying by his actions on the court during his Dallas and Miami days didnt display to me any form of high BBall IQ.
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ya but nobody gets stupid over a course of 5-8 years... he got lazy and FAT... so he started takin 3's... he didnt get stupid...
 
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