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Mediocre Man said:
Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider
If @JayBilas, @GottliebShow, @franfraschilla and I were making all the picks, our Mock Draft would look like this:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draf...ba-draft-experts-make-their-picks-first-round

Bilas

6. Portland Trail Blazers
The pick: Harrison Barnes, North Carolina Tar Heels


Barnes is a skilled and athletic shooter with maturity and terrific potential to be a better pro than a college player. He shoots it particularly well in the midrange, and his athleticism allows him to have an impact at both ends of the floor. He's a good pick for the Blazers here. --


Frachilla
11. Portland Trail Blazers
The pick: Jeremy Lamb, Connecticut Huskies


The Blazers have already gotten one talented wing player in this mock draft in Barnes, and here they land another young perimeter guy to surround All-Star power forward LaMarcus Aldridge. Lamb can thank his dysfunctional UConn team for causing him to drop this far in the draft, but Portland will be glad that he's available. He has shown he can shoot the deep ball, but it is his 60 percent shooting inside the arc that impresses me most. It proves that he can also score at the rim and in the mid-range. -- F.F.
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I'd be cool with this result. Lamb has dropped on my board some. He appears to be somewhat dumb and/or immature, but you have to like his upside.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
I'd be cool with this result. Lamb has dropped on my board some. He appears to be somewhat dumb and/or immature, but you have to like his upside.
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Barnes AND Lamb when we have huge needs at PG and C? I would not like that when I see other guys as equal BPA's at those draft spots, maybe one, but not both
 
Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress
Using Synergy Situational Stats to compare the draft's best guard prospects: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Situational-Statistics-the-2012-Guard-Crop-4002 (Beal, Lillard, Waiters, Rivers, etc)

Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress
We're not going to talk about specifics of red-flags until after guys drop. Too many different opinions from teams/doctors about conditions.

Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress
One team's doctor might consider a player completely untouchable based on their physical. Another might say its not an issue long term.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Chris Sheridan ‏@sheridanhoops
Here's 5 guys who will be picked too low in the #NBA #draft. And 5 guys who will go too high

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/06/27/mitnick-potential-nba-draft-busts-and-steals/
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"If athleticism and attitude could produce points, Kidd-Gilchrist would probably be a top-15 NBA player as a rookie. Unfortunately for MKG, the NBA is a league where most players require a defined skill to make a big impact. Kidd-Gilchrist is a sure-fire NBA rotation player simply because of his combination of strength, speed, hustle and work ethic. But I don’t see him being a star unless he finds a niche offensively. He definitely will make an impact in the league, but he is at risk of being unfairly labeled a bust – a la Marvin Williams – if a team uses a top 5 pick on him in what many “experts” are calling an excellent draft class."

Glad to see someone else feels the same way I do about MKG.
 
Blazinaway said:
Barnes AND Lamb when we have huge needs at PG and C? I would not like that when I see other guys as equal BPA's at those draft spots, maybe one, but not both
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PG can be addressed through FA and C is something that the draft should almost never be relied upon to fill.
 
Natebishop3 said:
PG can be addressed through FA and C is something that the draft should almost never be relied upon to fill.
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Maybe and maybe not, the available C's that we have a realistic chance at and of not seriously overy paying are few anf they are not that good, same with PG's unless we "might" get Dragic who seems more likely to go back to HOU and if we wanted him it would likely be a BIG overpay. Two wings in this draft is not smart IMO UNLESS we have trades lines up to address other needs.
 
Blazinaway said:
Maybe and maybe not, the available C's that we have a realistic chance at and of not seriously overy paying are few anf they are not that good, same with PG's unless we "might" get Dragic who seems more likely to go back to HOU and if we wanted him it would likely be a BIG overpay. Two wings in this draft is not smart IMO UNLESS we have trades lines up to address other needs.
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I think as a fan base, we sould all start thinking in terms of multiple year retool, or whatever they are calling it? Portland needs to add talent. If that means drafting both Beal and Lamb because they are the most talented on the board when we pick, then do it. Address "needs" with short term fixes. Then trade players at position we are deep at to fill fill holes when you get good enough to matter
 
Blazinaway said:
Maybe and maybe not, the available C's that we have a realistic chance at and of not seriously overy paying are few anf they are not that good, same with PG's unless we "might" get Dragic who seems more likely to go back to HOU and if we wanted him it would likely be a BIG overpay. Two wings in this draft is not smart IMO UNLESS we have trades lines up to address other needs.
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We need to draft BPA right now. Not need. Picking Zeller or Leonard at 11 would be a massive mistake when there are other players on the board that could be something special.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I think as a fan base, we sould all start thinking in terms of multiple year retool, or whatever they are calling it? Portland needs to add talent. If that means drafting both Beal and Lamb because they are the most talented on the board when we pick, then do it. Address "needs" with short term fixes. Then trade players at position we are deep at to fill fill holes when you get good enough to matter
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I agree with this, however from everything I have read there are "tiers" in this draft and it is VERY likely when we pick it's a coin flip between perhaps 2 or 3 players which one is BPA, if that's the case (which I think it is) then IMO you pick position of need. However if the drafting staff think there is a clearly superior player then you go with him regardless of position - I just don't think that is likely when talking about BOTH of our picks and having them be wings.
 
