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Pinwheel1 said:
Is a center going to get us to the next level? I mean the whole idea of tanking is to get that missing piece. Is a center really in the discussion? Hopefully we are not stuck with that dilemma. I say focus on the wings. Centers are for after the lottery. You can find a serviceable Euro somewhere.
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I agree that. I think we clearly need an star level PF, and I don't think he comes through the draft. Hopefully, an ace SF falls to us in the draft.
 
Kay Felder

He'll drop because of his size (5'9" 180 lbs) but he does have a little Isaiah Thomas to his game:

 
Never seen this Sabas pic. kinda cool

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Pinwheel1 said:
Is a center going to get us to the next level? I mean the whole idea of tanking is to get that missing piece. Is a center really in the discussion? Hopefully we are not stuck with that dilemma. I say focus on the wings. Centers are for after the lottery. You can find a serviceable Euro somewhere.
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I think center is absolutely our biggest need. Specifically an elite defender. We are so weak defensively right now and the quickest fix for any bad defender is a really good shotblocking defensive C. Plumlee and Leonard are laughably bad defensively.

Sadly, this draft doesn't really have any. One possibility is this guy, but he seems a few years away and might not even declare.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I think center is absolutely our biggest need. Specifically an elite defender. We are so weak defensively right now and the quickest fix for any bad defender is a really good shotblocking defensive C. Plumlee and Leonard are laughably bad defensively.

Sadly, this draft doesn't really have any. One possibility is this guy, but he seems a few years away and might not even declare.
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Sure we can always use a good center, but a lottery pick for one? No way. Sure grab this French dude in the 2nd round or even even late first rounds and develop him. But if we have to suffer for a season and end up in the lottery, try to get a player who can play at the end of games. Can this kid shoot? If he can't he is not a lottery pick IMO. Tired of fragile centers wasting the few chances we have in the lottery.

Centers are like RB's in the NFL. Sure you need a good one to be successful, but don't draft one in the 1st round unless he is a super star. You're better off with RB by committee. Because the chances of one of them getting hurt is pretty high.

We need a a 3rd scorer to get to the next level. SF is key IMO
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I think center is absolutely our biggest need. Specifically an elite defender. We are so weak defensively right now and the quickest fix for any bad defender is a really good shotblocking defensive C. Plumlee and Leonard are laughably bad defensively.

Sadly, this draft doesn't really have any. One possibility is this guy, but he seems a few years away and might not even declare.
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Man for how analytic you are sometimes I wonder if we watch the same team. :)

First, Leonard hasn't been our Center, Its been Plumlee/Davis. Second, Plums D has been improving. Tracking the ball better. Has had some good blocks as of late. Davis's D is average at worst I think for a backup Center and he pounds the boards better than any out there. That's a fact represented in stats. How anyone doesn't see the PF are our biggest weakness is hard to understand.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Plums D has been improving. Tracking the ball better. Has had some good blocks as of late.
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This is called "damning with faint praise."

Plumlee is not playing for his D. He's playing because he's a very good passer and he helps the offense. Our offense is decent (yesterday notwithstanding), it's our defense as a team that is putrid.
 
Re: not getting a center in the draft. I'd be happy if we targeted Ian Mahinmi in free agency. He's a role player who's bounced around, but he's a very good defensive center. If we got him and Boban (and got rid of Leonard) I would be a happy camper!
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Re: not getting a center in the draft. I'd be happy if we targeted Ian Mahinmi in free agency. He's a role player who's bounced around, but he's a very good defensive center. If we got him and Boban (and got rid of Leonard) I would be a happy camper!
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Let's be honest, you'd be happy with anyone with a foreign sounding name. That's not exactly the litmus test for the franchise. :)
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
Nobody talks about Shawn Long from LLU, but he can play. He could be a legit pickup in the second round if nobody else takes notice.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/56362/shawn-long
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Same school as Elfrid Payton who's been a solid pick for Orlando. No knocking the small schools. Louisiana-Lafayette had a SOS of -2.28 (208th of 344) when Elfrid was there. Their SOS this year is -0.07 (167th of 351).

