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Fez Hammersticks said:
One reason why Brandon Roy looked rather mediocre in pre-draft workouts. He didn't stand out in these drills and one-on-one, two-on-two, etc.
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I think I disagree with you son. Brandon's game is........ errr........ was at it's best in a 1 on 1 situation. I wonder if he worked out against Foye?
 
lol @ at the thought of Brandon not doing well in 1 on 1. He thrived when only 1 guy defended him. Brandon wasn't "mediocre" in workouts. The only report I remember from that draft was when Quick said he looked good at everything but not great at anything, aka as advertised.
 
Here's a head to head matchup of BRoy v Gay pre-NBA

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Now this confuses me...............


The Warriors are working on a trade with the Jazz to keep their first round pick regardless of what happens in the lottery, according to sources.

Golden State has a 72 percent change of keeping their pick as it is top-seven protected.

But the Warriors are interested in insuring that they keep the pick in case a team behind them jumps into the top-three.

The Warriors are prepared to give up a trade asset or two.

One source with knowledge of the discussions described the chances of a trade by Wednesday as "likely."

The Warriors can offer Utah a combination of future draft considerations, cash and/or a relaxation of the current restrictions on Utah's rights to the pick in question in either 2013 or 2014. At present, Golden State's 2013 pick is top-seven protected and its 2014 pick is top-six protected.

Via Marc Stein/ESPN


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...antee_Retention_Of_Lottery_Pick#ixzz1w30rW4aR
 
More pre-NBA BRoy.

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Looks exactly like Austin Rivers.
 
Perry Jones 3 is going to get a GM fired next summer! Could be KG....... could be Anthony Randolph!


Two NBA general managers are torn on whether to select Perry Jones III in the upcoming draft.

"That sort of talent doesn't come along very often," one GM said after watching Jones showcase his versatility in a workout this week. "As I was watching the workout, I thought you finally got to see what a freed-up Perry Jones could do if a coach just lets him be himself. He could be a dominant, and I mean dominant, forward with his size, athletic ability and skill set. I think he's a hard worker and will be a much better contributor if you give him the chance to be himself. I'd have no concerns drafting him in the top five. He could be a home run of a pick."

Jones, a 6-foot-11, 235 pound forward, has drawn comparison to Lamar Odom.

"Of all the guys that are in your top 10, I'd have the hardest time taking him," another GM said. "I know he wants to be a 3, but I don't think he does anything that we ask our 3s to do that is special. He's not a great shooter. He doesn't have a great handle. He's not an aggressive defender. He's got great size and athleticism, but he's not skilled enough. That means he'll end up being a stretch 4, which is a euphemism for a guy who doesn't have a position.

"Could he be great? Sure. But I think he's a major project and a major risk. There are safer picks in the top 10 with very good upsides. I think there's a good chance that he slides in the draft as people continue to wrestle with who he is."


Via ESPN.com


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...luators_Torn_On_Perry_Jones_III#ixzz1w31sVYdr
 
People had a lot of the same doubts about Rudy Gay as they are with PJIII.

They kinda have similar styles too.

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Don't know if you already discussed him here but Festus Ezeli is an interesting prospect. Been following him for some time. He's the Joel Pryzbilla type of Center: strong, plays close to the basket, smart, sets good picks, doesn't try to do too much, shoots a high percentage, collects rebounds, blocks shots. If we could get him with our 2nd round pick/s he could be a solid player for us.
 
HCP said:
Perry Jones 3 is going to get a GM fired next summer! Could be KG....... could be Anthony Randolph!


Two NBA general managers are torn on whether to select Perry Jones III in the upcoming draft.

"That sort of talent doesn't come along very often," one GM said after watching Jones showcase his versatility in a workout this week. "As I was watching the workout, I thought you finally got to see what a freed-up Perry Jones could do if a coach just lets him be himself. He could be a dominant, and I mean dominant, forward with his size, athletic ability and skill set. I think he's a hard worker and will be a much better contributor if you give him the chance to be himself. I'd have no concerns drafting him in the top five. He could be a home run of a pick."

Jones, a 6-foot-11, 235 pound forward, has drawn comparison to Lamar Odom.

"Of all the guys that are in your top 10, I'd have the hardest time taking him," another GM said. "I know he wants to be a 3, but I don't think he does anything that we ask our 3s to do that is special. He's not a great shooter. He doesn't have a great handle. He's not an aggressive defender. He's got great size and athleticism, but he's not skilled enough. That means he'll end up being a stretch 4, which is a euphemism for a guy who doesn't have a position.

