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Hearing that the Ducks have as many as 8 silent commits, at least a few of who have been mentioned already in this thread, and whined about...
 
to be clear... Ifo Jackson and Dargan all had more tackles then Jordan
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Jordan presence on the field commands and double allowing others to tackle more! Nice logic!

Every season involves turnover, but the loss of Senior leaders is rarely filled by incoming Freshman. Almost always guys already in the program step into that void. Returning players who've underwhelmed initially often take big steps forward with another year of training in the program under their belts. For sure those guys listed above will be fondly remembered, but I can recall these exact same type of concerns were being expressed when Matthews Paysinger and Rowe were graduating. Good thing the Duckies have many bad asses already on board, I'm looking forward to them adding a few more

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Tell that to AA, Buckner, DAT, Marshall, Addison, Colt and Balducci! OOO would that be our most explosive offensive player our starting DLine for two games and our best TE who all have played meaingful minutes as true freshman? Perhaps as always we'll just agree to disagree!
 
In other news, Reuben Foster decommits from Auburn. He has Georgia, Bama, and Washington in his schools to visit.

Washington?

Really?

And this is from the kid who had a tattoo of the Auburn logo on him.
 
Zalsa said:
In other news, Reuben Foster decommits from Auburn. He has Georgia, Bama, and Washington in his schools to visit.

Washington?

Really?

And this is from the kid who had a tattoo of the Auburn logo on him.
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Tosh has all the 5 star and half the 4 star x box live account names.
 
Ghost Pepper said:
Jordan presence on the field commands and double allowing others to tackle more! Nice logic!
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you were trumpeting him as leading the team in tackles but the facts are he isn't in the top 5. Getting mad at me doesn't change the facts. Another fact (according to coach Allioti) is that it's the inside D-Lineman in their 3-4 who draw the double teams freeing up the LBs to make tackles... teams generally don't double the Drop End because they often drop off the line into coverage. But then again, what does coach Aliotti know about his own Defense compared to you?

Tell that to AA, Buckner, DAT, Marshall, Addison, Colt and Balducci! OOO would that be our most explosive offensive player our starting DLine for two games and our best TE who all have played meaingful minutes as true freshman? Perhaps as always we'll just agree to disagree!
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which one of those guys won a starting role as a Freshman? The answer is of course that they were all backups except arguably DAT. Being pressed into a starting role because of injury doesn't make one the starter, it makes them a backup filling in with a spot start. The starting roles that the departing seniors left are almost without exception filled by guys already in the program. The backup role is what incoming Freshman are competing for, but thats not what you were talking about. Your concern about who's going to provide the speed rush from the Drop End spot next season probably will be addressed by French & Carriger who were both top sprinters in HS despite being 6'5 230. Addressing the future, there are several prospects they're pursuing... I'm hearing Aliotti may have secured a Jan. OV from USC commit Torrodney Prevot. Like Vanderdoes, I'm sure that TP being 6'3 is too short to play on the DLine in your view, but I'm still excited

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Bostwick did get a conditional offer and is interested in setting up a visit. Rumor might have a commit per Biggins. Not sure who, maybe that 2 star Joe Walker if he visits.
 
Just saw that too. Thanks Diagostu. Too fast for me! :)
 
I'm all for diamond in the rough recruits, but I think we have a few already and another with Joe Miller is not quite my ideal.
 
Daigotsu said:
I'm all for diamond in the rough recruits, but I think we have a few already and another with Joe Miller is not quite my ideal.
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I hear ya, but some of my favorite Ducks ever are those Diamonds in the rough. So I still get excited. Byrd, Chung, and Thurmond had a combined 7 Stars out of 15 possible. I tried to look up Ward so I could get the full D-Boys total, but am having trouble locating it.
 
Wheels said:
I hear ya, but some of my favorite Ducks ever are those Diamonds in the rough. So I still get excited. Byrd, Chung, and Thurmond had a combined 7 Stars out of 15 possible. I tried to look up Ward so I could get the full D-Boys total, but am having trouble locating it.
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I know, I know. And Miller is JC who are often under evaluated. Maybe that experiance will help him make a move fast. I just are worried about next years LB corps.
 
Daigotsu said:
I know, I know. And Miller is JC who are often under evaluated. Maybe that experiance will help him make a move fast. I just are worried about next years LB corps.
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True. But also I remember having the same exact feeling of "How are we gonna replace the LB Corps of Paysinger, Matthews, and Kaddu?" its important to remember they werent very highly thought of either coming out. Paysinger was a 2* WR, Matthews was a 3*(5.7 just under a 4*), and Kaddu also was a 2*. They rounded out into one of the top UO Linebacker Corps in history. (Probably only 2nd to the current one)

Our LB's that are primed for more Playing Time - Tyson Coleman, Rahim Cassell, Lokombo (All were 3* and Coleman and Lokombo were 5.7 ratings just under 4* rivals rating) Anthony Wallace was a 4* Brett Bafaro was 4* and Christian French who is playing some hybrid DE/LB was a 4* ATH.

