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I know two things from this night: 1. My head hurts. 2. LaMarcus is going to average 42 minutes next year and fall over.
 
The Sebastian Express said:
I know two things from this night: 1. My head hurts. 2. LaMarcus is going to average 42 minutes next year and fall over.
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3. Chad Buchanan has no business being a candidate for that GM spot.
4. We are going to be worse than Denver and Dallas for the near future.
 
Who will be disappointed if the trade doesn't go through?

I like Andre, but if there is going to be a shake up among the starters, PG is a good place for a shake up, IMO.

LA probably won't get as many lob for baskets, but I expect his fastbreak points to increase and the middle to open up with Felton more of an outside shooting threat vs. Miller. I didn't think Miller and Wallace were gelling well either. I'm going to miss Miller, but look forward to seeing if Felton fit in with LA, Wallace and Roy.
 
It seems like Portland was desperate to trade Miller and paniced at the end when no one was willing to bite.

FML
 
So in the end we end up with? ... a whole lot of sound and fury ... and Felton ... and Nolan Smith.

Okie doke.
 
Amateur night at the OK corral. Bullets flying everywhere - and most of them winding up in the Blazers own feet.
 
B-Roy said:
It seems like Portland was desperate to trade Miller and paniced at the end when no one was willing to bite.

FML
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I'm not sure Felton is a panic move by Blazers. What can one realistically expect in return for Miller and his 1 year contract. Felton isn't bad.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
I'm not sure Felton is a panic move by Blazers. What can one realistically expect in return for Miller and his 1 year contract. Felton isn't bad.
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Miller/Rudy for Felton

People don't realize Felton only has one year on his contract left too. I'm not exactly sure on the details of the current CBA, and it may be different in the new CBA, but I don't think we have Felton's bird rights because you need 3 years to gain bird rights. I'm not sure if we can negotiate an extension either because it's only been one year into his contract. It's likely that after this season, even if we wanted to resign Felton, we can't.

Basically, its a one year rental that's not as good as the one year Miller would have given us.
 
B-Roy said:
Miller/Rudy for Felton

People don't realize Felton only has one year on his contract left too. I'm not exactly sure on the details of the current CBA, and it may be different in the new CBA, but I don't think we have Felton's bird rights because you need 3 years to gain bird rights. I'm not sure if we can negotiate an extension either because it's only been one year into his contract. It's likely that after this season, even if we wanted to resign Felton, we can't.

Basically, its a one year rental that's not as good as the one year Miller would have given us.
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Very interesting ... and kind of disturbing.
 
B-Roy said:
Miller/Rudy for Felton

People don't realize Felton only has one year on his contract left too. I'm not exactly sure on the details of the current CBA, and it may be different in the new CBA, but I don't think we have Felton's bird rights because you need 3 years to gain bird rights. I'm not sure if we can negotiate an extension either because it's only been one year into his contract. It's likely that after this season, even if we wanted to resign Felton, we can't.

Basically, its a one year rental that's not as good as the one year Miller would have given us.
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ugh, im not feeling too great right now
 
B-Roy said:
Miller/Rudy for Felton

People don't realize Felton only has one year on his contract left too. I'm not exactly sure on the details of the current CBA, and it may be different in the new CBA, but I don't think we have Felton's bird rights because you need 3 years to gain bird rights. I'm not sure if we can negotiate an extension either because it's only been one year into his contract. It's likely that after this season, even if we wanted to resign Felton, we can't.

Basically, its a one year rental that's not as good as the one year Miller would have given us.
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Bird rights are traded with the player, so there's no reason we wouldn't have Felton's Bird rights. Of course, Bird rights might not be part of the new CBA :)

barfo
 
B-Roy said:
Miller/Rudy for Felton

People don't realize Felton only has one year on his contract left too. I'm not exactly sure on the details of the current CBA, and it may be different in the new CBA, but I don't think we have Felton's bird rights because you need 3 years to gain bird rights. I'm not sure if we can negotiate an extension either because it's only been one year into his contract. It's likely that after this season, even if we wanted to resign Felton, we can't.

Basically, its a one year rental that's not as good as the one year Miller would have given us.
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So Nolan Smith is the future

Or if you ask Paul Allen....Patty Mills is
 
barfo said:
Bird rights are traded with the player, so there's no reason we wouldn't have Felton's Bird rights. Of course, Bird rights might not be part of the new CBA :)

barfo
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I know they are traded, but I thought for a player to have bird rights, they must have played out a contract of at least 3 years, with the team. Felton signed a 2-year deal with the Knicks last season, so would he get bird rights?

