Event 2017 NBA draft thread - March 2017 edition

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Scalma said:
You know how some guys you could just picture in a Blazers uniform? Not something that can really be explained, but I can totally picture Ferguson as a blazer.
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I feel that way about Justin Jackson, he just looks like a Blazer. I wouldn't be against Fergilicious if he slipped to the Memphis pick, in fact I'd support the hell out of it.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
I feel that way about Justin Jackson, he just looks like a Blazer. I wouldn't be against Fergilicious if he slipped to the Memphis pick, in fact I'd support the hell out of it.
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Yeah even before the announcers compared Justin Jackson to Rip Hamilton today, I was thinking the same. I am sure I was not the only one. His stats were not spectacular, but I like his game. Although I doubt I will like it much next Saturday.
 
oldfisherman said:
My first choice is to trade our picks
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Yes, at least we can get a player that has at least one year of history of being able to get on the court. I hate to even think of the Blazer's history with high draft picks. I really don't want to be sucked into looking forward to that one more time. There are some, backside advantages to finishing 8th.
 
Elite strength (Nurkic) with elite length:

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Jarrett.

Allen.

Neil must trade up.
 
MY IDEAL DRAFT:
*All these picks are based on who DraftExpress thinks would be available at each spot.

Trade 15th, 20th to Sacremento for the 9th pick
- Sacremento needs as much talent as they can get. Prime trade up spot.

With the 9th Pick, Draft Jonathan Isaac, 6'11 SF, Florida State
At 6'11 with a 9'1 standing reach and guard skills, Isaac might have the highest potential in the draft. He could slot in as our SF of the future.

But I'd rather try to bulk him up and play him at PF. Due to his length, he could easily handle the position with added bulk, as well as be a matchup nightmare offensively, and a versatile defender who could potentially guard 1 through 5.

Trade Shabazz Napier, 26th Pick, 2019 LAL/MIN 2nd Round Pick, Cash to Philadelphia for 36th Pick, 45th Pick, 48th Pick
With one, potentially two lottery picks as well as four 2nd round picks, it's likely that Philadelphia will consolidate some of those 2nd rounders for a 1st. Might take another 2nd Round Pick, but this would be a great trade to try to hit on a 2nd round gem.

With the 36th Pick, Draft Jordan Bell, 6'9 PF, Oregon
Bell would be good value at this pick as a Faried type hustle player, and could be an instant contributor.

With the 45 Pick, Draft Omer Yurtseven, 6'11 C, NC State
As a foreigner, this could be a guy you could stash overseas even though he played college ball in America. That holds some value because bringing in 4 rookies is a bit much. Has some shooting potential, and is a mobile big man. Could be a top back up center in a few years.

With the 48th Pick, Draft Sindarius Thornwell, 6'6 SG, South Carolina
This dude just looks like the 2nd coming of Wesley Matthews. A great defender with good size for a SG (6'9 Wingspan) that could play both wing spots. Could be this years Malcolm Brogdon (under-drafted 3 and D senior).

So in the end, we'd come away with
SF Jonathan Isaac
PF Jordan Bell
C Omer Yurtseven
SG Sindarius Thornwell

That would be a tremendous draft, and would give us depth and potential all around.
 
I don't get 'trade all the picks' attitude at all. We are barely managing to pay all our players under current salary cap, have great opportunity to get THREE cheap contracts in, and at the same time three players we will have no problem keeping for 8 years if we want it, and some people would just like to send all three picks somewhere for an average player. This makes literally zero sense. I want us to draft at least two players and won't be disappointed if we get all three. This draft class looks really solid. You could build something good with it. But no, trade those picks for Thad Young and then see someone draft another Myles Turner with one of them. But at least we will get 5 more wins next season and not have to go through all the hassle of developing three players.
 
Harry Giles is going pro, any interest in him him if he falls to our 2nd or 3rd pick? I remember Dejuan Blair being pretty good after falling in the draft for a few years.
 
