2008 GM Draft 1 Peer Evaluation Thread

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 2 2008, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Aug 2 2008, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I haven't really gotten any feedback yet on my picks. What does everyone think about Deron, Pierce, and Okur?</div>
don't feel bad Real if people are gonna bash you for chemistry cause there just gonna bash me twice as hard. lol
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I still think Redd and Melo are a good combo. I don't really like Kirk, I think you should have went big with that pick.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ZAE @ Aug 2 2008, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 2 2008, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Aug 2 2008, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I haven't really gotten any feedback yet on my picks. What does everyone think about Deron, Pierce, and Okur?</div>
don't feel bad Real if people are gonna bash you for chemistry cause there just gonna bash me twice as hard. lol
</div>

I still think Redd and Melo are a good combo. I don't really like Kurk, I think you should have went big with that pick.
</div>

I agree, Kirk doesn't really seem to fit with that team now. Maybe if you didn't have one of Redd or Melo...but adding Kirk is a bit of a head-scratcher. Maybe if you can pick up a big somehow for Redd or Kirk, and you'd be okay
 
My team does suck rite?....
I was looking at another player... but I had to go big... I was scared I couldnt draft a solid big in the 4th
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ZAE @ Aug 2 2008, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You have a lot of talent but you are pretty bad at matching players that can play with each other, Real. Chemistry is a big part of this game, look at the Warriors, they don't have many star players but they are able to mesh well together and that wins games for them.</div>

The Warriors missed the playoffs last year...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Aug 2 2008, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ZAE @ Aug 2 2008, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You have a lot of talent but you are pretty bad at matching players that can play with each other, Real. Chemistry is a big part of this game, look at the Warriors, they don't have many star players but they are able to mesh well together and that wins games for them.</div>

The Warriors missed the playoffs last year...
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That isn't the point.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Aug 2 2008, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ZAE @ Aug 2 2008, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 2 2008, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Aug 2 2008, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I haven't really gotten any feedback yet on my picks. What does everyone think about Deron, Pierce, and Okur?</div>
don't feel bad Real if people are gonna bash you for chemistry cause there just gonna bash me twice as hard. lol
</div>

I still think Redd and Melo are a good combo. I don't really like Kurk, I think you should have went big with that pick.
</div>

I agree, Kirk doesn't really seem to fit with that team now. Maybe if you didn't have one of Redd or Melo...but adding Kirk is a bit of a head-scratcher. Maybe if you can pick up a big somehow for Redd or Kirk, and you'd be okay
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dont you guys think i needed a guard 2 play D and a good passer?? I thought that was more important then a big man but trading redd and kirk for a big is a plan i was thinking about and if the big was good enough i would trade melo for him.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 2 2008, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Aug 2 2008, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ZAE @ Aug 2 2008, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 2 2008, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Aug 2 2008, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I haven't really gotten any feedback yet on my picks. What does everyone think about Deron, Pierce, and Okur?</div>
don't feel bad Real if people are gonna bash you for chemistry cause there just gonna bash me twice as hard. lol
</div>

I still think Redd and Melo are a good combo. I don't really like Kurk, I think you should have went big with that pick.
</div>

I agree, Kirk doesn't really seem to fit with that team now. Maybe if you didn't have one of Redd or Melo...but adding Kirk is a bit of a head-scratcher. Maybe if you can pick up a big somehow for Redd or Kirk, and you'd be okay
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dont you guys think i needed a guard 2 play D and a good passer?? I thought that was more important then a big man but trading redd and kirk for a big is a plan i was thinking about and if the big was good enough i would trade melo for him.
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I think you do need that guard to play D and pass, but Kirk had an awful year last year.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 2 2008, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Durant/Aldridge/Bogut

discuss.</div>

Tall.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB @ Aug 2 2008, 02:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 2 2008, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Durant/Aldridge/Bogut

discuss.</div>

Tall.
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so sexy, too.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 2 2008, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 2 2008, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Aug 2 2008, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ZAE @ Aug 2 2008, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 2 2008, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Aug 2 2008, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I haven't really gotten any feedback yet on my picks. What does everyone think about Deron, Pierce, and Okur?</div>
don't feel bad Real if people are gonna bash you for chemistry cause there just gonna bash me twice as hard. lol
</div>

I still think Redd and Melo are a good combo. I don't really like Kurk, I think you should have went big with that pick.
</div>

I agree, Kirk doesn't really seem to fit with that team now. Maybe if you didn't have one of Redd or Melo...but adding Kirk is a bit of a head-scratcher. Maybe if you can pick up a big somehow for Redd or Kirk, and you'd be okay
</div>
dont you guys think i needed a guard 2 play D and a good passer?? I thought that was more important then a big man but trading redd and kirk for a big is a plan i was thinking about and if the big was good enough i would trade melo for him.
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I think you do need that guard to play D and pass, but Kirk had an awful year last year.
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and thats exactly what he does, and he had 1 bad year big deal, we know what hes capable of.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 2 2008, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 2 2008, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 2 2008, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Aug 2 2008, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ZAE @ Aug 2 2008, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 2 2008, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Aug 2 2008, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I haven't really gotten any feedback yet on my picks. What does everyone think about Deron, Pierce, and Okur?</div>
don't feel bad Real if people are gonna bash you for chemistry cause there just gonna bash me twice as hard. lol
</div>