Someone with cap knowledge please correct if this is wrong, because I'm not sure.
 
B-Roy said:
Miller/Rudy for Felton

People don't realize Felton only has one year on his contract left too. I'm not exactly sure on the details of the current CBA, and it may be different in the new CBA, but I don't think we have Felton's bird rights because you need 3 years to gain bird rights. I'm not sure if we can negotiate an extension either because it's only been one year into his contract. It's likely that after this season, even if we wanted to resign Felton, we can't.

Basically, its a one year rental that's not as good as the one year Miller would have given us.
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I'm pretty sure we do get his Bird rights...right's go along with contract and Felton's contract is 3 years at least. Essentially Bird rights let you go over the cap to sign your own players. The idea of 3 years for the rights to kick in is so that you can't sign a player for 1 year at an undervalued contract and then after the year sign him with 'bird rights' for more money. It's why all the big name players that sign FA deals (LeBron, Bosh, etc.) usually do so in a Sign and Trade so that their new team gets the bird rights and thus can offer them more money.

Just my 2cents.
 
This is from Larry Coon's faq:

26. How long must a player be with one team before the Larry Bird exception can be used?

The basic idea is that a player must play for the same team for three seasons for his team to gain Bird rights (two seasons for Early Bird rights). It can be a single three-year contract, a series of three one-year contracts, or any combination that adds up to three seasons (two for Early Bird). However there are a number of complications:

When a player is traded, his new team inherits his Bird rights. For example, if a player signs a three-year contract, plays two and a half seasons with that team, and is traded at the trade deadline in the third season, then his new team owns full Bird rights following the third season.
The player must complete his contract immediately prior to becoming a free agent, which essentially means he can't have been waived. If he signs a series of contracts, then this only applies to the last contract. If a team signs a player and waives him after one game, signs and waives him after one game again the next year, and in the third year signs him and keeps him the entire season, then they will have full Bird rights following the third season.

The clock resets when the player changes teams by signing as a free agent. An interesting case occurred in the 2008-09 season with Antonio McDyess, who had played exclusively for the Pistons since the 2004-05 season. In 2008-09 the Pistons traded him to the Nuggets, the Nuggets waived him, and he re-signed with the Pistons. Even though he only signed contracts with the Pistons and he completed his last contract without being waived, his Bird clock reset when he re-signed with the Pistons because he changed teams as a free agent.
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Felton was a FA last year, so his bird rights reset, and he signed a 2 year deal with the Knicks. So from what I understand, he doesn't have bird rights now, and playing out the rest of his contract won't give him bird rights either.
 
BalancedMan said:
I'm pretty sure we do get his Bird rights...right's go along with contract and Felton's contract is 3 years at least. Essentially Bird rights let you go over the cap to sign your own players. The idea of 3 years for the rights to kick in is so that you can't sign a player for 1 year at an undervalued contract and then after the year sign him with 'bird rights' for more money. It's why all the big name players that sign FA deals (LeBron, Bosh, etc.) usually do so in a Sign and Trade so that their new team gets the bird rights and thus can offer them more money.
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Felton only signed a TWO year deal. This past year was his first season post-Charlotte.

Unless things change, we won't have Bird Rights on him.

Probably bad.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
Felton only signed a TWO year deal. This past year was his first season post-Charlotte.

Unless things change, we won't have Bird Rights on him.

Probably bad.

Ed O.
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I'm still reading the faq, and I think we would get his early bird rights.

EARLY BIRD EXCEPTION -- This is a weaker form of the Larry Bird exception, and is also a component of the Veteran Free Agent exception. Players who qualify for this exception are called "Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agents" in the CBA. A player qualifies for this exception essentially by playing two seasons without being waived or changing teams as a free agent (see question number 26 for details). A team may use this exception to re-sign its own free agent for up to 175% of his salary the previous season or the average player salary, whichever is greater (see question number 25 for the definition of "average salary." Also note that for 2005-06 they used a defined figure of $5 million). Early Bird contracts at least two seasons in length (which limits this exception's usefulness -- it's often better to take a lower salary for one more season and then have the full Bird exception available the next season) and no longer than five seasons. A player can receive raises up to 10.5% of the salary in the first season of the contract using this exception.
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So we can sign him for up to 175% of his salary and go over the cap, I THINK. Either way, he's still unrestricted after this year and may opt to just go somewhere else, a risk Portland is obviously taking.
 
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