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HCP said:
Then check this out son........


Andre Drummond has yet to demonstrate that he can excel within a team system.

"If you draft him two, three, whatever, you're putting yourself out there," said an executive of a team that is in the lottery. "The one thing he doesn't do is he doesn't know how to play. He doesn't know how to play with the other four guys on the court. He can't carve out space to rebound the ball. He just rebounds it at that level because he's bigger and stronger and more athletic than everybody else. But when he gets to our level ... he doesn't have that feel as of yet. Could he get it? I don't know."

Drummond shot 29.5 percent from the free throw line during his lone season at Connecticut.

"He's as bad a free throw shooter as college basketball has seen," a Western Conference scout said.

A Southeast Division executive claims Drummond received a bad rap because of the Huskies’ poor win-loss record.

"He got labeled with all those other kids as kind of a screwup, but I didn't see anything that would indicate he's a screwup," the executive said. "I wouldn't discount Drummond. You put him with a pretty good coach, I think he's a pretty good learner. The thing I found interesting is how intelligent he was, to the point of taking things apart and putting them together, like computers. Real inquisitive type. That's half the battle, having somebody with some smarts to them."

Via David Aldridge/NBA.com


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...rummond_Can_Mesh_With_Teammates#ixzz1wIO6PWD2
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My issue is with his drive. Had he cared, he would have lost that weight in college.

This article is why I like Jeremy Lamb though
 
Watch, Zeller will have a Cole Aldrich type impact and that would suck!
 
Mediocre Man said:
My issue is with his drive. Had he cared, he would have lost that weight in college.

This article is why I like Jeremy Lamb though
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I think this is key, the more I go on in life. A great person requires drive. Although Bayless had quite the motor, didn't he?
 
Ouch...So by age 25 Zeller will be a middle of the road starting center.....

Yeah at #11, I would pass...mid\late 1st...maybe

POR doesn't need middle of the road tlaent they need elite talent to pair with LA...They need to use #6 & #11 to try and get a player with that potential upside not settle for PROJECTED (not guaranteed) "safe" picks...

That is how you end up with Nolan Smith as your 3rd string SG...
 
Blaze01 said:
Couldn't disagree more regarding Perry Jones....

Perry Jones has ELITE level talent...Elite level NBA talent....So the question is his motor....and the thing I look at is that there isn't any "red flags" regarding his lack of motor...ie work ethic, bball IQ, off court issues, hoops family, attitude etc....

Everything I have read\heard is the exact opposite...good teamate, unselfish (to a fault) , hard worker, good bball IQ, no off court issues or attitude problems AND he recognizes his weakness (ie floating in games)...With the right coaching staff, this is the kind of player who could blossom into an exceptional NBA player. LA had softness issues when he came out as well and he has made great strides to becoming a dominant NBA player, I see no reasons whay Perry Jones couldn't do the same...

Even worst case, you are looking at a guy who would be a key rotational player, a guy like Batum, who many here would gladly pay $11 million to keep on this team.....
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If you don't have the drive within yourself to play with 100% effort for the love of the game, let alone your teammates, coaches, personal pride, etc. then how are you ever supposed to be competitive enough to be a star in the NBA? Its one thing when a prospect is dominating while not giving 100% (bored with competition or just content to coast on talent) but Perry Jones didn't do anything above average. 14/7 is solid for a freshman but he didn't make any marked improvements in his sophomore year. I have a hard time believing that he just recently found out that he plays soft and lazy. His coaches must have been on him, he must have consulted with some NBA people during the pre-draft process last year. Yet his sophomore season showed few signs of improvement.

His physical package suggests an unlimited ceiling, but I think one's mentality may provide limits themselves. Does this guy love the game? Does this guy like to compete? Is he flat out soft or staunchly averse to physical play? How is a guy like that going to will a team to victory? I agree that hes such a great talent that he could be a fine role player, but I question those who think he can ever be anything remotely close to Durant.

And as for Hawes vs. Zeller, Hawes was leaps and bounds better than Zeller as a prospect. Hawes had the better frame, better post game, jump shot, and passing ability and he came out as a freshman. I don't see any of Zeller's moves on the low block translating in the NBA and hes too weak to battle with NBA C's. Won't be a good defensive player. I don't like much about him as far as his NBA prospects go.
 
Run BJM said:
If you don't have the drive within yourself to play with 100% effort for the love of the game, let alone your teammates, coaches, personal pride, etc. then how are you ever supposed to be competitive enough to be a star in the NBA? Its one thing when a prospect is dominating while not giving 100% (bored with competition or just content to coast on talent) but Perry Jones didn't do anything above average. 14/7 is solid for a freshman but he didn't make any marked improvements in his sophomore year. I have a hard time believing that he just recently found out that he plays soft and lazy. His coaches must have been on him, he must have consulted with some NBA people during the pre-draft process last year. Yet his sophomore season showed few signs of improvement.

