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Reep said:
When that 6'6" (rounded up from 6'5.25") guard shoots in the 20% range from three, worse that Andre Miller and Marshall, yes, I would take the unproven player.
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Don't care as much about the 3, we need a take it to the rack, break you off the dribble scorer. Evans exemplifies that.
 
HailBlazers said:
Don't care as much about the 3, we need a take it to the rack, break you off the dribble scorer. Evans exemplifies that.
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It's hard to think of LMA in a non-Nate offense, but a guard without a 3-point shot would give the opponent a free double-team on LMA in many situations.
 
HailBlazers said:
Don't care as much about the 3, we need a take it to the rack, break you off the dribble scorer. Evans exemplifies that.
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How about a guard with all three traits? Bayless shot 42% from three last year and is a rfa. Plus you could get.him without giving up picks
 
Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress

If Kings fans didn't need another reason not to jump off a cliff, there's lots of chatter Sac is considering passing on Barnes for Lillard.
 
From Ken Berger: After Anthony Davis goes to New Orleans with the No. 1 pick, the next four picks, in some order, will be Thomas Robinson, Bradley Beal, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Harrison Barnes, sources say. The draft really begins with the sixth pick, with strong indications in recent days that the Trail Blazers would take Damian Lillard of Weber State. But in the past 24 hours, two other names have surfaced with respect to Portland: Dion Waiters and Austin Rivers. That could be an indication that Portland is considering trading the pick.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
From Ken Berger: After Anthony Davis goes to New Orleans with the No. 1 pick, the next four picks, in some order, will be Thomas Robinson, Bradley Beal, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Harrison Barnes, sources say. The draft really begins with the sixth pick, with strong indications in recent days that the Trail Blazers would take Damian Lillard of Weber State. But in the past 24 hours, two other names have surfaced with respect to Portland: Dion Waiters and Austin Rivers. That could be an indication that Portland is considering trading the pick.
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Or it could mean that Olshey is getting a little worried that everyone knows he wants Lillard so he's feeding the rumor mill to keep GM's guessing.
 
BoBoBREWSKI said:
Or it could mean that Olshey is getting a little worried that everyone knows he wants Lillard.
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That too. I find it interesting that Olshey is said to be super tight-lipped. Even all the workouts.... we only know via agents - he's kept the roster of players working out completely quiet until the workout begins practically. Yet, all we hear is about our interest in Lillard. So, are we really that interested in Lillard? Or is he the guy we've put out there, but we're looking elsewhere?
 
Why would it be an indication of moving the pick? This team needs scorers and our SG depth right now is pitiful. If anything, I think it's an indication we're keeping this pick.

Chad Ford says that Neil will keep this pick but is shopping the #11.
 
More good stuff from that CNN-SI scouts' report:

Austin Rivers, 6-3 guard, Duke: "My biggest concern with him is size. He's never going to be a pure point because it's not in his personality. He's a capable passer, but he hasn't been a willing passer. He's hard to play with, frankly, because he dominates the ball. It depends on who the coach is. I did not like what I saw at Duke. I thought he was spoiled and selfish. He's a streaky outside shooter, not a great one."

Royce White, 6-8 forward, Iowa State: "He's another guy I'd be scared to take and scared not to take. He has uncommon ballhandling skills for a guy with that body type. He's a poor free throw shooter, which is a huge concern. Huge, great hands. He holds the ball like it's a grapefruit. I know he has an issue with flying, but from what I hear that isn't that big a deal. He's making it to all his workouts."
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/seth_davis/06/25/NBA-draft/index.html?sct=nba_t11_a0