I still think Redd and Melo are a good combo. I don't really like Kurk, I think you should have went big with that pick.
</div>

I agree, Kirk doesn't really seem to fit with that team now. Maybe if you didn't have one of Redd or Melo...but adding Kirk is a bit of a head-scratcher. Maybe if you can pick up a big somehow for Redd or Kirk, and you'd be okay
</div>
dont you guys think i needed a guard 2 play D and a good passer?? I thought that was more important then a big man but trading redd and kirk for a big is a plan i was thinking about and if the big was good enough i would trade melo for him.
</div>

I think you do need that guard to play D and pass, but Kirk had an awful year last year.
</div>
and thats exactly what he does, and he had 1 bad year big deal, we know what hes capable of.
</div>

so if he's capable of better, why did he suck last year?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Aug 2 2008, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ZAE @ Aug 2 2008, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You have a lot of talent but you are pretty bad at matching players that can play with each other, Real. Chemistry is a big part of this game, look at the Warriors, they don't have many star players but they are able to mesh well together and that wins games for them.</div>

The Warriors missed the playoffs last year...
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They won over 50 games. You should be a playoff team with that.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 2 2008, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 2 2008, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 2 2008, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 2 2008, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Aug 2 2008, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ZAE @ Aug 2 2008, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 2 2008, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Aug 2 2008, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I haven't really gotten any feedback yet on my picks. What does everyone think about Deron, Pierce, and Okur?</div>
don't feel bad Real if people are gonna bash you for chemistry cause there just gonna bash me twice as hard. lol
</div>

I still think Redd and Melo are a good combo. I don't really like Kurk, I think you should have went big with that pick.
</div>

I agree, Kirk doesn't really seem to fit with that team now. Maybe if you didn't have one of Redd or Melo...but adding Kirk is a bit of a head-scratcher. Maybe if you can pick up a big somehow for Redd or Kirk, and you'd be okay
</div>
dont you guys think i needed a guard 2 play D and a good passer?? I thought that was more important then a big man but trading redd and kirk for a big is a plan i was thinking about and if the big was good enough i would trade melo for him.
</div>

I think you do need that guard to play D and pass, but Kirk had an awful year last year.
</div>
and thats exactly what he does, and he had 1 bad year big deal, we know what hes capable of.
</div>

so if he's capable of better, why did he suck last year?
</div>
idk really im not a bulls fan quite frankly the whole team sucked last year, i doubt anyone had a good year on that team, when i said capable of i mean more so like you know what your gonna get night in and night out.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 2 2008, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 2 2008, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 2 2008, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 2 2008, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 2 2008, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Aug 2 2008, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ZAE @ Aug 2 2008, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 2 2008, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Aug 2 2008, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I haven't really gotten any feedback yet on my picks. What does everyone think about Deron, Pierce, and Okur?</div>
don't feel bad Real if people are gonna bash you for chemistry cause there just gonna bash me twice as hard. lol
</div>

I still think Redd and Melo are a good combo. I don't really like Kurk, I think you should have went big with that pick.
</div>

I agree, Kirk doesn't really seem to fit with that team now. Maybe if you didn't have one of Redd or Melo...but adding Kirk is a bit of a head-scratcher. Maybe if you can pick up a big somehow for Redd or Kirk, and you'd be okay
</div>
dont you guys think i needed a guard 2 play D and a good passer?? I thought that was more important then a big man but trading redd and kirk for a big is a plan i was thinking about and if the big was good enough i would trade melo for him.
</div>

I think you do need that guard to play D and pass, but Kirk had an awful year last year.
</div>
and thats exactly what he does, and he had 1 bad year big deal, we know what hes capable of.
</div>

so if he's capable of better, why did he suck last year?
</div>
idk really im not a bulls fan quite frankly the whole team sucked last year, i doubt anyone had a good year on that team, when i said capable of i mean more so like you know what your gonna get night in and night out.
</div>

well last year the bulls expected to get about 16 and 6 night in and night out, but then got 11 and 6 night in and night out.

He averaged 9.4 ppg and 6.7 apg in 14 March games, then 6.4 ppg and 5.1 apg in 9 April games.

Explain.
 
