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Re: 2012 NBA Draft Prospects

I'd rather gamble on one of the bigs rather than Klay. Good shooter, good scorer, but limited upside.
 
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B-Roy said:
I'd rather gamble on one of the bigs rather than Klay. Good shooter, good scorer, but limited upside.
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Rookie of the year, or should be in the conversation. He looks like a 16/5/5 guy to me
 
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Mediocre Man said:
Rookie of the year, or should be in the conversation. He looks like a 16/5/5 guy to me
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There's a 0% chance he's ROY over Irving.

He's nowhere near 16/5/5 now. And again, limited upside.
 
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Klay reminds me of KMart. I'd take a chance on Beal, Lamb, or Rivers over him.
 
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yuyuza1 said:
Klay reminds me of KMart. I'd take a chance on Beal, Lamb, or Rivers over him.
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I'v been against Rivers for awhile, thinking he shouldn't be a lottery pick because I don't think he will ever be a star or an above average starter, but depending on what the plan is in FA I might take a flyer on him with the 11 pick depending on who is available. I think he might be able to offer something to the Blazers we haven't had since we traded Outlaw. A bench player who can come in and just flat out score.
 
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B-Roy said:
There's a 0% chance he's ROY over Irving.

He's nowhere near 16/5/5 now. And again, limited upside.
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I didn't say he was near that now, although for March and April he is averaging 16/3/3. I think he will easily average those numbers going forward. And why does he have limited upside? He is only 22
 
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Rhal said:
I'v been against Rivers for awhile, thinking he shouldn't be a lottery pick because I don't think he will ever be a star or an above average starter, but depending on what the plan is in FA I might take a flyer on him with the 11 pick depending on who is available. I think he might be able to offer something to the Blazers we haven't had since we traded Outlaw. A bench player who can come in and just flat out score.
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I agree, I think Rivers is undervalued right now. I think though that after all the predraft workouts and such he may likely end up a top 10 pick.
 
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Blaze01 said:
I agree, I think Rivers is undervalued right now. I think though that after all the predraft workouts and such he may likely end up a top 10 pick.
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So do I.

I honestly think based on what has happened so far that Lamb has the best chance to be an elite level talent of the SG's
 
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I have come to the conclusion that POR has to take Austin Rivers....

NBA Pedigree (Doc's son)
Great Size for PG (6'4)
Big Shot Ability and Mentality (NC game)
Good Outside shooter (47.7 2pt - 36.5 3pt)
Great Slasher and finisher
Good Vision
Good Defender
Youth\Room for Improvement (turns 20 in Aug)

Played for a bg time program and played well\clutch against some big time schools\players (NC, FSU, OSU, Kansas & Michigan).

There is A LOT of things adding up there to making him a very good pro player...He was only a freshman and he had a heck of a 1st year....

His situation could remind me of Westbrook, who climbed up the boards late in pre-draft process and wnet to OKC, top 5 pick and has turned out to be amuch better pro (fantastic pro) than he was as a college player...I think Rivers could be very similiar...I like him a lot more than Lillard or Marshall....
 
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Blaze01 said:
I have come to the conclusion that POR has to take Austin Rivers....

NBA Pedigree (Doc's son)
Great Size for PG (6'4)
Big Shot Ability and Mentality (NC game)
Good Outside shooter (47.7 2pt - 36.5 3pt)
Great Slasher and finisher
Good Vision
Good Defender
Youth\Room for Improvement (turns 20 in Aug)

Played for a bg time program and played well\clutch against some big time schools\players (NC, FSU, OSU, Kansas & Michigan).

There is A LOT of things adding up there to making him a very good pro player...He was only a freshman and he had a heck of a 1st year....

His situation could remind me of Westbrook, who climbed up the boards late in pre-draft process and wnet to OKC, top 10 pick and has turned out to be amuch better pro (fantastic pro) than he was as a college player...I think Rivers could be very similiar...I like him a lot more than Lillard or Marshall....
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He has great size for a PG, but isn't a PG
 
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Mediocre Man said:
So do I.