anonymous GM's and scouts take on some players

Some we care about

Harrison Barnes, 6-8 forward, North Carolina: "I can't figure him out. I want him to be better than he is, yet what he is is pretty good. His biggest problem is he doesn't have enough toughness. This is a man's league and I don't know for sure if he's the type of guy who will step on you when you're down."
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Andre Drummond, 7-foot center, UConn: "Physically, he's off the charts. I personally don't like him, but it scares me to death to not like him. He's so big, agile and athletic, and by all accounts he's a great, great guy. I don't think he's immature, he's just underdeveloped. The question is whether he loves to play and how hard will he work. People forget he made his decision to go to UConn late and he had some NCAA issues, so he didn't get a normal preseason."
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Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, 6-7 forward, Kentucky: "Your first reaction is how hard he plays. He's not crazy long, but he's long enough. He's not a great shooter, but when guys work that hard, they tend to get better. He's as athletic as Gerald Wallace, but he's a better shooter. He needs to work on his shooting and his ballhandling is just average."
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Jeremy Lamb, 6-5 guard, UConn: "That kid can really play. His facial appearance and body language makes it appear that he doesn't care, but he does. His body is no worse than Rip Hamilton's was. When he played for the under-19 team in Lithuania, it was a tough final game, and he was the best player on the floor. It wasn't even close. He had a tough year at UConn, but it's not his fault."
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Damian Lillard, 6-3 guard, Weber State: "He's the most unselfish scoring point guard I have ever seen. He's a great kid -- a great kid. He played more like a two in college, but he played on a team where if he didn't score 24 points, they wouldn't have won a game. Who was he supposed to pass to? He has a little bit of a chip on his shoulder, like he's out to prove people wrong."
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Kendall Marshall, 6-4 guard, North Carolina: "I don't think he's going to make a poor team a lot better, but if you put him on a team like Oklahoma City or Philadelphia, where he's surrounded by a bunch of athletes, then he can really make them better. He's not a bad shooter. If someone leaves him open, he can knock down a few jumpers. My concern about him is the other side of the ball. Will he be capable of defending quick point guards? He doesn't have great speed, but he knows how to play fast."
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Austin Rivers, 6-3 guard, Duke: "My biggest concern with him is size. He's never going to be a pure point because it's not in his personality. He's a capable passer, but he hasn't been a willing passer. He's hard to play with, frankly, because he dominates the ball. It depends on who the coach is. I did not like what I saw at Duke. I thought he was spoiled and selfish. He's a streaky outside shooter, not a great one."
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Thomas Robinson, 6-9 forward, Kansas: "Size was always a big deal with him, but he measured fine in Chicago. Playing away from the basket is a concern, but he works so hard, I don't see a risk with him. I don't know if he's an all-star, but he has some upside because his shot continues to improve."
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Dion Waiters, 6-4 guard, Syracuse: "I'm a big fan. He's Dwyane Wade-ish. I don't know if he's pure enough to be a two, but he's just a baller. And he definitely has a little toughness in him. The only drawback is he's a little small, but he's thick, and he's a surly guy. He'll be an East Coast version of Rodney Stuckey. I would take him over Jeremy Lamb five times a day."
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What is flawed in this particular article is the fact that while one GM may love a guy, another may hate him, so take these with a grain of salt
 
So once agan POR is going to take a guy b\c he shot the ball well in a 1 v none setting? Say it ain't so Olshey.....ugh....

I wonder if the Waiters rumours (in particular) are coming from Clipper land.....Certainly, even though they had only a 2nd round pick, they had guys ranked and\or discussed whom they liked.....
 
Blaze01 said:
So once agan POR is going to take a guy b\c he shot the ball well in a 1 v none setting? Say it ain't so Olshey.....ugh....

I wonder if the Waiters rumours (in particular) are coming from Clipper land.....Certainly, even though they had only a 2nd round pick, they had guys ranked and\or discussed whom they liked.....
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Well, for some drills he had Dickau guarding him with a dash of Hershey Hawkins.
 
If the draft went Davis, Robinson, Beal, MKG, Lillard, would you want Drummond, Waiters or Barnes?
 
Reep said:
If the draft went Davis, Robinson, Beal, MKG, Lillard, would you want Drmmond, Waiters or Barnes?
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Barnes, Waiters, then Drummond.

I have seen more of Waiters than the other two, but I'm still just going what I see on TV, and without having a clue what the rest of the team's plans are. At this point, I'm pretty comfortable they have a guy or two in mind they want at #6, and that they're comfortable will be solid.
 
Blaze01 said:
So once agan POR is going to take a guy b\c he shot the ball well in a 1 v none setting? Say it ain't so Olshey.....ugh....
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Are you not aware of the fact that they put the draftee's thru a ton of drills and situations before the media gets to see them shoot solo?
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Says the guy who posted the same Waiters' info 18 times.
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I think I would take Drmmond. Barnes looks like a better Langdon to me.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
Well, for some drills he had Dickau guarding him with a dash of Hershey Hawkins.
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Lol I know, and Born...it is so bad it is almost funny....

and then possibly trading up for him? This kid better be the next fucking coming or heads should roll....I cannot even fathom picking him above guys like Robinson\Beal\Barnes or MKG....
 
BoBoBREWSKI said:
Are you not aware of the fact that they put the draftee's thru a ton of drills and situations before the media gets to see them shoot solo?
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Are you not aware that 1 vs none or vs a bunch of old coaches doesn't come CLOSE to simulating a real game situation let alone playing against top tier NBA competition?

Back to Homerville for you....
 
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