"Could he be great? Sure. But I think he's a major project and a major risk. There are safer picks in the top 10 with very good upsides. I think there's a good chance that he slides in the draft as people continue to wrestle with who he is."


Via ESPN.com


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...luators_Torn_On_Perry_Jones_III#ixzz1w31sVYdr
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Those are interesting quotes. It often comes down to a gut feeling on whether or not you think a guy like that will work hard enough to improve. Hard to say.

The second guy is a little confusing. He says he is not a great shooter so he could end up being a stretch 4? Aren't stretch shooters good at shooting? If he is really athletic like they say, AND he can shoot well enought to stretch the defense, then he sounds like he can play several positions, if he is already 6' 11' and 235.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Those are interesting quotes. It often comes down to a gut feeling on whether or not you think a guy like that will work hard enough to improve. Hard to say.

The second guy is a little confusing. He says he is not a great shooter so he could end up being a stretch 4? Aren't stretch shooters good at shooting? If he is really athletic like they say, AND he can shoot well enought to stretch the defense, then he sounds like he can play several positions, if he is already 6' 11' and 235.
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It seems often like the stretch 4 gets used, like he says, for guys without a TRUE position, or really, PFs that don't play on the block, regardless of whether they can shoot well. Thaddeus Young, PJ3 potentially, Tyrus Thomas. More slashers than shooters, but not a back to basket 4.

I don't know if we'll end up with the right coach to get the most out of him or not, but I'd be ok with PJ3 with the 11th pick. Reminds me a little of Odom, who started out as a SF, and slowly became a PF in the league, but one with range and handles. Someone that gives you great flexibility off the bench.
 
It just depends on how high PJ3 is projected to go. I would love to get a late lotto and pick him up. He's exactly the kind of high risk/high reward player that we need.
 
Director of NBA Scouting on Beal........



Bradley Beal plays bigger than his 6-3, 205-pound frame.

“He’s listed as 6-5, but he’s 6-3,” said director of NBA scouting Ryan Blake. “He plays bigger than that. He can play a couple positions. He can handle the ball.

“He’s a good defender. He’s not a great outside shooter. He’s someone who can get inside and is fearless. He has a high (basketball) IQ. He lets the game come to him. He can step up when he needs to.”

Some scouts are concerned about Beal’s lack of size.

“If you feel he plays above that height, in terms of his athleticism and the way he releases the ball, those things offset that,” Blake said. “He’s pretty athletic. That’s the key.

“When you’re smart, intelligent and an elite athlete, you can play on both ends of the floor. From the wing position, you’re also adding an extra rebounder. I think he averaged (6.7) rebounds per game.”

Via News-Herald


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/221251/Blake_Beal_Plays_Bigger_Than_His_Size#ixzz1w6LWTKhQ
 
RR7 said:
It seems often like the stretch 4 gets used, like he says, for guys without a TRUE position, or really, PFs that don't play on the block, regardless of whether they can shoot well. Thaddeus Young, PJ3 potentially, Tyrus Thomas. More slashers than shooters, but not a back to basket 4.

I don't know if we'll end up with the right coach to get the most out of him or not, but I'd be ok with PJ3 with the 11th pick. Reminds me a little of Odom, who started out as a SF, and slowly became a PF in the league, but one with range and handles. Someone that gives you great flexibility off the bench.
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Again, Odom was a much better rebounder at Rhode Island and willingly played the post. Same as Durant, Anthony Randolph, Michael Beasley and most of the other NBA guys who PJIII is being compared to. Those guys were all dominant players as freshman. PJIII has underproduced given his athletic advantages and supposed skill and he stagnated as a sophomore. Is there any track record of guys panning out who were visibly slacking and playing soft in college? Production-wise Thad Young is the only one who produced at a similar level as PJIII, but who's to say he wouldn't have made big leaps if he came back for a second year at Ga Tech? He didn't have the red flags in regard to his motivation and competitiveness either.

He could really flourish as a full time 3, but I seriously question his toughness and willingness to do what it takes to succeed in the NBA. Hes a freak of nature and supposedly has guard type skills yet he didn't do anything above average in college. Major red flags. Even if he doesn't pan out to be a Rudy Gay type, if an NBA coach got him to play 100% and focus on defense you'd still have a valuable role player. That said, I have a hard time believing a guy who looked like he refused to compete at times turning it around and becoming a star later on.
 