I guess the moral of my rant is, what used to be our ceiling in (recruiting) "Star Power" now appears to be our floor. And these are the same coaches who coached up the less recruited kids. If we had coaches who werent able to develop, then I would be more worried. But to take a page out of Stomp's playbook "The cupboards are hardly bare" :cheers: (not that I think that you think they are bare)
 
Daigotsu said:
Bostwick did get a conditional offer and is interested in setting up a visit. Rumor might have a commit per Biggins. Not sure who, maybe that 2 star Joe Walker if he visits.
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http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Joe-Walker-142044

he's a JC kid that has the size to play inside. He's been offered by Duke, Syracuse and Texas A&M and had over 100 tackles last season. Rivals is reporting via an exchange of texts with Joe that he hasn't committed

Btw... 2* generally means that a prospect hasn't been scouted by the recruiting site.

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more stuff on Walker. He graduated HS in 2010 but immediately had surgery on a torn shoulder labrum. He probably played with the injury throughout his Sr. year. He sat out 2011 rehabbing and played JC ball last year, so he's got 4 years to play 3. I'm hearing that Oregon has been recruiting him for a while and that his JC coach called him his best prospect in his 10 years

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Daigotsu said:
I'm all for diamond in the rough recruits, but I think we have a few already and another with Joe Miller is not quite my ideal.
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who are these diamonds you speak of and who is Joe Miller?

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Wheels said:
I hear ya, but some of my favorite Ducks ever are those Diamonds in the rough. So I still get excited. Byrd, Chung, and Thurmond had a combined 7 Stars out of 15 possible. I tried to look up Ward so I could get the full D-Boys total, but am having trouble locating it.
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Iirc, TJ was injured his Sr. year and not scouted by the sites so he's a default 2*

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Great :<

Home field advantage. We need people like Chip to stay in Oregon so that Oregon could develop a culture of football like Alabama has(Bear Bryant)
 
The answer is of course that they were all backups except arguably DAT. Being pressed into a starting role because of injury doesn't make one the starter, it makes them a backup filling in with a spot start. The starting roles that the departing seniors left are almost without exception filled by guys already in the program
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Where your logic is again clearly lagging is if these guys were in the system as you keep preaching why were Buckner, AA, DAT, COLT, Balducci, Addison, Stanford, Brown needed right now to fill in when these starters were injured? Where's the depth you speak of at these positions? If they are there as you rant, these kids wouldn't be needed right now, would they? They were needed for their talent which is a mix of a few major ingrediants, size, strength, ability and being damn good high school football players and that goes back to the need for GREAT RECRUITING thus what this thread is about!

So you can talk all you want about the system and cupboard not bare and blah blah but great recruits like AA, DAT, COLT, BUCKNER, Marshall and Addison seem to cut the line in a hurry! That's why recruiting is soooooo important and stars do count!

That is why we need to pick it up recruiting wise and get a Bostwick and some bad ass lb's and a couple more secondary lock down players.... If they are good, they can play at Oregon right off the bat as we've seen all year here!

BTW Stomp - A spot start is an occasional play here and there, I don't think it's fair or honest to say AA, Buckner, DAT, COLT, Marshall, Addison, Johnstone or "Grassu last year'" spot started! These kids have contributed huge in the last two years as true freshman. Do not belittle their contributions! These kids walked right over your depth chart and right on to the field!
 
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Daigotsu said:
Joe Walker officially committed to Oregon
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A big get for the Ducks. Fills a position of need, already has decent size, and is dedicated to both his studies and playing football. I think he'll challenge for a starting spot next season.
 
How do you feel about 247 giving him a full analysis recently and only grading him a 2 star? (they obviously don't think highly of him.)

They may pretty much be armchair scouts, but they do look at a lot of players.
 
Daigotsu said:
How do you feel about 247 giving him a full analysis recently and only grading him a 2 star? (they obviously don't think highly of him.)

They may pretty much be armchair scouts, but they do look at a lot of players.
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Heres what the national recruiting guys at rivals are saying as to why he hasn't been rated by them. Because of injury Joe didn't play last year and hadn't shown what he could do at the JC level, so he wasn't on the radar going into this season. Coming off a huge year (100+ tackles), having excellent size and speed, and generating offers from two top 10 programs, I'm pretty sure that he'll be rated by all the sites before signing day.