From that radio show:

Rivers was elite in high school but just good in college. Lacks athletic ability and size to make next step. Comparable to OJ Mayo. Very confident player. Could be a tough teammate if he doesnt adjust.
 
Blazinaway said:
I agree with this, however from everything I have read there are "tiers" in this draft and it is VERY likely when we pick it's a coin flip between perhaps 2 or 3 players which one is BPA, if that's the case (which I think it is) then IMO you pick position of need. However if the drafting staff think there is a clearly superior player then you go with him regardless of position - I just don't think that is likely when talking about BOTH of our picks and having them be wings.
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Olshey said when he was hired that his process was tiers. Then said if multiple players from the top tier remaining were on the board when we picked, he would pick for position.
 
Ford continued:

Davis will be a mix of Duncan and Garnett. System and talent level of team doesnt show how good he is.
 
Boise Blazer said:
From that radio show:

Rivers was elite in high school but just good in college. Lacks athletic ability and size to make next step. Comparable to OJ Mayo. Very confident player. Could be a tough teammate if he doesnt adjust.
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Good info, thanks.

Olshey likes those great high school players though
 
More Ford:

Beal, about 70% of GM's have him at pick 2. Likes MKG a little better. Beautiful shooting stroke. Shined more when Donovan gave him more freedom at the end of the season. Compares to Eric Gordon
 
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Natebishop3 said:
We need to draft BPA right now. Not need. Picking Zeller or Leonard at 11 would be a massive mistake when there are other players on the board that could be something special.
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and this is where perhaps "your" opinion differrs from many if not most of the mocks I have seen that have Zeller or Leonard being picked at the area of the #11 pick, I'll take their opinion over yours. BTW I am not saying we should take either one at #11 but your saying it "would be a massive mistake" seems out of whack given that many mocks rate them being picked there - they may very well be BPA there
 
Mediocre Man said:
Olshey said when he was hired that his process was tiers. Then said if multiple players from the top tier remaining were on the board when we picked, he would pick for position.
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exactly, it all comes down to what players go in what tiers, and that can certainly differ which is why we go thru this process! However saying a C might not be BPA at #11 and a huge mistake I think is not a fair statement given what many if not most of the mocks are suggesting
 
Blazinaway said:
exactly, it all comes down to what players go in what tiers, and that can certainly differ which is why we go thru this process! However saying a C might not be BPA at #11 and a huge mistake I think is not a fair statement given what many if not most of the mocks are suggesting
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I am assuming like me, it's his opinion not to take a white center in the lottery. Hopefully Olshey and company know their history
 
Mediocre Man said:
I am assuming like me, it's his opinion not to take a white center in the lottery. Hopefully Olshey and company know their history
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Playing into the history I would take spencer hawes or chris kaman right about now
 
Mediocre Man said:
I am assuming like me, it's his opinion not to take a white center in the lottery. Hopefully Olshey and company know their history
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Opinion? I hope it's a rule carved into stone hanging in his office.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Playing into the history I would take spencer hawes or chris kaman right about now
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Kaman has had a career 14.5 PER, averaged 12/8/1.5 blk per season

Hawes has had a career 13.6 PER, averaged 8.5/5.5/1 blk per season

You really want that in a lottery pick?
 
Mediocre Man said:
Kaman has had a career 14.5 PER, averaged 12/8/1.5 blk per season

Hawes has had a career 13.6 PER, averaged 8.5/5.5/1 blk per season

You really want that in a lottery pick?
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With pick 11, sure. Those guys are better than a lot of guys taken at 11, as sad as that is to say
 
Natebishop3 said:
Hawes would be a solid pickup. The question is how much he's going to command when he hits the market.
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and I have "read" Zeller will be (or already is) a better version of Hawes, whether I or you agree with this is not the point, but some supposed anaylst/s did have that "opinion". Hawes does not impress me at all, serviceable at C but little more IMO

I just found that "opinion" I read:

"Tyler Zeller’s shooting and passing abilities remind one Western Conference scouting director of Spencer Hawes.

"This is a safe pick," the scouting director said. "You're not going to hit a home run, but you know you're at least going to get a single out of this deal. He'll make some elbow jumpers and he's got some low post moves. You've got an accomplished player. At the least, he should be no worse -- ever -- than Spencer Hawes, and probably better."

Zeller, a 7-foot, 250-pound center out of North Carolina, may not have the requisite strength to contribute right away.

"He seems to be a hard working kid, so you don't worry about that," an Eastern Conference VP said. "That'll happen naturally. He's 22. By the time he's 25 he'll be all right."

Via David Aldridge/NBA.com


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...aws_Comparison_To_Spencer_Hawes#ixzz1z0WLlKuM
 
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So you're drafting for a chance at someone being the next Spencer Hawes.... or you could just sign Spencer Hawes and use that pick on someone who could be the next..... something better than Spencer Hawes. :dunno:
 
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