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Please keep in mind Daigotsu, Stomp also preached how Rollls wouldn't make an impact as a true freshman if even make the rotation this year, and stated so in other posts. Now Rolls has done what no other back in Oregon history has done and not as a redshirt but a true freshman! He'll also be freshman of the year hands down!

Imagine if we had a Rolls on the defensive side of the ball too? You're absolutely right in what you're saying!
 
Please keep in mind Daigotsu, Stomp also preached how Rollls wouldn't make an impact as a true freshman

link?

you won't provide one because it doesn't exist. I've said Royce would have a hard time surpassing two established backs and that it's not commonly done. I've never said that he wouldn't as unlike you, I root for the Ducks to succeed.

How is your "hoped for 7-4" record going?

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Telling someone they have OCD is a personal attack unless you're a DR. are you?

good grief with the constant drama and hypocrisy. You've repeatedly flat claimed I have various mental afflictions/need to take my meds and now you're going to cry poor innocent victim about me saying you're exhibiting OCD behavior for repeating the same exact crap take for the billionth time? Demonstrating once again that you can't (or refuse to) grasp our very simple board rules isn't an excuse anymore.

Believe me, no one cares & everyone is sick of this shit

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Enough with conversation with those that think 3 stars are as good as 5 stars.

who has contended that? Classic Strawman tactic to avoid addressing what was actually said

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who has contended that? Classic Strawman tactic to avoid addressing what was actually said

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You have." It's not what a prospect is rated that matters, it's who they turn out to be."
This was after your nonsequitur about Nelson, who no one was disappointed about after looking at the tape and understanding how his year long injury effected his ranking.

You then use a Mufi/ KLS weight height comparison to imply they are physically the same, then go on to talk about how 5 stars are just physically better and how that causes them to be worse technicall ." . I've no reason to think of most 5*s as technically better then others in their class, in fact I'd suspect it's usually just the opposite where they've been succeeding with superior athleticism and have further to go on the finer points. "


Statistically higher ranked players are more likely to make team impacts than their lower ranked counterparts. Both will have their exceptions, i feel fine in my disappointment in not landing KLS andcapparently not pursuing cowart or gallimore hard enough.

Three stars who are studs are great and often miss ranked like walker or nelson were, despite good offers and great tape.

With armstead, and washington and maybe buckner leaving I would have liked another elite DE outside of canton to come in and compete. We seemed to have washed out there and the team is looking at JC who are more experienced but riskier to come in and provide competition there.
 
If I'm not mistaking Nelson was a very highly rated player out of Florida until he tore his ACL/ MCL junior year in high school, and all the big boy programs ran away from him except the Ducks. This is the kid I'm pretty sure who came out on an official in that typhoon of rain last year against WSU and committed the same weekend, saying the Ducks were his dream school?


I think with Buckner, Canton and Balducci we could even be better next year on the ridiculous 3- hybrid than this year. Something tells me Canton is what we all Ducks hoped AA would be and never really became!

That said we need depth at the DT position, we are an injury away from being in tough shape in the trenches.
 
If I'm not mistaking Nelson was a very highly rated player out of Florida until he tore his ACL/ MCL junior year in high school, and all the big boy programs ran away from him except the Ducks. This is the kid I'm pretty sure who came out on an official in that typhoon of rain last year against WSU and committed the same weekend, saying the Ducks were his dream school?

you're blending Charles Nelson memories with Tony James. James was the later memory, except that was against Cal.

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you're blending Charles Nelson memories with Tony James. James was the later memory, except that was against Cal.

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Nope, he is right. James injury was his senior year near the end. Nelson missed pretty much all of his junior year.
 
Nelson is a bad example we were afterhim for awhile. Now we are looking at fillers like benoit and hobbs were.

No we weren't. Since you've talked so much shit, I did some research & surprise surprise, you're full of it. He was Oregon's low 3* fall back Tazer option after Budda Baker switched to UW... they didn't offer him until January 2014. Here's the money quote from Scott Frost to Nelson's coach following CN's Senior year... 'Is it too late to get in on this guy?'

http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2014/11/charles_nelson_can_do_anything.html

You have." It's not what a prospect is rated that matters, it's who they turn out to be." This was after your nonsequitur about Nelson, who no one was disappointed about after looking at the tape and understanding how his year long injury effected his ranking.

I know one person who was disappointed about them offering Nelson. Here's Mr. Disappointed in the 2014 thread after Budda decommitted & right after I relayed they were having Nelson in for an OV...