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Ghost Pepper said:
Where your logic is again clearly lagging is if these guys were in the system as you keep preaching why were Buckner, AA, DAT, COLT, Balducci, Addison, Stanford, Brown needed right now to fill in when these starters were injured? Where's the depth you speak of at these positions? If they are there as you rant, these kids wouldn't be needed right now, would they? They were needed for their talent which is a mix of a few major ingrediants, size, strength, ability and being damn good high school football players and that goes back to the need for GREAT RECRUITING thus what this thread is about!
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what you're doing has nothing to do with logic. Because I showed yet another of your statements was nonsense, you're trying to move the goal posts and claim you were talking about something else. Obviously football is a rough game and you need good backups as you never know when a starter is going down. Pretending that was your point all along is laughable

So you can talk all you want about the system and cupboard not bare and blah blah but great recruits like AA, DAT, COLT, BUCKNER, Marshall and Addison seem to cut the line in a hurry! That's why recruiting is soooooo important and stars do count!
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No one has ever said stars don't matter, just that they definitely aren't the end all be all and should be viewed with some context when available. Personally I'm pretty optimistic about this current class, in part because the individuals are so highly rated. With many examples, I'm aware that rivals rankings aren't the bible truth of whats to be, but they're a good rough guide and have earned some trust as an indicator. Conversely, you've recently been throwing a hilarious hissy with your despair over this class

BTW Stomp - A spot start is an occasional play here and there, I don't think it's fair or honest to say AA, Buckner, DAT, COLT, Marshall, Addison, Johnstone or "Grassu last year'" spot started!
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good grief, a spot start means that a backup is pressed into starting duty filling in for the guy who won the starting role until he gets back. This isn't some mystery terminolgy... if you're confused, try google

and newsflash... Johnstone and Grassu were redshirted their freshman seasons which makes them good examples of my counter to your nonsense that the starters generally come from guys already in the program rather then true freshman. 5* Colt never started a game as a freshman over Sr. David Paulson (who was a 3* when he came out of HS). Marshall, Stanford, & Addison never started but were more quality depth guys. Yes AA and Buckner were pressed into bigger roles due to injuries to multiple players ahead of them on the depth chart and garnered 2 spot starts apiece... they got so thin that they pulled Balducci's Redshirt off late in the season and game him a spot start too. That could have happened anywhere on the roster including QB where two solid prospects Redshirted. The only true freshman thats been more then a spot starter/quality depth guy these last couple seasons has been DAT. Thats not belittling anyone silly, thats the facts. Obviously you and the facts have issues... feel free to direct your anger at them rather then me for pointing them out

next year the only place I see real potential for a true freshman (outside a Nkemdiche-esk surprise) to win a starting spot is at RB, but Marshall is probably the favorite. Kiko's Interior LB spot could be in the mix but probably someone in the program wins out... overall their depth chart looks pretty steep. They only graduate 10 guys from this years rotation so there really aren't that many openings... which is also why this is going to be a smallish class

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STOMP said:
Heres what the national recruiting guys at rivals are saying as to why he hasn't been rated by them. Because of injury Joe didn't play last year and hadn't shown what he could do at the JC level, so he wasn't on the radar going into this season. Coming off a huge year (100+ tackles), having excellent size and speed, and generating offers from two top 10 programs, I'm pretty sure that he'll be rated by all the sites before signing day.

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The comment wasn't about rivals, though I am unsure when they ranked him though yes they do have him at 2 stars a well. It was about 247 which ranked him 6 days ago on December 4th of this year, they are the ones who think poorly of him. They have this years tape on him, and don't think much of him 17th ranked JC olb, which would put him below the 129th ranked HS OLB. Which would mean they looked at the JC olb tape and thought he wasn't as impressive as 16 other JC players at his position Overall the best they would rank him is the 146th ranked OLB, and probably below that.

I shall also assume that the person who runs DT was possibly involved in ranking him. So he decided a few days ago he was pretty much in the range of the 150th ranked in the position of OLB nationally, and now he is talking him up just for the sake of the 247 readers.

He ranked him 6 days ago, there is no time lag excuse, if he is better than that they should have ranked him so. Either it is a huge failure on what they mean 247 to be ranking wise, or they are just trying to pull a fast one by fluffing the people who pay for their Oregon Articles.

They have some of the more delusional fans going he's better than Mike Mitchell, or well at least as good.
 
Daigotsu said:
He ranked him 6 days ago, there is no time lag excuse, if he is better than that they should have ranked him so. Either it is a huge failure on what they mean 247 to be ranking wise, or they are just trying to pull a fast one by fluffing the people who pay for their Oregon Articles.

They have some of the more delusional fans going he's better than Mike Mitchell, or well at least as good.
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Hopkins really reranked the JC guys 6 days ago and specifically claimed that Walker was in that? I'm not a big fan of 247, but I find that hard to believe. Regardless, it was Aliotti/Pellum who've been recruiting 2* Kaddu, 2* Paysinger, 3* Matthews, 3* Kiko & 3* Clay... the first 3 listed there are in the NFL and the last 2 are going to be. Their judgement (not Hopkins or rivals etc...) has proven to be about as good an indicator of a quality player as I have

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Don't think Clay will be drafted, only Paysinger is doing anything in the NFL currently as Kaddu is inactive and Matthews is buried in depth chart. Still more than most players can say.

If you check his 247 profile, it actually has a note listed for Walker that he was rated on dec 4th.

I'm not saying he might not turn out to be good, my issue isn't with Oregon's coaching staff but more of questioning the ranking sites and how they are handling this commitment.
 
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