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Mediocre Man said:
Zeller would absolutely piss me off in the lottery. Our team is light years away from needing Joel Przybilla with knees.
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+1. We already have enough white players in Babbitt. Do not need one in the lottery.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Zeller would absolutely piss me off in the lottery. Our team is light years away from needing Joel Przybilla with knees.
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Oh no you dint. Zeller is not Joel. Zeller scored 16pts/game on a talented team shooting 55% from the field and 81% from the line. Joel couldn't dream of numbers like that. Zeller also has nice touch around the basket. Anyone want to argue that Joel has good hands around the basket (on offense that is)?
 
RR7 said:
Low IQ. Much better to block shots with your hand than with your nose. Pass.
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He does not have low IQ though, that is just plain wrong...in fact many analysts have said the exact opposite (he has very good bball IQ)....
 
MM may have posted and I just missed it:

David Locke: Just had a NBA Scout say Damian Lillard is comparale to Jrue Holliday, Michael Conely, Jeff Teague and Darren Collison about 28 minutes ago
 
pj3 and or drummond could become those alpha dogs you speak of

zeller?......not so much
 
Blaze01 said:
He does not have low IQ though, that is just plain wrong...in fact many analysts have said the exact opposite (he has very good bball IQ)....
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Did you read my whole post?
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
MM may have posted and I just missed it:

David Locke: Just had a NBA Scout say Damian Lillard is comparale to Jrue Holliday, Michael Conely, Jeff Teague and Darren Collison about 28 minutes ago
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so 2nd? 3rd tier NBA PG...

I think POR can get a better player than that with the 6th pick in this draft....
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
MM may have posted and I just missed it:

David Locke: Just had a NBA Scout say Damian Lillard is comparale to Jrue Holliday, Michael Conely, Jeff Teague and Darren Collison about 28 minutes ago
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Do those players compare to each other? Maybe Holliday, but I don't see the Collison comparison. Lillard is much bigger and much better at penetrating and finishing. Having said that, those are some pretty decent young PGs.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
MM may have posted and I just missed it:

David Locke: Just had a NBA Scout say Damian Lillard is comparale to Jrue Holliday, Michael Conely, Jeff Teague and Darren Collison about 28 minutes ago
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so an average nba pg. joy
 
Blaze01 said:
He does not have low IQ though, that is just plain wrong...in fact many analysts have said the exact opposite (he has very good bball IQ)....
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I think it is more about immaturity than low IQ. The kid is young, and he is immature for his age (not uncommon). He needs time for his maturity to catch up with the rest of his body. Remember he was pushed into college a year early (skipped his Sr. year of H.S. somehow).

My biggest concern other than him just not developing, is that his development timeline seems to be that he would start to peak just after his rookie contract expires. So, you would be in the Bynum situation where you have to match a max contract offered by some other team in search of a center, just to see if he can reach his potential.
 
Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider
Per @ESPNAndyKatz, Jared Sullinger wasn't invited to the NBA Green Room. NBA usually invites top 10-15 prospects.
 
Reep said:
I think it is more about immaturity than low IQ. The kid is young, and he is immature for his age (not uncommon). He needs time for his maturity to catch up with the rest of his body. Remember he was pushed into college a year early (skipped his Sr. year of H.S. somehow).

My biggest concern other than him just not developing, is that his development timeline seems to be that he would start to peak just after his rookie contract expires. So, you would be in the Bynum situation where you have to match a max contract offered by some other team in search of a center, just to see if he can reach his potential.
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Yeah, I agree he is going to take some time and may develop a little slower than other prospects...but even if it takes 4 years, and I don't think it will (it didn't take DeAndre Jordan that long and he was more raw than Drummond is IMO)...Drummond would still only be 22 years old....that is Lillard's age right now...
 
3RA1N1AC said:
i believe because he was held back a year at some point
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Either way, he is the second youngest player in the top of the draft, right? And if he was held back, it was before H.S.
 