Lots of new interest in low 3 star recruits, not enthused about it. enough projects as it is imo, I know they are backups if plans don't work out but still...

egg meet face

You then use a Mufi/ KLS weight height comparison to imply they are physically the same

good grief Miss Cleo. I was comparing them for the exact reasons I've repeatedly stated I was comparing them. Two Drop End prospects. One a poster really really wants who is listed 6'6 220, another he's blowing off as "too skinny" who is listed 6'6 215. Thats it! Neither of us mentioned their talent. For talent evaluations, I trust the consistently successful coaches of the very unlikely #2 team in the country to continue to spot the diamonds in the rough much more then I trust the recruiting sites that are annually proven wrong. Apparently you're just the opposite. To each their own.

Unlike Nelson, Oregon truly has been after Mufi for a long time as they offered him last summer. While it isn't a good thing that they missed on someone they obviously really liked as evidenced by having KL-S in early on an OV, that Mufi has offers from most of the Pac 12 makes it seem like he must be pretty good too.

then go on to talk about how 5 stars are just physically better and how that causes them to be worse technicall ." . I've no reason to think of most 5*s as technically better then others in their class, in fact I'd suspect it's usually just the opposite where they've been succeeding with superior athleticism and have further to go on the finer points. "

You've given me every reason to think that attempting to walk you through this is an exercise in futility. I'll pass

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Yep is was Cal and a storm like I've not seen, and both were from Florida, but I'm pretty sure Nelson almost suicide picked us like James did? Pretty sure Nelson was ranked pretty well before his injury though....

Both really wanted to be Ducks, and coming from Florida I thought that was a huge statement that the Ducks had become a national recruiting brand!
 
As for recruiting again.... We need a stud backup for Balducci if he gets hurt next year... I'm not seeing that 6'4 300 pound take on a double guy in the middle yet on the recruiting trail and that has to be a major concern.

Maybe Kamp in a pinch.... Outside of him no one on this team fits that DT, NG spot that well..... Maloata is a good year away from being a dependable starter till he figures out his leverage and newly acquired weight....
 
Yep is was Cal and a storm like I've not seen, and both were from Florida, but I'm pretty sure Nelson almost suicide picked us like James did?

no idea what a suicide pick might be. Both guys liked the Ducks from afar and committed on their OVs like a lot of prospects do.

Pretty sure Nelson was ranked pretty well before his injury though.

he was a highly touted prospect early on in his HS days, but he was injured prior to the services doing their rankings. Read the article I linked and you'll see that Oregon wasn't aware of him until very late in the cycle

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If Nelson was even 6'1 he'd be a SCARY Safety or DB! This kid is explosive!
 
What's left

QB-
Flip Murray
have several open Scholarships take a flyer on Trent Hosick
Get Miller post season.
Most likely none of the above.

RB/WR

There is Merritt, and that's it. No news on that front. Him or Bust.

OL
Uluave, not really for this class because we are full. but it counts because he'll go on his mission and play in 2017. Him or Bust

TE-
We're done. Got one Project will probably focus more on next class.

DB-
Tell
Spencer
Doherty
I think we'll take one, only two if we land Tell (which is extremely unlikely) Depends on if Spencer or Doherty contacts the coaches first.

LB-
Houston
Bartlett
Durant
I feel Bartlett has distanced himself, and may choose colorado or someplace closer to home. Houston we have more of a shot than say Tell or flipping Murray but still unlikely. Durant who knows. 50/50 for both Bartlett or Durant. 1 in 10 for houston.

DL-
Manu, he is pretty much a silent.
Beckner, only if he visits but unlikely
green, Snow ball in hell

seem to be in a waiting game now.
 
Daigotsu

What's your feeling on why we can pretty much recruit any offensive player we want but can't close a D line player or LB of high star value in years?

Canton and AA may be our most well known as of late, and I have no doubt that if either had committed to USC they'd have a 5th star to boot, just like Royce didn't and Taj lost for coming here!

So on D is it.....


Coaching? Scheme? Players don't think our D is a priority rather a stop gap till the offense can throw up more points? I don't think the weather excuse will hold to much water these days with the kind of players on O coming here and from where.
 
Location. elite players like us but so far away. Top 3 for KSL, top 5 for Green. Players like Cowart jerking us around and not showing taking up valuable recruiting time. Defensive brand is an issue, even if quality is better than other pac schools who pull more of the stars.
 
What's your feeling on why we can pretty much recruit any offensive player we want but can't close a D line player or LB of high star value in years?