He has impressive athletic ability for his size but he's a stretch PF.

*Weak shooter
*Weak post game
*Low motor

I remember watching him against South Dakota State and he totally blended in. Not in one way did he stand out other than his height.
 
RR7 said:
It seems often like the stretch 4 gets used, like he says, for guys without a TRUE position, or really, PFs that don't play on the block, regardless of whether they can shoot well. Thaddeus Young, PJ3 potentially, Tyrus Thomas. More slashers than shooters, but not a back to basket 4.
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I supose you are right, but for me I consider guys either like Channing Frye, Ryan Anderson, and Steve Novak who play away from the basket, and stretch the floor a stretch 4. They all lack the quickness to guard SF's and their is no POWER in their game. Or guys like Luke Babbit who are tweeners in size. But the one thing they all have in common is they can shoot the ball from the outside.

I never would have considered a player who can't shoot very well, a stretch 4.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
He has impressive athletic ability for his size but he's a stretch PF.

*Weak shooter
*Weak post game
*Low motor

I remember watching him against South Dakota State and he totally blended in. Not in one way did he stand out other than his height.
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Sounds like Chris Johnson after the mythical 15 lbs of pure muscle.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I supose you are right, but for me I consider guys either like Channing Frye, Ryan Anderson, and Steve Novak who play away from the basket, and stretch the floor a stretch 4. They all lack the quickness to guard SF's and their is no POWER in their game. Or guys like Luke Babbit who are tweeners in size. But the one thing they all have in common is they can shoot the ball from the outside.

I never would have considered a player who can't shoot very well, a stretch 4.
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That's because stretch 4s who can't shoot last about two years in the league then get dropped to the NBDL then China. There's plenty of Stretch 4's that can't shoot; they're available for $25,000 a game for 10 games.
 
HCP said:
Director of NBA Scouting on Beal........



Bradley Beal plays bigger than his 6-3, 205-pound frame.

“He’s listed as 6-5, but he’s 6-3,” said director of NBA scouting Ryan Blake. “He plays bigger than that. He can play a couple positions. He can handle the ball.

“He’s a good defender. He’s not a great outside shooter. He’s someone who can get inside and is fearless. He has a high (basketball) IQ. He lets the game come to him. He can step up when he needs to.”

Some scouts are concerned about Beal’s lack of size.

“If you feel he plays above that height, in terms of his athleticism and the way he releases the ball, those things offset that,” Blake said. “He’s pretty athletic. That’s the key.

“When you’re smart, intelligent and an elite athlete, you can play on both ends of the floor. From the wing position, you’re also adding an extra rebounder. I think he averaged (6.7) rebounds per game.”

Via News-Herald


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/221251/Blake_Beal_Plays_Bigger_Than_His_Size#ixzz1w6LWTKhQ
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No midgets!
 
Couple comments about Perry Jones.

First, he is an orphan who is raising his little sister.

Second, he is considered a well above average student (at least for a jock).

Does that sound like a "lazy" kid? He may need a coach who will push him to be more assertive - but I doubt anything is wrong with his motor/work ethic.
 
Reading a lot of scouting reports on Jeremy Lamb this weekend -- he is an intriguing SG prospect.

I've been down on him because he's built like Chris Johnson. At least 2-3 years away from a physical standpoint but his shooting ability and length is intriguing. He's 6'5" with a (reported) 7'1" wingspan. Kinda like the Nicolas Batum of 2-guards with that wingspan.

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Not a bad option if we lose out on Beal.
 
Lamb looks good! 2 things though.......

1-be careful with highlight reels like this..... I made one for Joel once that made him look like a white Dwight Howard. He even laughed and said, "Damn, you made me look like an all-star!"

2- I think I'm setting myself up for failure! I think we are gonna get screwed and we will only get the 11th pick and get stuck with that cracker Zeller!
 
Highlight reels don't mean shit. All you can really tell is how athletic or strong they are and if they have a good looking shot. So many different systems and levels of competition they play against. The workouts and interviews the teams put the players through leading up to the draft are much more important.
 
Some advanced stats:

22.1 PER | 59 TS% | 102 DRtg | 5.8 WS

Bradley Beals:

22 PER | 57 TS% | 96 DRtg | 6.0 WS

Damian Lillard (note: weak Big Sky Conference)

34 PER | 63 TS% | 101 DRtg | 7.3 WS
 
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