2010 Draft (1 Viewer)

[Nikolokolus]

Darren Collison

I wouldn't mind trading Rudy for Collison and shifting Bayless to the backup two.

That's an option but you have to wonder if the Hornets are going to settle for just Rudy ... another guy who I like but has kind of fallen into Erik Spoelstra's doghouse is Mario Chalmers, he's pass first but can play off the ball, he's a pretty decent spot up shooter, but most importantly he's a ballhawk on defense; something this team probably still desperately needs.

My pipe dream is to trade for Jrue Holiday, who struggled quite a bit early in the season, but has really started to hit his stride in the second half, shooting much better and starting to get the NBA game, but Philly seems pretty sold on him.

 

[RR7]

Yeah probably ... but honestly, I'd be more interested in adding a quality, youngish player with a few years under his belt at point guard; a consolidation trade like we saw with Steve and Travis for Camby, but for a guy not quite so old, but of similar impact -- and I have no idea who that would be

Joel and Rudy in a sign and trade for Mike Miller?

Obviously contingent on us re-signing Camby. Gets us a MLE level player while still keeping the MLE, to use elsewhere, or in pieces. Could basically duplicate Rudy's role as a backup 2-3 for us.

 

[Natebishop3]

That's an option but you have to wonder if the Hornets are going to settle for just Rudy ... another guy who I like but has kind of fallen into Erik Spoelstra's doghouse is Mario Chalmers, he's pass first but can play off the ball, he's a pretty decent spot up shooter, but most importantly he's a ballhawk on defense; something this team probably still desperately needs.

My pipe dream is to trade for Jrue Holiday, who struggled quite a bit early in the season, but has really started to hit his stride in the second half, shooting much better and starting to get the NBA game, but Philly seems pretty sold on him.

Well, I'm hoping we could pair Rudy with JPEC and trade for Collison and James Posey. Posey makes roughly the same money as Joel, and he has been a horrifically bad signing for New Orleans. He has two more years on his contract after this season, so I'm hoping Rudy's talent and Joel's expiring deal would be enough to entice them.

 

[craigehlo]

Joel and Rudy in a sign and trade for Mike Miller?

Mike Miller is done. I think we could possibly pry away Darrin Collison from the Hornets if we use Joel's expiring deal and someone like Webster to take bad an awful contract like Peja or Posey. I'd throw in Rudy to get that deal done as well.

If we keep the draft pick, Quincy Pondexter is my favorite in that range. Singler has nice length, but seems a little slow for the NBA game to me.

 

[Natebishop3]

Mike Miller is done. I think we could possibly pry away Darrin Collison from the Hornets if we use Joel's expiring deal and someone like Webster to take bad an awful contract like Peja or Posey. I'd throw in Rudy to get that deal done as well.

If we keep the draft pick, Quincy Pondexter is my favorite in that range. Singler has nice length, but seems a little slow for the NBA game to me.

Peja is an expiring contract next season, so I don't see them trading him. Joel and Posey have nearly identical money on their contracts, so it's a perfect swap. Joel and Rudy for Collison and Posey. Make it so!

 

[RR7]

He's done? He's shooting 47% from behind the arc thiss eason. 40% for his career. Close to 50% FG% on the season. He's getting over 6 rebounds and 4 assists a game. He plays on a garbage team, and doesn't get scoring opportunities, but he certainly isn't done. I personally love Rudy, and don't want to get rid of him, but I know many do, and if Rudy doesn't want to be here, what other option would we have. I think Miller would make an excellent 6th man for us.

 

[RR7]

Peja is an expiring contract next season, so I don't see them trading him. Joel and Posey have nearly identical money on their contracts, so it's a perfect swap. Joel and Rudy for Collison and Posey. Make it so!

Might as well ship Bayless somewhere too, as he won't get any time in the rotation after that.

 

[craigehlo]

Peja is an expiring contract next season, so I don't see them trading him. Joel and Posey have nearly identical money on their contracts, so it's a perfect swap. Joel and Rudy for Collison and Posey. Make it so!

While I like that deal, we'll probably have to throw in something extra to get them to bite. Maybe it's just some Paul Allen $$$ or draft picks, but I have a feeling other teams could step up and offer more for a possible franchise PG.

I guess the biggest factor is what happens with Joel's rehab. He might even have more value if his contract is getting paid by insurance ala Raef.

I hope that KP is looking to make a home run deal like that in the draft to salvage his reputation with the upper management.

 

[RR7]

Another big issue is the potential sale of the Hornets. Will probably be sold sometime this spring or summer to a minority partner, and afterwards, will probably be less likely to move talent strictly for financial reasons.

 

[Natebishop3]

Another big issue is the potential sale of the Hornets. Will probably be sold sometime this spring or summer to a minority partner, and afterwards, will probably be less likely to move talent strictly for financial reasons.

That's true.

 

[Sex Panther]

Am I hearing this right? Rudy for D. Collison?

 

[craigehlo]

Another big issue is the potential sale of the Hornets. Will probably be sold sometime this spring or summer to a minority partner, and afterwards, will probably be less likely to move talent strictly for financial reasons.

I still have a feeling that any new majority owner will want to avoid luxury tax. They won't dump talent for strictly for money, but it has to be a business factor when the Hornets are #24 out of 30 teams in attendance.

http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance

 

[craigehlo]

Am I hearing this right? Rudy for D. Collison?

Nope. You aren't reading this thread closely if that what you are distilling it to.

 

[Sex Panther]

Hence why i'm asking.