Canton and AA may be our most well known as of late, and I have no doubt that if either had committed to USC they'd have a 5th star to boot, just like Royce didn't and Taj lost for coming here!

why continually repeat stuff that has no basis in reality? It's great that you've an active imagination and all, but neither Royce or Taj were downgraded following choosing Oregon... in fact on rivals Royce's ranking within their top 250 went way up following his commitment. Canton, AA & Balducci are the highest rated lineman on either side of the ball that they've landed in many years, and they don't play Offense. The recruiting thread isn't the pretend time thread

[video=youtube;OFzXaFbxDcM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFzXaFbxDcM[/video]

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Location. elite players like us but so far away. Top 3 for KSL, top 5 for Green. Players like Cowart jerking us around and not showing taking up valuable recruiting time.

thats been the obvious reason pointed to by multiple posters, an endless list of reporters, & Coach Helfrich at last years recruiting press conference, but our special poster can't/won't accept the obvious or even list it as a possibility in his question to you. It must be the Defensive scheme! Must force round peg through square hole!

Oregon lands much of what little D1 talent develops within close proximity of the school for the same reason it often plays bridesmaid to guys they're in on who live far off. Location. The local school is almost always the favorite as the kid likely grew up rooting for them and has an established relationship with it's coaches... of course being close to friends family & Mom's home cooking is a major pull as well. KL-S's quote on rivals as to the main reason why he chose UCLA was "that it always felt like home." Take a look at any service's lists and where top talent is committing if anyone has doubts about this.

Fortunately for us, as Helfrich stated at that same presser, factor #2 with recruits is winning/success. Not every kid likes the home school. Some want a different experience and the allure of playing for an annual national contender in a beautiful little college town keeps the cupboards stocked with talent. We're looking at a very solid class thus far that addresses the expected needs of the team going forward, and they aren't done yet. I'm expecting a strong finish as we approach February

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Stomp,

AA was a five star O lineman not a D lineman and a 4 would be a kind placement for the amount of impact he's had in his first two years on the D line here. AA is and has been living on his O line size and rep from high school when... healthy. Buckner is the real hub to the D line!

Canton was the #1 ranked player on 24/7 beginning of this year, yet I bet much like Tyner another player who had to earn his 5th star back, will have to do something impressive like 7 TD's in a game which got Tyner back his star. Tyner lost his 5th star right about the time he committed to Oregon as well.

Taj is the #1 APB in the nation and for some reason doesn't have a 5th star in the kind of competition he plays in and around Georgia. Yet Barnett went from a 4 star could be Oregon commit to a 5 star Alabama commit in under 90 days.


Royce rose the 247 bias star ladder because of his DOMINANT performances amongst the best at The Opening and his physical TD runs against the nations best D players in the Army All American Bowl. Let's not forget that he broke every San Diego county rushing record ever made and some of those names were big names in the NFL to boot! There is not doubt in my mind that had he committed to USC or UCLA he'd have gone in a 5*!

Now be it this question wasn't directed to you, thank you for another instigating response, meant to irate another as opposed to having a football discussion!

"but our special poster can't/won't accept the obvious or even list it as a possibility in his question to you. It must be the Defensive scheme! Must force round peg through square hole!"


If what I say is such nonsense to you, stop stalking my every post! How hard can it be for you? Clearly there are others far more to your liking to bestowal your vast wisdom upon huh? I'm sure they can't wait to hear from you! :clap:
 
AA was a five star O lineman not a D lineman and a 4 would be a kind placement for the amount of impact he's had in his first two years on the D line here. AA is and has been living on his O line size and rep from high school when... healthy. Buckner is the real hub to the D line!

None of this drivel has anything to do with the fact that both were rated 4*s in the final evaluations, which of course represents the best guesses of the sites... stars certainly aren't given or taken away retroactively. These final guesses are proven to be wildly inaccurate every single year... do you really think anyone here isn't aware of that?

Canton was the #1 ranked player on 24/7 beginning of this year, yet I bet much like Tyner another player who had to earn his 5th star back, will have to do something impressive like 7 TD's in a game which got Tyner back his star. Tyner lost his 5th star right about the time he committed to Oregon as well.

