2012 Mock Draft (Blazers): Pick #6

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Who would the Blazers take at number 6?

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HCP said:
listen drama queen.... You really think THIS will happen?
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Do you? I don't mean that sarcastically either....I cannot believe that they would do that, but after last year's draft...the draft before that with Babbitt (50/40/90!!!), the man crushes by Barrett\Rice\Wheel and crew, dinner with the owner...it makes you nervous....
 
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Lillard, because I like his confidence and demeanor. Nice measurements, underrated passer, solid scorer. BPA.
 
Out of the choices you have to take Barnes. Selecting Lillard at #6 would be idiotic. But that's not out of line with the Blazers brain trust unfortunately.
 
The thing about Barnes is people are getting caught up with what his press clippings were out of highschool. Not really what he did in College. Of course I am doing the same in regards to Beal and Rivers too. Bottom line is few of these guys have proven anything yet. Lillard on the other hand has at least wowed everyone in the camps. Now I know that doesn't mean shit either, but in my mind it is just another reason to go with the crap shoot theory.
 
Martell Webster wowed in 1 vs none workouts as well.....
 
Blaze01 said:
Martell Webster wowed in 1 vs none workouts as well.....
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Yeah that thought crossed my mind as well. But the difference is Webster only impressed the Blazers, while Lillard has impressed almost everyone. I have more faith in multiple opinions than just our brain trust. .
 
Wow, I leave for awhile and the Lillard love skyrocketed. I don't know, I think 6 is a lil high for him. I would much rather use the 11th pick on him.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Yeah that thought crossed my mind as well. But the difference is Webster only impressed the Blazers, while Lillard has impressed almost everyone. I have more faith in multiple opinions than just our brain trust. .
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Not true....... he was top of the lottery in all mocks back then I thought. He was going early regardless who had the pick.
 
HCP said:
Not true....... he was top of the lottery in all mocks back then I thought. He was going early regardless who had the pick.
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No, Webster was never in the top of any 2005 mocks, thats why we traded down to 6 because there was zero chance anyone considering him as a top5 pick.

The Blazers were only interested in a SG since we had Telfair at PG and Outlaw at SF.

The team was debating between Gerald Green and Martell Webster at #3; Green ended up going #18. Would Webster have gone in that range if we hadn't drafted him?
 
Draco said:
No, Webster was never in the top of any 2005 mocks, thats why we traded down to 6 because there was zero chance anyone considering him as a top5 pick.

The Blazers were only interested in a SG since we had Telfair at PG and Outlaw at SF.

The team was debating between Gerald Green and Martell Webster at #3; Green ended up going #18. Would Webster have gone in that range if we hadn't drafted him?
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Webster was all over the place in mocks. I remember seeing him anywhere from 5 to 20. When a player came straight from HS it was always hard to predict were they would go.

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Rhal said:
Webster was all over the place in mocks. I remember seeing him anywhere from 5 to 20. When a player came straight from HS it was always hard to predict were they would go.

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Well, maybe early on but he was always a projected lotto pick since the McDonald's game and the Jordan Brand Classic.

He killed it in his workout in Portland with Paul Allen watching and after that it was a wrap that he'd be a Blazer.

What a fucking disaster.
 
I remember Gerald Green also being all ove the mock drafts too that year. What i don't remember is Martel kiiling it at the draft combine. I know he was projected to go in the lottery, i juts don't remember anyone raving about him but us.

Lillard has impressed more people than Martel did. That is all I am saying. It's just not his 1-on- none workouts with us.
 
^So if I take the time to go look (I'm working right now), you are saying Webster wasn't supposed to be a lottery pick in the '05 draft?
 
nbdraft.net had him at 6 to us, the rest of the mocks I found had him being picked late in the lottery.
 
HCP said:
^So if I take the time to go look (I'm working right now), you are saying Webster wasn't supposed to be a lottery pick in the '05 draft?
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He said "I know he was projected to go in the lottery" . . .
 
HCP said:
^So if I take the time to go look (I'm working right now), you are saying Webster wasn't supposed to be a lottery pick in the '05 draft?
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No that is not what I am saying at all. I was making a point that a lot of people are high on Barnes because of the hype he got comming out of highschool and not what he as done in college. I admitted I am doing the same for Beal and Rivers. We are projecting near allstar staus on some of these guys based on their hype and combine numbers. Yet at the same time we are discounting what Lillard has done because he played in a lower. conference. (Albeit much tougher competition than in HS) I was simply making an observation that it is just another reason that this is all a crap shoot. I believe Barnes will be a good player, but he has done nothing to really prove it.

I see the comparison between us picking Lillard at 6 and when we picked Webster. Both are definitely lottery picks but the #6 pcik may be too high for either of them. But I feel better about picking Lillard that high based on the fact that he impressed more people at the combine than Webster did. But yes I get your boy was always projected as a lotto pick.
 
Blaze01 said:
lol, one guy played for UNC the other for Weber State? What has Weber State ever done with Lillard leading them? Yeah, I thought so....

Barnes gets a bad rap b\c he was a HIGHLY heralded recruit coming out of HS, so people expected him to dominate in college and playing at UNC that just doesn't happen...He put up very good numbers, has outstanding athleticism and is what? 2 years? younger than your man crush, Lillard...

