2018 Around the NBA - November

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TorturedBlazerFan said:
For me its more of a respect thing.
He’s appears to be a great parent, he’s active in his communities, he has done a lot of good things.
I cheered for him vs the warriors, I cant cheer for the lakers to win.
I just have a lot of respect for him, sure Ive disagreed with his politics at times, I get annoyed when he disrespects Nurkic. I wish he wouldve stayed out east.

I just find it hard to not respect a guy who sure was given a heck of a body to work with, but he’s worked extremely hard at his craft, he does right by his communities, and seems to do right by his kids. Cant ask much more from him.
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I'm not rooting for LeBron the Laker. I'm rooting for LeBron the person.

Folks need to understand the difference.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Green took exception to how Durant addressed him. The exact dialogue couldn’t be recounted as it was said, but it began with Green immediately firing back. Who the fuck you talking to?

– via The Athletic
Draymond Green, Kevin Durant, Golden State Warriors

According to multiple sources, Green then went on to make it clear he’s been making plays for years. He reminded Durant the Warriors were winning before Durant showed up so he wouldn’t stand for Durant talking to him as if he were a scrub. Green accused Durant of making the whole season about him even though he was going to leave after this season. Green let out his frustrations about how Durant has handled free agency — keeping his options open and keeping the story alive, consuming the Warriors and their season with talk of what Durant will do next.

– via The Athletic
Free Agency, Golden State Warriors

Green was surprised by the heavy-handedness. A fine was expected. Green had just come back from injury, giving him a rest day for Tuesday’s game against Atlanta and a private fine would have been an acceptable rebuke of his behavior. He was fined a few thousand dollars when he went after Kerr in the locker room in Oklahoma City in 2016. He didn’t think this incident was nearly as bad, so the punishment being drastically worse was shocking.

– via The Athletic
Draymond Green, Kevin Durant, Golden State Warriors

Storyline: Draymond Green Suspension
Why didn’t they just fine him privately as they have before? “If we thought that was the right thing to do,” one front office executive said, “we would have. We have to do what we think is right.”

– via The Athletic
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This kind of thing being done the way it is can be damaging to a career. I think the Warriors have had it with his shit. They are telling him they can effect his career even if he decides to leave. Trade value and future contracts are all in play here.
 
kjironman1 said:
This kind of thing being done the way it is can be damaging to a career. I think the Warriors have had it with his shit. They are telling him they can effect his career even if he decides to leave. Trade value and future contracts are all in play here.
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For sure they are tired of his shit. But isn't it really all about Durant and somehow hoping to make sure he returns? I was leaning towards KD staying, but now I would have to say the opposite unless Green is traded before the dead line and they end up winning it all this year without DG.
 
I feel like I am the LeBron of this forum. Great father/husband. Does tremendous things for the community. Handles his business at work with the best of ‘em.
Yet still is HATED on by most. We accept your HATE. We use it as fuel to better ourselves. We thrive off your HATE!
HATE on crackas..... HATE on!
 
HCP said:
I feel like I am the LeBron of this forum. Great father/husband. Does tremendous things for the community. Handles his business at work with the best of ‘em.
Yet still is HATED on by most. We accept your HATE. We use it as fuel to better ourselves. We thrive off your HATE!
HATE on crackas..... HATE on!
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Pretty sure you still think i'm a newbie so i'll see your hate and raise you a stink eye.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
If you’re houston you’d probably rather you start winning then keep losing though.
I thought they had a really bad summer and would come back down to earth, but with the way they started, they needed some wins. So fools gold or not, after starting something like 1-6(?), a win is a win.
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They started 1-5, climbed to 4-5, lost two and a row, and have now climbed back to 6-7.

My point was, for a team full of older players with a history of missing significant time, playing them big minutes in early November does not bode well for their long term success. We all know CP3's history. He's 33 now and averaging the most minutes (35.2 MPG) since his first season as a Clipper, seven years age at the age of 26. The last two seasons, he's averaged 31.2 and 31.8 MPG, and even then only managed to play in 61 and 58 games. How can D'Antoni possibly think playing him 35.2 MPG in early November is a good plan?

Same for Eric Gordon. He's currently averaging 32.7 MPG, the most since he was in NOP, when he averaged 32.9 MPG and only managed to play in 45 games. Since his rookie year, he's averaged > 32 MPG six times. In those six seasons, he's played in 62, 56, 9, 64, 61 and 45 games. Playing Eric Gordon > 32 MPG has, historically, not been a good plan.