His physical package suggests an unlimited ceiling, but I think one's mentality may provide limits themselves. Does this guy love the game? Does this guy like to compete? Is he flat out soft or staunchly averse to physical play? How is a guy like that going to will a team to victory? I agree that hes such a great talent that he could be a fine role player, but I question those who think he can ever be anything remotely close to Durant.
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Aldridge averaged 15/9 his sophmore year and many said he was soft as well...A lot of people have questioned his toughness and drive and here at 26 he has DEVELOPED into an all star caliber player....and a lot of that has to do with increased competitiveness and toughness that you label Jones is incapable of overcoming. Pretty much all those negatives you just listed for Jones could have and HAVE BEEN said regarding Aldridge. I reitirate there is seemingly no red flags that would prevent him from increasing his competitiveness\toughness just like LA has....and the KEY point is that he has the skillset that if he gets it he has the potential to be VERY good.

Also, Perry Jones played on a pretty talented team, more talented than the team LA played on....and certainly freshman Qunicy Miller (10pts\5 boards) took away some looks from Jones his sophmore year that should not be overlooked.

I just think there is a lot of nit picking about what he can't do and not enough focus on what he CAN do. Yeah motivation\drive is a concern, but as I stated before, if he overcomes that then he is an all star caliber player IMO, and if not or if partially he still IMO would be a key rotation player like Batum is....With that kind of floor and potential ceiling why would you pass on a player like that? If you were smart you wouldn't...

and POR desperately needs top tier talent to pair with LA....He is the perfect type of player to roll the dice on....
 
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Speaking of PER -- this is scary:

Nolan Smith (Duke): 25.7 PER | 6.4 WS | 56 TS%

Lillard's advanced-stats are off the charts -- look at another small school prospect:

Kenneth Faried (Morehead State): 34.7 PER | 10.9 WS | 62 TS%
 
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Blaze01, I would point out that I don't think LMA ever completely blew off defense the way Jones did. He also displayed improvement from freshman to sophomore year. Players can be on the softer side and still do fine, but when they show a consistently blatant lack of effort its troubling. I always thought LMA should have been the #1 pick in that draft because the basis of his inside-out scoring game was apparent and it was NBA quality. He got punked by Big Baby in the tourney but it wasn't for lack of effort.

IMO Jones looks like he doesn't want to be in the post so his response is to just let guys score on him. I think he fancies himself a 3. Which he will be in the NBA. But I can't get over the fact that he won't do what he needs to for his team to win. Plenty of NBA 3's played the 4 in college, and I imagine many preferred to be on the wing, but I can't remember any of them looking so pathetic in there. Does that take away from his talent? Most would probably say no. But I think his lack of toughness and competitiveness greatly lower the odds of his ever becoming anything really special.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
Speaking of PER -- this is scary:

Nolan Smith (Duke): 25.7 PER | 6.4 WS | 56 TS%

Lillard's advanced-stats are off the charts -- look at another small school prospect:

Kenneth Faried (Morehead State): 34.7 PER | 10.9 WS | 62 TS%
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Lillard: 33.8 PER | 12.0 WS/48 | 64 TS%
Steph Curry: 36.4 PER | 11.5 WS/48 | 60 TS%


I think Curry is a good comparision for him. My concern with Lillard is his jump between Freshman/Sophmore years wasn't that large. He was hurt most of his Junior year (so I will not compare the stats), then he has a HUGE jump for his Senior year. I like to see increase, but with such a significant jump - it seems like a 1-hit wonder....

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Damian-Lillard-6152/stats/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Stephen-Curry-1170/stats/
 
After watching Isaiah Thomas take off I'm not overlooking any PG

Depending how the draft falls I'd have no problem with Lillard at 11
 
Man I love this time of year!!! Hate not being in the playoffs, but this is fun.
 
BoBoBREWSKI said:
Looks like J.Cunningham should have stayed at Oregon State.
They dont have him being drafted.
http://nbadraft.net/2012mock_draft
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Crazy. But I've seen sure-fire 1st rounders left off mocks before, too. Not saying he was forgotten, but I'd seen something about 2 weeks ago that said he was surprising some folks, and that he could go very early in the 2nd round. Others said his ability and athleticism would be enough to at least ensure he is drafted.

That being said, another year at OSU would've likely helped him.
 
Is anyone else a bit squeamish about the 2-5 players? Workouts should prove interesting, but I really wonder if this draft won't be looked at as fool's gold later:

Robinson: ends up a decent rebounder, but never gets his outside shot and can't defend or score against the big PFs;
Beal: shot looks great, but it never really goes in, like in college; ends up being the next Foye;
Drummond: big body, but never really learns to use it. Beats up second unit centers, but can't compete as a starter;
MKG: lots of motor, but never develops the shot and ends up as Gerald Wallace without the 3-ball;

If I were picking 2-3 I would be really nervous about some of those guys.
 
