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Unless something changes, Kidd-Gilchrist is done working out. He won't be visiting the Kings, Blazers or anyone else.I don't see Kidd-Gilchrist slipping past the Kings at 5. No, he didn't work out there, but I don't think the Kings really need him to. He's exactly what they need.
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I think Beal is a perfect fit in Washington thanks to the trade that swapped Rashard Lewis for Trevor Ariza and Emeka Okafor. The Wizards need both a 2 and a shooter, and Beal looks like the perfect fit. If he doesn't go to Washington, I also think he's the slight favorite for the Cavs at No. 4. At this point, I think his agent is right in that he won't slide past the fourth pick.
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After Robinson finishes his workout in Charlotte on Friday, he's also done working out, I'm told.
The workout in Charlotte will be a big one for him. He's going head-to-head against Andre Drummond there. The Bobcats really liked Kidd-Gilchrist in his workout because of his aggressiveness and toughness. If Robinson can match that intensity on Friday, I think he has the leg up to go No. 2. I don't really see Robinson going to Washington or Cleveland based on team needs. The Wizards are loaded with bigs. The Cavs rolled the dice on Tristan Thompson at No. 4 last year and I doubt they'll bring in Robinson. He's too similar to Thompson. I don't, however, think he needs to work out in Sacramento. If he's on the board at No. 5, I think the Kings take him, no questions asked. He'd be a very good complement to DeMarcus Cousins in the low post.
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Barnes also is a serious candidate to go No. 4 to the Cavs. As I've reported previously, the Cavs had Barnes No. 2 on their Big Board last year behind Kyrie Irving and is an obvious fit there. The team needs more shooters and could use the help at the 3. If Beal is off the board, I think it comes down to Barnes and Kidd-Gilchrist. While reports out of Cleveland said Beal bested Barnes at their workout together, team sources say the Cavs don't put a huge amount of stock in workouts and that both players were very good.If Barnes slides past the Cavs, I think the Kings will scoop him up at No. 5.
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Drummond is the odd man out trying to work his way into the top five. I'm told that his upcoming workout in Charlotte will be his last, though he might have to revise that if he believes the Kings and Blazers might pass on him at No. 5 and No. 6.I've heard he had strong workouts in Sacramento and Portland, and I've also heard that the Wizards and Cavs workouts weren't as strong. Sports Illustrated's Sam Amick reported that Robinson destroyed Drummond in the Cavs workout. I haven't heard it described that strongly, but I do think Robinson was considerably more aggressive, and thus much better. Given the age difference, experience gap and different styles, you could expect that, however. They'll have a chance to go head-to-head again in Charlotte. I do think Drummond gets a long look at No. 6 if he falls to the Blazers. However, it's not a guarantee. The team is also high on Damian Lillard and Dion Waiters and could decide they need a scoring guard over a big man project. If he slides past there, the Warriors and Pistons are his next two places to fall.
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So if it goes Davis, Barnes, Beal Ford has no idea what's going on. Good to know.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
So pessimistic - are you off your meds today?
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Why is this pessimistic? Compare Iguodala with #6 picks from previous drafts:

2011: Jan Vesely
2010: Ekpe Udoh
2009: Johnny Flynn
2008: Danilo Gaillinari
2007: Yi Jianlian
2006: Brandon Roy (okay. But maybe he fell because of his knees?)
2005: Martell Webster (yay!)
2004: Josh Childress
2003: Chris Kaman
2002: Dajuan Wagner

I'm telling you: the odds are not good. The #6 pick is a TRAP!

Now, of course, Iguodala was a later pick (#9, 3 picks after Childress) but that was LUCK. We're all in draft pick frenzy where we're thinking that all these guys are awesome. The fact is that possibly 4 will be special, and we don't know which 4. So the pick is a gamble. Iguodala isn't.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Again: WHAT DOES IT SAY?
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Actually, I found one thing fairly interesting. Barnes has not worked out for Portland according to the article. We have heard bits and pieces that the Blazers like him. Could he be the double secret workout?
 