I would not be happy if we used our top two picks to get Isaac, I do not think he is one of the best players in the draft this year which means we would be better off using those two picks on two separate players of comparable skill level.

I'd rather see what PHX/orl/phi want for the 3/4/5

And if we end up with a second round pick then I'd hope we'd take a look at Kadeem Allen.
 
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Sarni said:
I don't get 'trade all the picks' attitude at all. We are barely managing to pay all our players under current salary cap, have great opportunity to get THREE cheap contracts in, and at the same time three players we will have no problem keeping for 8 years if we want it, and some people would just like to send all three picks somewhere for an average player. This makes literally zero sense. I want us to draft at least two players and won't be disappointed if we get all three. This draft class looks really solid. You could build something good with it. But no, trade those picks for Thad Young and then see someone draft another Myles Turner with one of them. But at least we will get 5 more wins next season and not have to go through all the hassle of developing three players.
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Why cant we package our picks into a trade to get a better pick and instead of three bench players, we get one solid starter? Contract will be almost the same.
 
Sarni said:
I don't get 'trade all the picks' attitude at all. We are barely managing to pay all our players under current salary cap, have great opportunity to get THREE cheap contracts in, and at the same time three players we will have no problem keeping for 8 years if we want it, and some people would just like to send all three picks somewhere for an average player. This makes literally zero sense. I want us to draft at least two players and won't be disappointed if we get all three. This draft class looks really solid. You could build something good with it. But no, trade those picks for Thad Young and then see someone draft another Myles Turner with one of them. But at least we will get 5 more wins next season and not have to go through all the hassle of developing three players.
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I want to move up in this draft because I think if you know what you are doing with pick 1-7 you can just about guarantee you are drafting an impact maker in this league.

While there are a lot of talented players, ultimately most of these guys will still be role players in this league. So while I'm sure some offices will F up as they always do and we will see stars taken later in this draft because teams like the Lakers can't get over the Lonzo Ball hype. When really Dennis Smith is the more NBA ready guard with less flaws in his game to be exposed at the next level. Lonzo Ball on the other hand will have a rough transition.

I want to be the team to take advantage of other teams mistakes because I do believe there are a few players with legit potential in this draft.
 
Any one of these 6 players could have a HOF career in the right situation. (No particular order)

Josh Jackson
Markelle Fultz
De'Arron Fox
Dennis Smith
Malik Monk
Terrance Ferguson
 
It's all right moving up the draft. If we package both Memphis and Cleveland pick, or ours with one of them for a 5-10 pick I am fine with it. However that is only if there is a good small forward available with that pick - Isaac or Tatum (Jackson is not possible). I would not do that to draft another point guard or one of power forwards projected to go there like Markannen.

I would probably keep all three though. We won't get Isaac or Tatum IMO and we will have a wide selection of power forwards available. I would take a chance on Giles if he's still available with Memphis pick, take someone like Collins, Adebayo or Allen with our and use Cleveland's to get a shooting guard or small forward prospect. We would have three back ups who can jump to starters in case of PFs and could get rid of some high earners.

Packaging our pick with someone like Leonard to get rid of his contract would be among the most ridiculous things we could possibly do.
 
Sarni said:
Packaging our pick with someone like Leonard to get rid of his contract would be among the most ridiculous things we could possibly do.
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I agree with what you're saying, except for the Butters part. Dude does a pushup under the hoop during a game? In another game, after the whistle blows- he does a turnaround jump shot from the corner three. The ball bounces off the TOP of the backboard. That's embarrassing stuff to have to watch, even as just a fan. Just my opinion, but I feel he needs to go, at whatever cost....
 
Dougnsalem said:
I agree with what you're saying, except for the Butters part. Dude does a pushup under the hoop during a game? In another game, after the whistle blows- he does a turnaround jump shot from the corner three. The ball bounces off the TOP of the backboard. That's embarrassing stuff to have to watch, even as just a fan. Just my opinion, but I feel he needs to go, at whatever cost....
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I don't rate him at all but whatever cost is needless here. We can keep him around and just not play him and shed salaries elsewhere. Would be better than potentially losing a decent cheap player by offering our pick.
 