Run BJM said:
Blaze01, I would point out that I don't think LMA ever completely blew off defense the way Jones did. He also displayed improvement from freshman to sophomore year. Players can be on the softer side and still do fine, but when they show a consistently blatant lack of effort its troubling. I always thought LMA should have been the #1 pick in that draft because the basis of his inside-out scoring game was apparent and it was NBA quality. He got punked by Big Baby in the tourney but it wasn't for lack of effort.

IMO Jones looks like he doesn't want to be in the post so his response is to just let guys score on him. I think he fancies himself a 3. Which he will be in the NBA. But I can't get over the fact that he won't do what he needs to for his team to win. Plenty of NBA 3's played the 4 in college, and I imagine many preferred to be on the wing, but I can't remember any of them looking so pathetic in there. Does that take away from his talent? Most would probably say no. But I think his lack of toughness and competitiveness greatly lower the odds of his ever becoming anything really special.
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I don't think he let's guys score on him, I think he needs to build muscle\heft to be able to defend better in the post as a PF...I don't see a lot of SF outside of James pushing him around, but then again James pushes everyone around. If you play Jones at PF, yeah he is going to have to add muscle\weight...I think his defense was average, but when he faced bigger\banger type PF he got pushed around, not unusual IMO for a 6'11 lanky type of player....

Like I said, I think he is going to need some coaching\developing...In interviews he has come out and said that he knows he needs to work on his motor and he knows he has to demand the ball more and take it to defenders...The fact that he recongizes this is a good sign...LA didn't recognize this right away, but he has each year and as a result he has gotten better...I think Batum is similiar in beign more aggressive on offense...

I am just saying that when you have a player at his size, with his tools, who doesn't have any major red flags and whose main issue is motor\aggressiveness and he recognizes it and is open to coaching...the risk on him is much better in terms of high (ceiling) low (floor) than it is on many of the other prospects that will be available at #6....He isn't the only guy I like though...

If Beal slipped I would take him, I actually like Barnes and I would think he could be considered...Lamb as well....After that though nobody else really intrigues me at #6 (obviously if Robinson or MKG slipped I would snap them up)....

There is a nice video scouting report of Jones on Draft Express...

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Perry-Jones-Video-Scouting-Report-3928
 
Reep said:
Is anyone else a bit squeamish about the 2-5 players? Workouts should prove interesting, but I really wonder if this draft won't be looked at as fool's gold later:

Robinson: ends up a decent rebounder, but never gets his outside shot and can't defend or score against the big PFs;
Beal: shot looks great, but it never really goes in, like in college; ends up being the next Foye;
Drummond: big body, but never really learns to use it. Beats up second unit centers, but can't compete as a starter;
MKG: lots of motor, but never develops the shot and ends up as Gerald Wallace without the 3-ball;

If I were picking 2-3 I would be really nervous about some of those guys.
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Funny thing about that.... I used to see G-Dub's 3-point shooting consistently listed as a weakness before he came to Portland. Then he came here and looked good shooting 3's (for the most part).
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Funny thing about that.... I used to see G-Dub's 3-point shooting consistently listed as a weakness before he came to Portland. Then he came here and looked good shooting 3's (for the most part).
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What the fuk? How can U say Gerald looked good shooting the 3 here? - in 42 games this year he shot an awful 26.5%, in your eyes he looked good shooting the 3? LMAO big time at that and get an eye transplant
 
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Reep said:
Is anyone else a bit squeamish about the 2-5 players? Workouts should prove interesting, but I really wonder if this draft won't be looked at as fool's gold later:

Robinson: ends up a decent rebounder, but never gets his outside shot and can't defend or score against the big PFs;
Beal: shot looks great, but it never really goes in, like in college; ends up being the next Foye;
Drummond: big body, but never really learns to use it. Beats up second unit centers, but can't compete as a starter;
MKG: lots of motor, but never develops the shot and ends up as Gerald Wallace without the 3-ball;

If I were picking 2-3 I would be really nervous about some of those guys.
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Same here. You hope to see far fewer major flaws in guys pegged to go in that range. Despite all the hype, I see this as a fairly weak draft class. And even at the consensus #1 position, Davis looks no better than the guy projected to go #1 next year.
 
handiman said:
Same here. You hope to see far fewer major flaws in guys pegged to go in that range. Despite all the hype, I see this as a fairly weak draft class. And even at the consensus #1 position, Davis looks no better than the guy projected to go #1 next year.
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This draft seems to have a lot of potential, but very few sure things. There are a number of guys that could be stars, but the lottery used to be about guys that could step in and start for you right now. The NBA has gotten farther and farther away from that.
 
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