Maybe he needs a real coach with a real system and teammates who can throw the ball in the ocean.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 2 2008, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 2 2008, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 2 2008, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 2 2008, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 2 2008, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 2 2008, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Aug 2 2008, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ZAE @ Aug 2 2008, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 2 2008, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Aug 2 2008, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I haven't really gotten any feedback yet on my picks. What does everyone think about Deron, Pierce, and Okur?</div>
don't feel bad Real if people are gonna bash you for chemistry cause there just gonna bash me twice as hard. lol
</div>

I still think Redd and Melo are a good combo. I don't really like Kurk, I think you should have went big with that pick.
</div>

I agree, Kirk doesn't really seem to fit with that team now. Maybe if you didn't have one of Redd or Melo...but adding Kirk is a bit of a head-scratcher. Maybe if you can pick up a big somehow for Redd or Kirk, and you'd be okay
</div>
dont you guys think i needed a guard 2 play D and a good passer?? I thought that was more important then a big man but trading redd and kirk for a big is a plan i was thinking about and if the big was good enough i would trade melo for him.
</div>

I think you do need that guard to play D and pass, but Kirk had an awful year last year.
</div>
and thats exactly what he does, and he had 1 bad year big deal, we know what hes capable of.
</div>

so if he's capable of better, why did he suck last year?
</div>
idk really im not a bulls fan quite frankly the whole team sucked last year, i doubt anyone had a good year on that team, when i said capable of i mean more so like you know what your gonna get night in and night out.
</div>

well last year the bulls expected to get about 16 and 6 night in and night out, but then got 11 and 6 night in and night out.

He averaged 9.4 ppg and 6.7 apg in 14 March games, then 6.4 ppg and 5.1 apg in 9 April games.

Explain.
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idk man really im a net fan like you, maybe his girlfriend broke up with him or something. But we can agree if he were playing his best 16 and 7 i guess, with his D, that his presence on my team would help right??
 
I'm just saying, it's hard to say you know what you are getting night in and night out, when he has fluctuation in his splits like that, especially with the weak performance from last year. That's not consistency. Of course if he was giving 16 and 7, he'd be great, but can you count on that? Methinks not.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 2 2008, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>idk man really im a net fan like you, maybe his girlfriend broke up with him or something. But we can agree if he were playing his best 16 and 7 i guess, with his D, that his presence on my team would help right??</div>

Hahaha, that's great. I concur. Kirk Hinrich wouldn't really play shitty for no reason. KC, you lose.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 2 2008, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm just saying, it's hard to say you know what you are getting night in and night out, when he has fluctuation in his splits like that, especially with the weak performance from last year. That's not consistency. Of course if he was giving 16 and 7, he'd be great, but can you count on that? Methinks not.</div>
yea your right w.e my teams been all screwed up and sucky after i picked Redd at the last second when i convinced myself I was gonna take Kamen
 
What about my underrated Al Jefferson/Jose Calderon duo?
 
Too bad we dont have a Rose to go with Gay.
 
Arenas, Iggy, and Dalembert.

Sort of a 76ers flavor, but Arenas is a huge upgrade over Andre Miller (tho Miller is a fine player).

76ers with Iggy and Dalembert and Miller were 40-42, a much better record than you'd expect.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 3 2008, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Arenas, Iggy, and Dalembert.

Sort of a 76ers flavor, but Arenas is a huge upgrade over Andre Miller (tho Miller is a fine player).

76ers with Iggy and Dalembert and Miller were 40-42, a much better record than you'd expect.</div>


I'm not sure how much of an upgrade Arenas would be over Andre. Andre was the catalyst on that team. He really was a big piece.

Of course Arenas is the better player, but in this context, I'm not sure how much.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 3 2008, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 3 2008, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Arenas, Iggy, and Dalembert.

Sort of a 76ers flavor, but Arenas is a huge upgrade over Andre Miller (tho Miller is a fine player).

76ers with Iggy and Dalembert and Miller were 40-42, a much better record than you'd expect.</div>


I'm not sure how much of an upgrade Arenas would be over Andre. Andre was the catalyst on that team. He really was a big piece.

Of course Arenas is the better player, but in this context, I'm not sure how much.
</div>

12 points a game better, 1 APG worse, primary ballhandler, primary focus of opponents' defense, can drop 60+ in a game...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 3 2008, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 3 2008, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 3 2008, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Arenas, Iggy, and Dalembert.

Sort of a 76ers flavor, but Arenas is a huge upgrade over Andre Miller (tho Miller is a fine player).

76ers with Iggy and Dalembert and Miller were 40-42, a much better record than you'd expect.</div>


I'm not sure how much of an upgrade Arenas would be over Andre. Andre was the catalyst on that team. He really was a big piece.

Of course Arenas is the better player, but in this context, I'm not sure how much.
</div>

12 points a game better, 1 APG worse, primary ballhandler, primary focus of opponents' defense, can drop 60+ in a game...
</div>

Andre Miller was the primary ballhandler. He was the catalyst of that whole offense. The stats are meaningless, they came in a different situation, which is what I was trying to say. You can't justify everything with stats, especially when you are fusing players into a new situation. You can't just say "Arenas would come in and be an upgrade because he averages more points".

Miller is much better at running an offense, and not turning the ball over.

Once Stefanski came to the Sixers and met with Cheeks to change the offensive tempo, Miller's stats went way up, and Iguodola's turnovers were reduced, as Miller was given reign to run the offense and be the primary guy who got the Sixers into their offense.. I'm not so sure that Arenas fits into that role, as Miller was great at setting teammates up, while Arenas is a shoot first player.
 
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