Sarni said:
I don't rate him at all but whatever cost is needless here. We can keep him around and just not play him and shed salaries elsewhere. Would be better than potentially losing a decent cheap player by offering our pick.
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Yeah, I got what you're saying. You put a high value on the picks. I put a high value on getting rid of him and his 10M a year(so we can pay better players.) HOPEFULLY, they can do both....
 
Sarni said:
I don't rate him at all but whatever cost is needless here. We can keep him around and just not play him and shed salaries elsewhere. Would be better than potentially losing a decent cheap player by offering our pick.
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Sarni, This is where I think most differ....
 
Orion Bailey said:
Sarni, This is where I think most differ....
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We will get good players to choose from with both our and Memphis pick. Cleveland pick will be a punt but we could take one of Oregon guys there. I think we could potentially get another Myles Turner between 15 and 20 with our or Memphis pick i.e. under the radar great potential power forward. We will IMO take two shots and draft two big men. I am really excited about this. Never been a better time to address our issues, while top 10 will be full of guards a lot of big men will quietly drop lower.
 
Personally I REALLY like Isaac and would trade our pick, the Memphis pick, and the 2nd rounder to move up for him....

Nurk
Von
Hark/Isaac (starts by year 2)
CJ
Dame

Grab the best defensive gaurd with the Cle pick.

If no trade happens grab Miles Bridges(NBAdraft.net has his NBA comp as Jerome Kersey:)) and the best shooting big men with our other 1st rounders
 
Also if we can't get into top 7 for a chance at Issac, maybe Tatum, I hate taking chances on dukies, then I'd look to move AC and the Memphis pick to Phil for Okafor. Him and Von can battle for the starter position and the loser and ET can be the first 2 off the bench.

If this trade can happen and we can get into top 7 with our pick, cle pick, and taking back a bad contract(not as bad as the one we are getting rid of) then we are set in my book.

Nurk/Okafor
Von/Ammo
Isaac/Hark/Layman
CJ/ET
Dame/Livingston

Myers/Ed/Pat can all go somehow.

Not a bad 10 man Rotation, especially for a team that will NEVER Sign a real free agent.

While I'm dreaming we get Livingston by giving away the 2 (Myers and Ed) that have any value and what ever money we save in the AC out/Bad contract in(draft trade to move up)
 
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santeesioux said:
Harry Giles is going pro, any interest in him him if he falls to our 2nd or 3rd pick? I remember Dejuan Blair being pretty good after falling in the draft for a few years.
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Absolutely



He wouldn't have to beg Dame or CJ to lob it up to him if he was open on a roll...
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
Any one of these 6 players could have a HOF career in the right situation. (No particular order)

Josh Jackson
Markelle Fultz
De'Arron Fox
Dennis Smith
Malik Monk
Terrance Ferguson
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Not sold on that lil T-Rex. After watching him play, I came away unimpressed.
 
dviss1 said:
Not sold on that lil T-Rex. After watching him play, I came away unimpressed.
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6'3 with a 6'6 wingspan is good height for a PG. Idk what you're talking about.
 
SOMETHING EVERYONE IS FORGETTING:

Next year, the league is increasing roster size from 15 to 17, with the team allowing to have 15 players on the NBA team and keep 2 players under contract in the D(Soon to be G)-League.

Therefore, why do we have to trade one of our picks? We could draft all three guys and keep one in the D-League. Hell, I want to buy a 2nd and bring 4 rookies into next year, rotating the non-rotation players between the D-League and NBA.
 