It just seems like D'Antoni is juggling a ticking time bomb playing his top five players so many minutes early in the season.

Here's two teams' top 5 players in minutes per game so far this season:

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The one on the left is MIN. Their coach, Tom Thibodeau, has a reputation for playing his starters into the ground. His top five players are 29, 23, 23, 30 and 30.

The team on the right, is HOU. Their top 5 players are 33, 29, 33, 24 and 30.

Do you think HOU's current minutes distribution is sustainable over the course of an 82 game schedule? Given the history of the players involved, I do not. I think Mike D'Antoni, in his desperation to turn things around, may be trading a few early season wins for a potential disaster down the road.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
They started 1-5, climbed to 4-5, lost two and a row, and have now climbed back to 6-7.

My point was, for a team full of older players with a history of missing significant time, playing them big minutes in early November does not bode well for their long term success. We all know CP3's history. He's 33 now and averaging the most minutes (35.2 MPG) since his first season as a Clipper, seven years age at the age of 26. The last two seasons, he's averaged 31.2 and 31.8 MPG, and even then only managed to play in 61 and 58 games. How can D'Antoni possibly think playing him 35.2 MPG in early November is a good plan?

Same for Eric Gordon. He's currently averaging 32.7 MPG, the most since he was in NOP, when he averaged 32.9 MPG and only managed to play in 45 games. Since his rookie year, he's averaged > 32 MPG six times. In those six seasons, he's played in 62, 56, 9, 64, 61 and 45 games. Playing Eric Gordon > 32 MPG has, historically, not been a good plan.

It just seems like D'Antoni is juggling a ticking time bomb playing his top five players so many minutes early in the season.

Here's two teams' top 5 players in minutes per game so far this season:

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The one on the left is MIN. Their coach, Tom Thibodeau, has a reputation for playing his starters into the ground. His top five players are 29, 23, 23, 30 and 30.

The team on the right, is HOU. Their top 5 players are 33, 29, 33, 24 and 30.

Do you think HOU's current minutes distribution is sustainable over the course of an 82 game schedule? Given the history of the players involved, I do not. I think Mike D'Antoni, in his desperation to turn things around, may be trading a few early season wins for a potential disaster down the road.

BNM
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Sure dont, but if Im houston / Dantoni would I rather climb out of the hole and play heavy minutes or just not be good?
 
HCP said:
Handles his business at work with the best of ‘em.
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Great post, with one minor difference. LeBron will never be replaced by one of these:

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BNM
 
According to an insider on Clutchfans, Gordon Hayward is possibly on the market and Boston has reached out to Morey.

Do we have any interest? That 30 mil deal is a hard pill to swallow if Hayward doesn't come back close to his previous level of health.
 
yuyuza1 said:
According to an insider on Clutchfans, Gordon Hayward is possibly on the market and Boston has reached out to Morey.

Do we have any interest? That 30 mil deal is a hard pill to swallow if Hayward doesn't come back close to his previous level of health.
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Man I dont. He looks like that injury wiped out any athletecism he had once had. Now maybe he can come back and maybe hes just rusty but he doesnt look good...
 
Getting ET would allow them to let go of Rozier in a subsequent deal and they loved him there. Turner/Leonard/2019 1st for Hayward. Then pick up Melo off waivers.

Dame/CJ/Hayward/Aminu/Nurk

with Seth/Nik/Moe/Melo/Zach off the bench

I would do this. Ainge can't be getting great offers with a 100 mil left on Hayward's deal.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Sure dont, but if Im houston / Dantoni would I rather climb out of the hole and play heavy minutes or just not be good?
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He needs to figure out how to beat the teams they should beat without playing his starters so many minutes. He also needs to learn when to throw in the towel and not continue to play his starters when he's down 20 with 6 minutes left in the game. I thought it was absolute insanity that he played CP3 37 minutes in the game against us. They were down 22 with 5:31 left in the game and D'Antoni didn't pull CP3 until 57 seconds left in the game. What the actual fuck was he trying to accomplish? Keep the point spread under 20 (we won by 19)? There was absolutely no reason CP should have been in the game. He should have pulled him when we went up by 25 with 8:45 left in the game. Those last 8 minutes CP3 played were pointless.