Interesting stats for Shawn Long. His raw numbers are darn good. 19.1 ppg, 13.0 rpg, and 1.7 bpg. Odd that his bpg have dropped from 2.7 to 1.7. His 3 pt shot has also dipped this year. His rebounding numbers have gone steadily up, and his fouls have come down nicely since his sophomore year. Probably the biggest 'down side' is his age. He'll be 23.5 when it's draft time.

Good find. There's a few red flags with him, but there always are with second rounders. My guess is that he doesn't get drafted. Most GMs are looking for 'upside'. With his age and small school, he is what he is.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
This is called "damning with faint praise."

Plumlee is not playing for his D. He's playing because he's a very good passer and he helps the offense. Our offense is decent (yesterday notwithstanding), it's our defense as a team that is putrid.
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You've been a proponent of Euro's for years. Very few of which play defense.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
You've been a proponent of Gonzaga players for years. Very few of whom play basketball.
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3 that I can think of. 1 soon to be drafted. I'd say Kelly Olynyk is a damn fine prospect. Most your Euro-trash guys are back in Europe where they always belonged. But I understand why its a subject you get snippy about...
 
The Blazers need to pick the best player on the board at whatever position when (if) they pick in this draft. Ideally, that's a 3-4-5, because they can get better at all those spots. But I'd even pick Dunn or Hield, honestly, if that's the most talented prospect available.

IMO, drafting strictly for need usually gets you into trouble. Drafting the best talent makes you better. You can always trade your extras for help at another position in the future.

I remember when our best player was Jim Paxson. We still drafted a kid named Clyde Drexler. That worked out pretty well.
 
PCmor7 said:
The Blazers need to pick the best player on the board at whatever position when (if) they pick in this draft. Ideally, that's a 3-4-5, because they can get better at all those spots. But I'd even pick Dunn or Hield, honestly, if that's the most talented prospect available.

IMO, drafting strictly for need usually gets you into trouble. Drafting the best talent makes you better. You can always trade your extras for help at another position in the future.

I remember when our best player was Jim Paxson. We still drafted a kid named Clyde Drexler. That worked out pretty well.
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In theory I agree with you. Especially if the player is a lot better than the next option. Forget the need and take him. I know I said I wanted a SF but I definitely would take the best player available. But it has to be by a decisive amount IMO
 
Yeah, definitely. I think need is a tiebreaker. I think if you have a glaring need at one position and you have a player slightly above him at another position, you go for the need. But if you have a potential all-star talent and a solid player at the need position, I'd rather draft the all-star talent and trade from your strength to get an all-star talent at your need position.
 
Buddy Hield looks taller than 6'4 . That guy has NBA moves. Can he swing over to SF?

He's averaging 26pts on 50/50/90 shooting. One thing I always look at for college players is if they can get easy shots. He gets all the defensive attention, and yet gets himself easy looks because he can dribble to any place on the court that he wants. That skill translates.

By draft time, I don't see him dropping past #5 if these GMs do their homework.
 
Right now the ones I have seen that I would be interested in is:
Simmons
Ingram
Dunn
Valentine
Davis from Michigan st
Sabonis
 
I kinda like the numbers Troy Williams at Indiana is putting up.

12.8 PPG / 6.8 RPG / 2.2 APG / 1.1 BPG / 1.4 SPG / 3.0 TOPG (downside)

.557/.370/.655

He is 6'7, 215 and plays SF.

I also still really like Dwayne Bacon as a prospect, kinda has a Shabazz Muhammad game which would really fit nicely.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Buddy Hield looks taller than 6'4 . That guy has NBA moves. Can he swing over to SF?

He's averaging 26pts on 50/50/90 shooting. One thing I always look at for college players is if they can get easy shots. He gets all the defensive attention, and yet gets himself easy looks because he can dribble to any place on the court that he wants. That skill translates.

By draft time, I don't see him dropping past #5 if these GMs do their homework.
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He could be a legitimate late bloomer or he could be a senior beating up on youngsters.

I get a Tony Delk vibe from Hield.
 
Stylistically, Hield reminds me a bit of Wesley Matthews. Moves and shoots a lot like him.
 
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