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Mike Schmitz ‏@Mike_Schmitz
I really like Meyers Leonard the more I watch him. Yes he's raw but his combination of length and athleticism at that position is ridiculous
 
Reep said:
I was surprised to see how he measured. People were talking about him being small. But, he measured 6'8.25" barefoot, 252 lbs with a 7'2" wing span. His freshman year he was (pace adjusted) going to the line 8/game with 11 reb/game. Sure seems like he should be in the 8-12 range.
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You wonder what kind of numbers he may have put up on any other team if he was the centerpiece. He was on loaded Kentucky squads both years where they spread looks around a lot. The dude is huge, but what I am most impressed by with him is the strength that he can jump with. He's doesn't wow you all that much as far as getting way above the rim but he makes it look easy dunking the ball from a standstill under the rim through contact. Crazy power.

Here's some blurbs from a local beat writer about the TJ vs PJIII workout:

Other than Perry Jones III admitting he shot the ball poorly… and Terrence Jones sounding very confident about the workout (and getting a warm pat on the back from Jerry West)… it’s hard to say what happened in there.

Info about the match-up–or what people say happened–will trickle out over the next few days, I assume, with various agendas and potential GSW smokescreen possibilities.

I’ve thought for a while now that, due to his toughness, rebounding and play-making skills, if Terrence Jones shows GSW officials that he has the agility to defend the 3 position, he’ll probably zoom to the top of their list.

From getting a look at the two side by side (in non-drills) today, I’ll say this: They’re both HUGE small forwards, if that’s the position they play in the NBA.

Terrence Jones is 6-9, 252 pounds, with big, big shoulders and you can tell he likes to handle the ball.

Quick thought: I’m pretty sure he’s bigger and broader than David Lee. I don’t think there’s a doubt about that. Terrence Jones is bigger than a lot of other NBA power forwards, so he’d be a massive small forward, if that’s his position.

Perry Jones III is skinnier at 6-11, 235, but he’s certainly bulkier than a few past Warriors draftees–Anthony Randolph and Brandan Wright
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Full article:
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawaka...-iii-the-big-warriors-workout-and-interviews/

PJIII also confirmed he airballed a few shots and didn't shoot well. As for the comment from an above poster saying his agent is screwing him by having him tell people he wants to be an SF, it was very apparent all year that he doesn't like playing inside. From what I saw of him, I would never draft him thinking that one day he stops being soft as baby shit and decides to start mixing it up on the inside.
 
Run BJM said:
You wonder what kind of numbers he may have put up on any other team if he was the centerpiece. He was on loaded Kentucky squads both years where they spread looks around a lot. The dude is huge, but what I am most impressed by with him is the strength that he can jump with. He's doesn't wow you all that much as far as getting way above the rim but he makes it look easy dunking the ball from a standstill under the rim through contact. Crazy power.

Here's some blurbs from a local beat writer about the TJ vs PJIII workout:


Full article:
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawaka...-iii-the-big-warriors-workout-and-interviews/

PJIII also confirmed he airballed a few shots and didn't shoot well. As for the comment from an above poster saying his agent is screwing him by having him tell people he wants to be an SF, it was very apparent all year that he doesn't like playing inside. From what I saw of him, I would never draft him thinking that one day he stops being soft as baby shit and decides to start mixing it up on the inside.
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If he's going to be a stretch/soft/whateveryouwannacallit PF, he won't be a star doing it. He'll either start at PF for a shitty team or come off the bench at PF for a good team. I think he'll only develop into a star if he plays SF most of the time. I think he is a huge risk.
 
Run BJM said:
PJIII also confirmed he airballed a few shots and didn't shoot well. As for the comment from an above poster saying his agent is screwing him by having him tell people he wants to be an SF, it was very apparent all year that he doesn't like playing inside. From what I saw of him, I would never draft him thinking that one day he stops being soft as baby shit and decides to start mixing it up on the inside.
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Agreed. I think without a doubt PJIII is going to be the most successful at the NBA level as a 2/3. Admittedly he is going to be HUGE for the position, but he just doesn't have (a) the will to be a post player and (b) anywhere near the body. If he can concentrate on continuing to improve his jumper and address those motor issues, I think he will definitely end up being a steal if picked between 8-12. A big IF though, but my gut feeling is he will. In fact, I actually think POR would be a great spot for him, as LA could really be a great role model/mentor for him and would be just the veteran PJIII would need to be around to reach his potential. A Batum/PJIII/Aldridge 2/3/4 combo would be absolutely GIANT.
 
Blazer Freak said:
Agreed. I think without a doubt PJIII is going to be the most successful at the NBA level as a 2/3. Admittedly he is going to be HUGE for the position, but he just doesn't have (a) the will to be a post player and (b) anywhere near the body. If he can concentrate on continuing to improve his jumper and address those motor issues, I think he will definitely end up being a steal if picked between 8-12. A big IF though, but my gut feeling is he will. In fact, I actually think POR would be a great spot for him, as LA could really be a great role model/mentor for him and would be just the veteran PJIII would need to be around to reach his potential. A Batum/PJIII/Aldridge 2/3/4 combo would be absolutely GIANT.
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The thing is, if he lacks the will to dominate college PFs, who he is so physically superior to, then how can you ever be confident of him being a star at any position in the NBA? Stars are tough. The playoffs are tough. If you're 6'11 235 lbs you WILL have to play PF for stretches, guaranteed. Durant, Melo, Beasley all played in the post and got double digit rebounds in college, not to mention dominated every facet of the game. You can't say that they played soft or didn't give it their all even though they had to play inside in college.