RR7 said:
Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider
Per @ESPNAndyKatz, Jared Sullinger wasn't invited to the NBA Green Room. NBA usually invites top 10-15 prospects.
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I'm not sure how I feel about taking him at 11, but he is going to make some teams regret passing on him. He has limitations, but he is tough and he is a winner.
 
Reep said:
Either way, he is the second youngest player in the top of the draft, right? And if he was held back, it was before H.S.
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just answering your "somehow"

i think drummond might be our one chance to grab an all star
 
3RA1N1AC said:
just answering your "somehow"

i think drummond might be our one chance to grab an all star
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Assuming Robinson doesn't drop, I think the choice comes down to Lillard or Drummond, and it is a tough one. I have been kind of anti-Drummond, but Jim Calhoun came out with some pretty nice things to say about Drummond. It will just take time and commitment.
 
Reep said:
Assuming Robinson doesn't drop, I think the choice comes down to Lillard or Drummond, and it is a tough one. I have been kind of anti-Drummond, but Jim Calhoun came out with some pretty nice things to say about Drummond. It will just take time and commitment.
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A lot of the things I've been reading about Drummond's motor, ability, physical prowess, potential, etc..... It's been a while now, I admit, so maybe I'm remembering incorrectly..... but I remember feeling the same when we reading about Amare Stoudamire leading up to his draft (Portland was rumored to be very intrigued with him and were trying to move up to get him). I remember he had a solid rookie year, and even though he looked raw and needed to improve, he did well solely based on his youth, energy, and physical abilities. I remember thinking that if he worked on his game, he would be a great.

Not saying Drummond will turn out the same. But how Amare started out is what excites me about Drummond.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
pj3 and or drummond could become those alpha dogs you speak of

zeller?......not so much
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An alpha dog is something you are or aren't, if are not one from the start you will never be. The biggest knocks on PJ3 and Drummond are their lack of assertiveness. An alpha dog is like a Thomas Robinson or a MKG, there are others in this draft but are the easiest examples, they will take their teams by the horns do whatever it takes to win.
 
David Locke: Very interesting debate going on in this draft John Henson, Myers Leonard or Tyler Zeller? Who do you like 1 minute ago

YIKES! Don't people have anything better to do with their time?
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
A lot of the things I've been reading about Drummond's motor, ability, physical prowess, potential, etc..... It's been a while now, I admit, so maybe I'm remembering incorrectly..... but I remember feeling the same when we reading about Amare Stoudamire leading up to his draft (Portland was rumored to be very intrigued with him and were trying to move up to get him). I remember he had a solid rookie year, and even though he looked raw and needed to improve, he did well solely based on his youth, energy, and physical abilities. I remember thinking that if he worked on his game, he would be a great.

Not saying Drummond will turn out the same. But how Amare started out is what excites me about Drummond.
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Sorry, just don't see it at all. Drummond has virtually no offensive game at all. He's much closer to Oden actually. Great size and speed but not very coordinated at all.

He is truly a project and the best case scenario is Andrew Bynum in 4-5 years. Worst case scenario is Hasheem Thabeet. Would not mind Drummond at 11, but 6 is way too high for that kind of project.
 
Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider
Per @ESPNAndyKatz, Jared Sullinger wasn't invited to the NBA Green Room. NBA usually invites top 10-15 prospects.
 
Reep said:
Oh no you dint. Zeller is not Joel. Zeller scored 16pts/game on a talented team shooting 55% from the field and 81% from the line. Joel couldn't dream of numbers like that. Zeller also has nice touch around the basket. Anyone want to argue that Joel has good hands around the basket (on offense that is)?
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Joel's college averages
14.2 ppg
8.4 rpg
3.9 bpg

FG% 61.3


Tyler Zeller

16.3 ppg
9.6 rpg
1.5 bpg

55.3 FG%
 
Reep said:
Do those players compare to each other? Maybe Holliday, but I don't see the Collison comparison. Lillard is much bigger and much better at penetrating and finishing. Having said that, those are some pretty decent young PGs.
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That was my first thought when I read it. How do any of these guys even compare to each other?
 
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