 

[RR7]

I still have a feeling that any new majority owner will want to avoid luxury tax. They won't dump talent for strictly for money, but it has to be a business factor when the Hornets are #24 out of 30 teams in attendance.

http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance

Then swapping Posey for Joel, and Collison for Rudy doesn't get them under the LT anyways. If they wanted to tie Collison to Posey, to move salary, they could target a team with cap space, and send him off that way, in the exact same method Utah used to send Maynor to OKC, attaching him to Harpring. Would make more sense, if they wanted to get below the LT, to move Collison and Posey, or Collison and Peterson to a team with cap space. Collison and Posey to Sacramento for nothing, to the Clippers, or to Washington, perhaps. Not take on Joel's deal. I understand insurance would pay it if he misses time, but there is still the LT to deal with.

 

[STOMP]

Peja is an expiring contract next season, so I don't see them trading him. Joel and Posey have nearly identical money on their contracts, so it's a perfect swap. Joel and Rudy for Collison and Posey. Make it so!

Rudy on a healthy stretch should be able to fetch a better PG of the future to match with Roy then Collison. 33 y/old Posey with 2 years & 13.5M due combined with his 8.6 PER is Joel as an expiring shouldn't lose any value as next season's trade deadline approaches. If he is able to go he gains significantly as a starting quality 5.

There is no gun to the club's head on these guys so I'd rather sign Camby & stand pat hoping Joel and Rudy's value appreciates.

STOMP

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Hayward > Singler

Difference in toughness between Kyle Singler & Gordon Hayward is what separates them. Gordon has that Matt Harpring toughness to his game. Singler is more Dunleavy.

 

[STOMP]

thinking about this Rudy Joel for Posey Collison trade proposal a little more I really don't think they'd have that much interest in Rudy as Thornton has been a very pleasant surprise for them at the SG. Why trade their backup PG for a guy who doesn't seem to be much of an upgrade to their even cheaper younger current SG? Their positional needs are in the frontcourt especially at SF where Peja and Posey are old and leave a lot to be desired. I guess Rudy and Thornton could team up on the wings at times, but neither is big enough to guard starting 3s (Thornton came in a shade under 6'3 barefoot and 200 lbs). I'd be for exploring their interest in Martell Dante and Claver to see what it would take to pry Collison away... a Martell (4.8M next season) + Jerryd (2.3M) package would seem to be more to their liking.

with his high turnover rate and slight frame, Darren doesn't seem like Nate's sort of PG/a likely target, but maybe a change of plans is in the works there Personally I'd rather have a bigger guy starting next to Brandon but DC is a talent

STOMP

 

[GoBlazersGo]

Hayward > Singler

Difference in toughness between Kyle Singler & Gordon Hayward is what separates them. Gordon has that Matt Harpring toughness to his game. Singler is more Dunleavy.

Hayward reminds me of Mike Miller, when he was at Florida.

 

[MAS RipCity]

Willie Warren was just arrested, so scrap that idea

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I think Hayward is going to be James Jones in the NBA.

The perfect backup SF/SG for McMillan. That's what he's trying to turn Rudy into: a spot up 3-point shooter.

 

[MAS RipCity]

If we stand pat at 19..I like Whiteside(if he drops) Udoh, Bledsoe
Wouldn't mind if we took Singler,Haywood, or Sanders instead
Would trade up for Whiteside,Udoh, and Patterson

2nd round we should buy a pick and take De'Sean Butler while his stock is low. He has Rasual Butler written all over him + he is clutch like nobodies business...great backup.

 

[MickZagger]

Hayward > Singler

Difference in toughness between Kyle Singler & Gordon Hayward is what separates them. Gordon has that Matt Harpring toughness to his game. Singler is more Dunleavy.

lol. Singler is way tougher than Dunleavy.

 

[MickZagger]

I think Hayward is going to be James Jones in the NBA.

The perfect backup SF/SG for McMillan. That's what he's trying to turn Rudy into: a spot up 3-point shooter.

But, spot up shooting isn't Heywards game. His best attribute is his ability to take guys off dribble using his quick first step.

 

[GoBlazersGo]

I think Hayward is going to be James Jones in the NBA.

The perfect backup SF/SG for McMillan. That's what he's trying to turn Rudy into: a spot up 3-point shooter.

Hayward has more to offer "off-the-dribble" than James Jones, thus the reason I mentioned Mike Miller. Hayward's ball-handling ability might be slightly worse than Miller's, but there seems to be quite a few similarities between the two players (at the same age), in my opinion.

 

[RR7]

If his best attribute is his first step and taking guys off the dribble, then he's not going to make it in the NBA.

 

[Tince]

If his best attribute is his first step and taking guys off the dribble, then he's not going to make it in the NBA.

I think it is his best attribute, and he'll have to work on his spot up shooting to get more minutes. I don't see him starting for a good team in the NBA, ever. I love his game though!

 

[BGrantFan]

If his best attribute is his first step and taking guys off the dribble, then he's not going to make it in the NBA.

I was thinking the same thing. I see a poorer shooting version of Adam Morrision. Hayward should stay in school and work on his shot to have a chance to make an impact, however how small, in the NBA.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I think Hayward is going to be James Jones in the NBA.

The perfect backup SF/SG for McMillan. That's what he's trying to turn Rudy into: a spot up 3-point shooter.

Hayward can actually handle the ball a little though.

 

[Tince]

I was thinking the same thing. I see a poorer shooting version of Adam Morrision. Hayward should stay in school and work on his shot to have a chance to make an impact, however how small, in the NBA.

Adam Morrison is a poor shooter, in the NBA. Hayward has more play-making abilities, but Morrison was a better shooter in college. But he could get his shot off much easier in college.