Watching these combine videos, I absolutely can not fathom how a guy with that physical package averaged 0.6 blocks a game playing PF this past season. As a sophomore. I mean, it was plain to see he never gave much effort on defense, but you'd think he'd like to get on sportscenter every now and then and decide to send some 6'1 future accountant's layup into the 3rd row.

Maybe someone can flick the switch on him. I personally have a hard time getting behind him.
 
Outside of Davis and Robinson, is there anybody in this draft who could be decribed as a "sure thing"? It seems like the only other guys who *might* be something special also come with a big risk factor. The guys some people see as "low risk" (eg Barnes and Sullinger) just don't light my fire.

I have gone from eager anticipation of this draft - to a kind of dread. I'm begining to understand why some people want the Blazers to dump the picks for some "bandaid" player...even though I know that is foolish.
 
Mike and Mike's mock drafts are terrible!

#6: Lillard -- Mike Rice wants to deal this pick for a quick-fix PG or a big.
#6: Lillard -- Mike Barrett picked him over Drummond.
 
Where did you guys see the mike's mock drafts?
 
Lillard could end up being Derek Rose light.
Drummond could end up as Kwame Brown.

I think the two are very close and could only choose after a very close inspection of both. I still like Drummond if he is around, but it is a close call.
 
Is this Lillard-Rose thing coming straight from the measurements? Because Dame is not even close to being as explosive as DRose. The difference is similar to Roy v Wade, where even if their numbers are similar, Wade is a much more explosive athlete.

In case people have forgotten about Rose:

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From what you see on Youtube I'd compare his athletic ability to Jerryd Bayless -- Explosive but not Derrick Rose explosive.
 
My boy Brandon had what we call "sneaky" hops![video=youtube;xdkMuKd4GhA]
 
Blaze01 said:
Yes it is.....
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I'm sorry but if it comes down to Drummond v. Lillard, I'm taking Damian 10 times out of 10. Have we not learned our lesson from taking Oden and other players? Lillard has the drive and work ethic of Matthews. The kid is a gym rat and is exactly the type of scoring option we need at the PG position. The characteristics of a great NBA PG today isn't so much being an elite passer (Nash, Paul) as it is about being able to create your own offense, thus relaxing the defense on others and creating offense this way (Rose, Westbrook, etc.) I'm not saying Lillard will be Rose or Russell, but he fits that mold of a PG and even if he turns out to be Rose/Westbrook-Lite, the Blazers finally have a serviceable PG, and one that can relax the D on LA with his range.

I'll take heart over height any day.
 
His baseline 2 handed throw down at NJ was the best of his career!!!!!!!!
 
Short arms and relative lack of strength to finish in traffic I think are probably why he didnt translate that dunking to the NBA.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Short arms and relative lack of strength to finish in traffic I think are probably why he didnt translate that dunking to the NBA.
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Also seems to lack a certain level of body control and was more of a two foot leaper.

Ha, just looked through his field goals over the last three years and he had 10 or so dunks his 2nd year in Portland but only 2 or 3 since he's been with Toronto.
 
Haven't been analyzing clips of Lillard like you guys but no way in hell is he in a league with Rose. I watched a lot of Bayless in college and I would definitively say he doesn't look that explosive either.

I'd compare his athleticism more to Irving, Jrue Holiday, maybe a younger Gilbert Arenas. Certainly good but less explosiveness and more of a smooth/strength combination.
 
Blazer Freak said:
I'm sorry but if it comes down to Drummond v. Lillard, I'm taking Damian 10 times out of 10. Have we not learned our lesson from taking Oden and other players? Lillard has the drive and work ethic of Matthews. The kid is a gym rat and is exactly the type of scoring option we need at the PG position. The characteristics of a great NBA PG today isn't so much being an elite passer (Nash, Paul) as it is about being able to create your own offense, thus relaxing the defense on others and creating offense this way (Rose, Westbrook, etc.) I'm not saying Lillard will be Rose or Russell, but he fits that mold of a PG and even if he turns out to be Rose/Westbrook-Lite, the Blazers finally have a serviceable PG, and one that can relax the D on LA with his range.

I'll take heart over height any day.
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Yup.

Lillard won't be the focal point of the opponents defense like he was in college. I imagine the defensive philosophy against Weber State this year was deny penetration by doubling up top. With Alridge and Batum, there's no way that Lillard will be the focal point of defenses against us.
 
Run BJM said:
Haven't been analyzing clips of Lillard like you guys but no way in hell is he in a league with Rose. I watched a lot of Bayless in college and I would definitively say he doesn't look that explosive either.

I'd compare his athleticism more to Irving, Jrue Holiday, maybe a younger Gilbert Arenas. Certainly good but less explosiveness and more of a smooth/strength combination.
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I would have to agree with you, he is definitely not D-Rose athletic, Derrick is a completely different breed. Those are definitely fair comparisons, and I'd say from what I've seen of Kyrie, Lillard is pretty similar athleticism-wise.

It'll be interesting to see what we hear about him after his workout with POR.
 
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