I wonder how far Anunoby would drop. I could see him potentially falling to our Cleveland pick. Would be a great high reward/low risk pick at that spot. Yes his ACL got torn but it's probably not a structural problem like Oden or Ezeli. This could be a good thing for us if it causes him to fall to that Cleveland pick. He's 6'9 with something like a 7'5 wingspan. He could be the two-way PF we need in the future. If he develops his shot, he'll be a premier 3-and-D player because he can really lock opponents down. 3-and-D guys are generally underdrafted, and he could be a PF version of Khris Middleton.

I hope Giles or Anunoby falls to that pick. I think there's a 50% chance on of them does, and if so we have to take the chance on them. It'd be like getting 10 lottery scratch-offs for free.
 
Seeing how we now have a legitimate big three with Nurk I'd change my draft plans by packaging our pick with the Memphis pick for Ante Zizic - who has been dominating the Adriatic league much like Nurkic did before coming over. He'd be able to step in right away and start at PF.

(CLE pick) Second guys who could sneak into the first: Monte Morris
Career stats: 768 assists | 165 turnovers | 38 3PT%
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
Seeing how we now have a legitimate big three with Nurk I'd change my draft plans by packaging our pick with the Memphis pick for Ante Zizic - who has been dominating the Adriatic league much like Nurkic did before coming over. He'd be able to step in right away and start at PF.

(CLE pick) Second guys who could sneak into the first: Monte Morris
Career stats: 768 assists | 165 turnovers | 38 3PT%
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You're obsession with foreign prospects is insane.

Trade TWO top 20 picks in a loaded draft for an overseas prospect at a position we don't need who was drafted outside of the top 20 in a less-talented draft? No thanks.

Him "dominating" the Adriatic league doesn't mean anything. Every foreign prospects game translates differently to the NBA, just like it does from college to the NBA. Just because Zizic is playing in the same league Nurkic did and they have a few similarities doesn't mean Zizic is Nurkic 2.0.

He's definitely not a PF at all. A 7'0, 250 pound player who can't shoot outside of 5 feet, and doesn't have a chance guarding NBA PFs on the perimeter.

Another thing, Boston already has a boatload of young talent with a lot of picks on top of it. So why would they trade a stashed prospect for two more picks???

I've also watched Morris play a lot in his years at Iowa State and I see a PG who can't get by other PGs at the NBA level, who will also struggle defensively and doesn't really have NBA range. The passing windows he creates at the college level won't be there in the NBA because he doesn't posses the speed to make defenses help off their man. He plays a careful brand of ball, which won't work at the NBA level because it won't translate into created shots without more aggressiveness. With that added aggressiveness, he will turn the ball over a lot more and still will have problems getting by defenders to create his own or shots for others.

I'd rather have Juwan Evans. That dude sees the floor really well and is quick as lightning. His game translates better.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
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He wouldn't have to beg Dame or CJ to lob it up to him if he was open on a roll...
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I agree about Giles. His best basketball will be played in the NBA. He won't spend the offseason rehabbing and can just focus on improving his game. He's not perfect, but taking a chance on him outside of the lottery when we have two other picks? Yup, Portland is the team to take that type of risk.
 
I don't really get the fascination with Onunby when we already have Harkless and Aminu. And we already have our PF of the future, unless you don't believe in development, in which case I wonder why you'd be worried about the draft.
 
Scalma said:
I don't really get the fascination with Onunby when we already have Harkless and Aminu. And we already have our PF of the future, unless you don't believe in development, in which case I wonder why you'd be worried about the draft.
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Haha. Harkless is a SF, Onunoby can play both. Anunoby has the potential to be better than Aminu quickly. He'd probably shoot the same from 3 and Anunoby's defense is on par with Aminu. Anunoby would be $6M cheaper than Aminu if he fell to the CLE pick, and he's bigger (6'8 with a reported 7'6 wingspan) so he could play some smallball center. If Anunoby can become a shooter, he'll be a great NBA player. His benchmark for shooting is where Aminu and Harkless are already at.

You wouldn't want to take this guy, who was a projected Top 10 pick before his injury, with the 26th pick in the draft?
 
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