I honestly think based on what has happened so far that Lamb has the best chance to be an elite level talent of the SG's
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I like Jeremy Lamb a lot too, for some reason he reminds me of a Rudy Gay kind of player in that he has a lot of natural scoring ability. I think Lamb will be able to score in the NBA, but will be kind of a guy who puts up alot of shots to do it and doesn't add a whole lot else to the team....

When I watch Rudy Gay, I am like, he's a good player, can really score, but I never get the sens that he adds much else to MEM other than that...I get that same kind of impression about Lamb....But having said that, I would not mind if POR drafted him, I think he would be a definite upgrade at SG.
 
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Mediocre Man said:
He has great size for a PG, but isn't a PG
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Yet...

I think he has the potential to be a PG, but he could end up a SG as well, which I dont think would be terrible fallback either. I mean you could say the same about Lillard, except he is 6'2, not the kind of size you want as a SG....

Even look at a guy like Westbrook had a 1.74 a\to as a soph and wasn't nearly as good as a frosh as Rivers...Admittedly I see Rivers as more of a scoring PG, but in today's NBA that is pretty par for the course and I think he has great potential to develop into that #2 (#1?) guy next to LaMarcus.....moreso than Beal or Lamb....

Just a hunch :smiley-shrug:
 
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I like Rivers. What does being a "pure" PG mean anyway. The last one was Kidd/Nash
 
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HCP said:
I like Rivers. What does being a "pure" PG mean anyway. The last one was Kidd/Nash
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I would say it's a guy who looks to pass or run an offense first and only scores out of necessity or to keep a defense honest ... It also has a lot to do with hard to quantify things like leadership, vision, on target passing, understanding how and who to setup, etc.
 
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HCP said:
I like Rivers. What does being a "pure" PG mean anyway. The last one was Kidd/Nash
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Kendall Marshall is a true PG. It's really getting to the point in the league that true PG's aren't needed though.
 
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HCP said:
I like Rivers. What does being a "pure" PG mean anyway. The last one was Kidd/Nash
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Ironically, DraftExpress recently said that Marshall was the best playmaker college basketball has seen since Jason Kidd.
 
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Btw, check out Swish Scout -- IMO this is the second best draft site after DX. They also make some great comparisons.

He makes a compelling argument for Andre Drummond:

Prototypical NBA big body for a true center, natural strength and size at 6’11”, 275 lb., elite length with 7’5” wingspan (7.2% height-wingspan differential)

Uncanny athleticism for a big, excellent leaping ability, impressive end-to-end quickness, super mobile

Respectable post defender and shot blocker, great instincts and anticipation, can “body up” and hold ground, imposing presence in paint
Exceptional rebounder due to length, strength, athleticism and motor, cleans offensive glass for good number of put backs
Skilled center, can handle the ball.
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He's the age Oden was as a senior in HS and 20 lbs. heavier with comparable athletic ability. Can the Blazer finally have some luck and have a Drummond/Beal draft?

Or.. Drummond/Marshall draft.

Fez for GM.
 
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Mediocre Man said:
Kendall Marshall is a true PG. It's really getting to the point in the league that true PG's aren't needed though.
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Maybe not, but they sure don't hurt if you have established guys like LaMarcus or Batum already on your team who seem to do better when people are setting them up.
 
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drummond could conceivably be a top 5 center his rookie year
 
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i think drummond ends up going #2 all said and done
 
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and marshall late teens, or so my source says
 
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My sources say Moe Harkless = top 15 pick.
 
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Fez Hammersticks said:
Ironically, DraftExpress recently said that Marshall was the best playmaker college basketball has seen since Jason Kidd.
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I think he's going to be one this year who increases his draft stock the most.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I would say it's a guy who looks to pass or run an offense first and only scores out of necessity or to keep a defense honest ... It also has a lot to do with hard to quantify things like leadership, vision, on target passing, understanding how and who to setup, etc.
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That type if PG is a dying if not dead breed my friend!
 
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