He also played CP3 late into the 4th quarter in a 20-point loss to the Clippers and an 18-point loss to OKC.

Look at the starter's minutes for both teams in the LAC vs. HOU and POR vs. HOU games.

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In both cases, the winning coach was smart enough to rest his starters when he had a big lead. In both cases, D'Antoni continued to play his starters big minutes late into the 4th quarter, in games he had no chance of winning? That's almost criminal given the age and history of his roster. Why, when the other team has a >20 point lead in the 4th quarter, is he not resting his starters and using those minutes to develop the guys he has on the bench? It seems beyond stupid to me.

BNM
 
yuyuza1 said:
According to an insider on Clutchfans, Gordon Hayward is possibly on the market and Boston has reached out to Morey.

Do we have any interest? That 30 mil deal is a hard pill to swallow if Hayward doesn't come back close to his previous level of health.
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Could be a really interesting buy low situation, but that's tough salary to match. Do we detonate our bench/locker-room chemistry by sending Turner/Harkless back there to take a chance on a former all-star? Try to get Rozier too?

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yuyuza1 said:
Getting ET would allow them to let go of Rozier in a subsequent deal and they loved him there. Turner/Leonard/2019 1st for Hayward. Then pick up Melo off waivers.

Dame/CJ/Hayward/Aminu/Nurk

with Seth/Nik/Moe/Melo/Zach off the bench

I would do this. Ainge can't be getting great offers with a 100 mil left on Hayward's deal.
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You forgot to keep Layman in the lineup.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Getting ET would allow them to let go of Rozier in a subsequent deal and they loved him there. Turner/Leonard/2019 1st for Hayward. Then pick up Melo off waivers.

Dame/CJ/Hayward/Aminu/Nurk

with Seth/Nik/Moe/Melo/Zach off the bench

I would do this. Ainge can't be getting great offers with a 100 mil left on Hayward's deal.
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way to much!
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Could be a really interesting buy low situation, but that's tough salary to match. Do we detonate our bench/locker-room chemistry by sending Turner/Harkless back there to take a chance on a former all-star? Try to get Rozier too?

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I have 0 interest in Rozier and his chucking, along with RFA status. They can keep him and move him later.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Could be a really interesting buy low situation, but that's tough salary to match. Do we detonate our bench/locker-room chemistry by sending Turner/Harkless back there to take a chance on a former all-star? Try to get Rozier too?

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Who would have thought, at the beginning of the season, that Evan Turner would actually be the best player involved in that proposed trade?

BNM
 
yuyuza1 said:
Not sure if you're being serious. My sarcasm meter is broken.
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Serious. Layman's TS% is the second-best on the team. Even if we deal for Hayward, Jake's earned time. If signing Melo means relegating Jake back to third-string again, I'd rather just keep Layman in that spot in the rotation.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Serious. Layman's TS% is the second-best on the team. Even if we deal for Hayward, Jake's earned time. If signing Melo means relegating Jake back to third-string again, I'd rather just keep Layman in that spot in the rotation.
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Noted. Maybe we can save that 15th spot for a big man to be picked up later in the year.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Then pick up Melo off waivers.
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No, just no. Carmelo Anthony has been an absolute disaster on the last two teams he's played on. No way do I want him anywhere near our roster or our locker room. We have a good thing going. Why risk it on a high risk, low reward player like Carmelo Anthony? T-Mac was right. Melo should retire.

BNM
 
yuyuza1 said:
According to an insider on Clutchfans, Gordon Hayward is possibly on the market and Boston has reached out to Morey.

Do we have any interest? That 30 mil deal is a hard pill to swallow if Hayward doesn't come back close to his previous level of health.
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I'm really torn on Hayward. He'd be a good fit on offense and he has perfect form on his shot so I'm not worried about him regaining his shooting. I think it would kill our defense though. Having Dame, CJ, and Hayward as our perimeter defenders would be bad. I would say that maybe Hayward could come off the bench but Stauskas does a lot of the same things as him on a minimum contract (not saying that Stauskas is anywhere near the player).

I'd probably do the Turner/Leonard trade you suggested. Then sign Melo, fuck it. Despite Turner's play this year I think you have to capitalize on his trade value if a deal presents itself to get a potentially better player or out of his contract.
 
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