No ways, out comes the persecuted victim card again. While yes it's true that Tyner lost a 5th star about the same time he committed to Oregon, that didn't have anything to do with why he was downgraded. Repeated hamstring injuries that caused him to miss most of his Junior season was the reason sited at the time of the downgrade, and that sort of injury drop is common regardless of what school a player commits to. He proved he was healthy his Senior year, and back came his 5th star. Yes Canton was ranked at the very top of 247, but not leaving the Islands to compete in camps makes it pretty difficult to judge him against his peers which is what a rating system is attempting to do. Regardless, he was dropped to mere 4* status well before Oregon became a likely destination so again this victim stuff is just misplaced whining.

btw... Offensive Lineman Shane Lemieux was unrated by rivals and others when he committed to Oregon, but garnered 4*s when they finally came around to it. There are countless other examples like this of UO prospects rising in their ratings at the sites as the process goes along.

Taj is the #1 APB in the nation and for some reason doesn't have a 5th star in the kind of competition he plays in and around Georgia. Yet Barnett went from a 4 star could be Oregon commit to a 5 star Alabama commit in under 90 days.

More of the poor poor pathetic victim broken record. Sites reshuffle their ratings/rankings multiple times during a cycle just like they have for years. Yes there are some obvious biases among the sites... Rivals is run & operated by Bama grads, Scout by UW Fuskies. But thinking Taj should ascend while missing his entire Senior season to injury just isn't the way things work with their guessing. He was never a 5* so it's beyond a reach to assert that committing to Oregon had anything to do with his rating

Royce rose the 247 bias star ladder because of his DOMINANT performances amongst the best at The Opening and his physical TD runs against the nations best D players in the Army All American Bowl. Let's not forget that he broke every San Diego county rushing record ever made and some of those names were big names in the NFL to boot! There is not doubt in my mind that had he committed to USC or UCLA he'd have gone in a 5*!

You really should start your own recruiting service. You could be the first service that had 6 stars! A player's star rating could be adjusted whenever King Swim Block felt appropriate. With all your insider info and expert opinions, I'm sure you'd have subscribers galore

In the meantime, the final ratings provided by the existing services is what we have as a reference.... warts and all.

Now be it this question wasn't directed to you, thank you for another instigating response, meant to irate another as opposed to having a football discussion! If what I say is such nonsense to you, stop stalking my every post! How hard can it be for you? Clearly there are others far more to your liking to bestowal your vast wisdom upon huh?

It's a public board silly. When discussing Oregon's football recruiting, I happen to strongly prefer facts over BS... I'm hardly alone in that. Regardless of who's dealing the BS here in this public forum, I'm going to continue to set the record straight with established facts/trends & mock the ridiculous. If you can't take the responses that are generated by your bullshit filled posts, you've got options. Cutting down on the BS, going away, or continuing to cry a river

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In other news Muschamp is fired. Think Auburn will grab Cowart?
 
In other news Muschamp is fired. Think Auburn will grab Cowart?

Cowart visited Florida State unofficially last weekend. Rivals has a new article recapping that visit with him still saying he's planning on visiting UO possibly the weekend of Dec 12th.

By my unofficial count they've 11 OVs left... we'll see

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So we will host a visit while he's done with the season. Sounds good. Let's wait to NLSD. Also, Isn't Lemieux gonna flip to Boise? They have been doing better as of late(plus it would make room for Ulave)
 
How much shock would it be for Cowart to come out to Oregon commit and that be that! This kid walks to his own drum. For some reason I kind of expect something that odd from him.
 
So we will host a visit while he's done with the season. Sounds good. Let's wait to NLSD. Also, Isn't Lemieux gonna flip to Boise? They have been doing better as of late(plus it would make room for Ulave)

Last that rumor was around, he said himself he was solid, so who knows. Uluave doesnt count for this year's class anyway since he will be going on his mission, so no room this year needed :)
 
Oh yeaaaaah that's right. My bad.

Also, Gallimore to the OSU most likely. Oh well.
 
I will be shockef if Cowart makes his Official, and if he does commit i will also be shocked. Would love to have him though.
 
Peat decommits from ucla. Don't know if we have renewed interest because we had distanced ouselves. But with signs showing barlett and houston going elsewhere recently and durant being split possibly not in our favor a spot may have opened up.
 
If Green and Houston both end up at USC with Iman, on paper that USC D is freaking unbelievable! Lock down secondary with McQuay, Jackson, Smith, Cravens than add Iman.... YIKES! Add Houston to Hutchins and Powell at the Lb spots, and Daniel + Green to join Bigelow on the D line! Youch!

If Sark can't get past 7 wins in conference next year with this crew and the weapons he has on offense I don't know what to tell you!
 

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