Yeah, I don't even think it is a close call...and don't discount his mid range game that is a rare commodity in the NBA there days...He is going to be a good player...the question is whether he will be great and I like his chances\ceiling a hell of a lot more than Lillard's....Most scoring guards in college are unable to transition into effective PG in the NBA...and if Lillard is unable to do that, then congratulations you just added your THIRD undersized shooting guard.....
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Barnes reminds me of another UNC guy that was highly touted coming out of high school. Marvin Williams. Barnes has good athleticism, but its too bad that he would rather hang out on the perimeter and settle for jumpers.

Its already been brought up several times that many good/great players have came from small schools. You choose to ignore it and still beat that argument like a dead horse.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
The scary thing is our scouts could very well rank him as the BPA.

Scary to think you could be taking a Jeff Teague (ceiling) at #6.

Stupid stupid STUPID.
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Haha so you read Jeff Teague is his ceiling and you preach it like its gospel. Rajon Rondo's supposed ceiling was Mookie Blaylock...I could go on and on.
 
MickZagger said:
Its already been brought up several times that many good/great players have came from small schools.
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What PG from a small school has made an impact in the NBA recently? I am sort of drawing a blank, and I know you follow college basketball more closely than I do.

Personally, I look at Lillard and see a scorer at a small school who is going to be 22 soon... and I am thinking he'd be a reach in the top 10.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
What PG from a small school has made an impact in the NBA recently? I am sort of drawing a blank, and I know you follow college basketball more closely than I do.

Personally, I look at Lillard and see a scorer at a small school who is going to be 22 soon... and I am thinking he'd be a reach in the top 10.

Ed O.
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Stockton, Nash, Hardaway, Avery Johnson, Derek Fisher, Stuckey, Maynor, Norris Cole....Good players get overlooked by college recruiters all the time for one reason or another.

A players recruitment to play in college shouldn't be duplicated when he's going to the pro's. Players develop at a different rate and sometimes aren't done growing when they graduate high school at 18. Especially at PG.

John Stockton was about to sign with Carroll College in Montana when at the last minute his hometown Gonzaga offered him a scholarship. He was the 16th pick, because someone took a chance on him and looked past the competition he was playing against. He never made the tournament.

Steve Nash was not recruited by any american Universities to play basketball. He had to send tape in to get interest. Someone took a chance on him even though he didn't play against the greatest competition. That worked out okay for them.

Russell Westbrook didn't receive his first recruitment letter until the summer before his senior year and Ben Howland was the only major program offering him. He's had the same criticisms as Lillard.

Its not about where you play because players careers don't go in a perfect pattern. It would make being a GM much easier if everything was symmetrical, though. If you can ball, you can ball.
 
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Ed O said:
What PG from a small school has made an impact in the NBA recently? I am sort of drawing a blank, and I know you follow college basketball more closely than I do.

Personally, I look at Lillard and see a scorer at a small school who is going to be 22 soon... and I am thinking he'd be a reach in the top 10.

Ed O.
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It would be interesting to look and see how many PG's Portland has drafted in 40+ years from big schools that made an impact.
 
Oh, boy. I lost my reply. Sorry, MZ. Here it is in the short version:

No one at all recently has emerged from small college to play the PG spot in the NBA at a high level, it appears. Cole had a 7.9 PER as a 23 year-old rookie. Maynor has started four games in five season. Stuckey is, at 6'5", markedly different than the others in that he can play the SG spot, too.

I don't care about how their recruitment for college went... I care about the level of competition they played against in college and I care about their age. Westbrook played at UCLA against top-tier programs and he was drafted when he was 19. Lillard is going to be a month shy of being 22 when he is drafted. Comparing Westbrook and Lillard based on how their college recruitment went makes little sense to me.

I appreciate your thoughts, but it appears that I didn't overlook anyone who might have changed my mind about Lillard, and I really hope that the Blazers don't pick him in the top 10.

Ed O.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
It would be interesting to look and see how many PG's Portland has drafted in 40+ years from big schools that made an impact.
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I guess, but it wouldn't be very relevant to this discussion, IMO. 40+ years is way too big of a time span, and Portland has made too many PG selections to find meaningful sample size, I wouldn't think.

Ed O.
 
MickZagger said:
Stockton, Nash, Hardaway, Avery Johnson, Derek Fisher, Stuckey, Maynor, Norris Cole....Good players get overlooked by college recruiters all the time for one reason or another.
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How many of those players would you have traded the #6 pick for at their best? 3? That is 3 PGs in about 25 years?

I'm not against drafting Lillard, but I do think that level of competition needs to be strongly considered.
 
Ed O said:
I guess, but it wouldn't be very relevant to this discussion, IMO. 40+ years is way too big of a time span, and Portland has made too many PG selections to find meaningful sample size, I wouldn't think.

Ed O.
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OK how many really good PG's are there in the NBA? To keep it relevent in a short time span, subtract those who are over 30 and those who came from Europe. Now I am not counting those who are better than what we have, but actually those who are capable of leading a team to the finals. I think it is fare to say that number is under 10.

How many big schools are there? And there is not over 10 really good PG's in the last 10 years?
I am talking players that we would all agree are really good? That is not an impressive number of players. I think we need to look anywhere we can for talented ones.
 
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Like Faried, Steph Curry dominated the bigger schools. Outside the BigSky, which was a rarity, Lillard was not nearly the player he was playing against the likes of Sacramento State and Mayville State.
 
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