OR...

If it goes Davis, Robinson, Beal, Barnes the Kings will choose MKG, leaving us Lillard v. Drummond
If it goes Davis, Barnes, Beal, then CLE will pass on Robinson for MKG, Kings get Robinson, leaving us Lillard v. Drummond
If it goes Davis, Beal then WAS is screwed. They're set at PF with Nene, SF with Ariza and backup PF/SF with Vesely and Seraphin. They really need a shooting guard, and really DON'T need MKG, Robinson or Barnes. Good trade potential, I think, b/c 6+11 is the best package they'll get offered. For giggles they might take Drummond and sit him behind Nene and Okafor and hope he develops, but I don't think you can wait-and-hope if you're WAS. That'd be the best thing for us, b/c CLE takes Barnes, SAC takes either Robinson or MKG and we get the other.
 
Iguadala would make all kinds of sense for this roster if they really are committed to building around Nic and LMA. Move Wesley to the bench and play him at the 2 and let him create, flanked by Nic and maybe a free agent shooting type point guard picked up in free agency (Mo Williams?) Then take Arnett Moultrie at 11 or try to move the pick and a player for a later pick and center (the rumored Houston-Dalembert deal for instance). I find I'm increasingly ambivalent about keeping the picks, but it won't bother me if they do.

Whatever. So long as the moves make some kind of sense strategically and tactically I can live with the results and at least I won't have to suffer through another year of Failton and Crawful -- it's all a step up in my opinion.
 
So basically we need to figure out what SAC wants to flip picks or hope that CHA, CLE, WAS or SAC are idiots enough to pick Drummond for his upside. Guh.
 
Mediocre Man said:
LOL


I love Barnes, and think he will a very good pro player. I would be delighted if we got him at 6 or got him without overpaying
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I just wish he wasn't one of those "all hat, no cattle" kind of prospects. He was massively underwhelming when it really mattered in the tournament.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I have been on the Blazers will trade their picks bandwagon since we got the picks. Nothing has changed for me


Pizza guy would have absolutely no idea about that anyway
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Yeah, I know you've been thinking that for some time (as have I - even if they stay in the draft, I don't expect them to be picking at least at #6).

Iggy is just a downer to me, so that's why I called you pessimistic. I'd deal #11 for him, though.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Yeah, I know you've been thinking that for some time (as have I - even if they stay in the draft, I don't expect them to be picking at least at #6).

Iggy is just a downer to me, so that's why I called you pessimistic. I'd deal #11 for him, though.
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He would be a downer for me as well. I would prefer someone younger. Olshey could have come in and changed PA's mind on surrounding LA with age appropriate guys too
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Why is this pessimistic? Compare Iguodala with #6 picks from previous drafts:

2011: Jan Vesely
2010: Ekpe Udoh
2009: Johnny Flynn
2008: Danilo Gaillinari
2007: Yi Jianlian
2006: Brandon Roy (okay. But maybe he fell because of his knees?)
2005: Martell Webster (yay!)
2004: Josh Childress
2003: Chris Kaman
2002: Dajuan Wagner

I'm telling you: the odds are not good. The #6 pick is a TRAP!

Now, of course, Iguodala was a later pick (#9, 3 picks after Childress) but that was LUCK. We're all in draft pick frenzy where we're thinking that all these guys are awesome. The fact is that possibly 4 will be special, and we don't know which 4. So the pick is a gamble. Iguodala isn't.
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Iggy is 28.5 years old, his scoring average has dropped everfor the past 3 seasons, not a fan of his contract, and I feel like he's one of those guys who takes a beating (like G-Dub), and those guys eventually start slowing down. I'd rather take a chance on someone at #6 than trade for Iggy.
 
Really, IMO, if Portland keeps the #6 pick.... the best thing would be for Drummond or someone else to move up into the Top-5.

That would leave one of T-Rob, MKG, Beal, and Barnes available to Portland. And if I'm Portland, I have to take whichever of those 4 are available and I'm happy.
 
Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
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BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Iggy is 28.5 years old, his scoring average has dropped everfor the past 3 seasons, not a fan of his contract, and I feel like he's one of those guys who takes a beating (like G-Dub), and those guys eventually start slowing down. I'd rather take a chance on someone at #6 than trade for Iggy.
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Actually it's been dropping since '07-08... BUT: last season was arguably one of his best because of the success the 76ers had, and that came with a slower pace (I think). He's more of a facilitator. And on the plus side, his 3-point shooting was a career high 39%. So you get him for his PG skills and defense, not his scoring. And I still think he's in a lot better shape than Wallace and has very rarely missed a game in his career.

I just think we're way overvaluing the #6 pick. If MKG fell to it, then keep the pick, because he's a young Iggy. If it's Barnes, Lillard or Drummond - none of them will ever be half the player Iggy is.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Lemme ax you a question. What is top 100 SF?
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The "DraftExpress top 100" small forwards are, I guess, the college forwards that DraftExpress ranks as the top 100 college prospects at that position. Or was that some kind of trick question?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
The "DraftExpress top 100" small forwards are, I guess, the college forwards that DraftExpress ranks as the top 100 college prospects at that position. Or was that some kind of trick question?
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Only for my brain. Is that for this year only?

I mean DE themselves have him as the #6 overall best prospect
 
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BLAZINGGIANTS said:
That would leave one of T-Rob, MKG, Beal, and Barnes available to Portland. And if I'm Portland, I have to take whichever of those 4 are available and I'm happy.
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It would be Barnes, and then I wouldn't be happy. At that point I'd much rather have John Henson, an actually useful UNC player.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Actually it's been dropping since '07-08... BUT: last season was arguably one of his best because of the success the 76ers had, and that came with a slower pace (I think). He's more of a facilitator. And on the plus side, his 3-point shooting was a career high 39%. So you get him for his PG skills and defense, not his scoring. And I still think he's in a lot better shape than Wallace and has very rarely missed a game in his career.

I just think we're way overvaluing the #6 pick. If MKG fell to it, then keep the pick, because he's a young Iggy. If it's Barnes, Lillard or Drummond - none of them will ever be half the player Iggy is.
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Even worse - 4 straight years of decreasing PPG. If you're giving him credit for his career-best 3PG shooting, what about his career-worst 62% FT shooting?

I like Iguodola, I just would have been more interested in him in Portland a year or two ago. Now is not the time to add a player who is almost 29 (and older than your best player) in exchange for a pick that could end up being a decent young player.

If you want to add an vet to the roster, add Nash as your PG. But adding Iggy to this roster at the expense of adding young talent/potential.... Unless you can really re-make the rest of the roster quickly, it would be a waste. By the time Portland could potentially be turning it around (say 3 years), Iggy will be 32.

I guess what I'm saying is it really boils down to what other moves Portland can make. If they have something else up their sleeve to help re-shape this roster, by all means, go for it. But if they have nothing else up their sleeves, don't just trade the #6 for Iggy, and hope and risk that another opportunity comes along. Because, in the end, it's hope and risk. Just like hoping and risking that the #6 pick turns out. The difference is we know what Iggy is. The #6 could turn out to be better.

Oh, and Barnes will be a player in the league. I'd rather have Barnes at #6 than Iggy.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
It would be Barnes, and then I wouldn't be happy. At that point I'd much rather have John Henson, an actually useful UNC player.
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WOW - Yikes! Really?

I don't even know what to say. I'll be nice, and I'll keep it simple: You're underestimating Barnes. Will he be a star? Probably not. But he'll be a solid starter in this league.
 
If you’re looking to draft a skilled, versatile forward who has excelled in doing all the little things that will help your team win, take a good look at Jae Crowder. Hell, I wouldn’t hesitate to take him early in the lottery.
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Jae Crowder-early lotto pick. that's who you're going to for advice on barnes. Solid.
 
Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
The Trail Blazers continue to shop #6 and #11. No deal is imminent, but Portland is weighing their options and seeing what's out there.
 
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