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Boise Blazer said:
Interesting ... for players 21 and under Zach is ranked 2nd behind Ayton.
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And Ayton has played 1.83x as many minutes. Zach has played fewer minutes than any of the other top seven 21 and younger players. Give him more minutes and he'd be the runaway leader.

BNM
 
RipCityWarrior said:
Just a matter of time until Collins minutes increase exponentially
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...and his efficiency decreases comparably. His current level of production is clearly not sustainable. I have hope that when it levels out, it remains at least at starter-level, but I'm not celebrating yet.
 
GS has 2 players averaging 30+ PPG (Curry and Durant).

Curry averaging 33.9, Lillard averaging 33.8.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
...and his efficiency decreases comparably. His current level of production is clearly not sustainable. I have hope that when it levels out, it remains at least at starter-level, but I'm not celebrating yet.
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I remember a push in the media around RoY from Dames rookie year about how it should have been Anthony Davis because his per36 and 100 possessions stats were so amazing adn they never mentioned how the 10 more minutes he would have to play a game to get to Lillards would effect any of his production it was just assumed everything would stayh the same. I'm going to use that logic when projecting Zach's stats with more minutes.
 
Rhal said:
I remember a push in the media around RoY from Dames rookie year about how it should have been Anthony Davis because his per36 and 100 possessions stats were so amazing adn they never mentioned how the 10 more minutes he would have to play a game to get to Lillards would effect any of his production it was just assumed everything would stayh the same. I'm going to use that logic when projecting Zach's stats with more minutes.
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Okay, so Zach loses 20% of 2 pointers and 10% off 3 pointers... guess what, he'd still be extremely efficient!

In reality, Sachs production probably isn't that affected by playing 20min verse 30min... He's in great shape.
 
BonesJones said:
Okay, so Zach loses 20% of 2 pointers and 10% off 3 pointers... guess what, he'd still be extremely efficient!

In reality, Sachs production probably isn't that affected by playing 20min verse 30min... He's in great shape.
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It's foul trouble, not fatigue that's holding him back. He's currently averaging 6.7 PFs per 36 minutes. That's the highest of any player who has played over 100 minutes. Even though he's not fouling out, when he picks up two fouls in the first quarter or three quick fouls in the first half, he gets pulled to keep from getting even deeper into foul trouble.

He's an aggressive player who isn't getting any breaks from the officials - yet. I expect him to learn to avoid unnecessary fouls and eventually the refs will stop treating him like a rookie. When those two things happen, I expect to see his PT gradually increase.

Of course, his current shooting percentages aren't sustainable, but he's made a hell of a turnaround on the offensive end since summer league, and the improvement so far this season compared to last is remarkable. Many of us said, give him time. He has the tools, he just needs time to adjust to the NBA game. Well, even as a big Collins fan, I'm surprised how quickly he's progressed. It's a long season, and I'm sure he'll hit an occasional rough spot (like all players do), but at least now he knows he capable of scoring efficiently at this level.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
It's foul trouble, not fatigue that's holding him back. He's currently averaging 6.7 PFs per 36 minutes. That's the highest of any player who has played over 100 minutes. Even though he's not fouling out, when he picks up two fouls in the first quarter or three quick fouls in the first half, he gets pulled to keep from getting even deeper into foul trouble.

He's an aggressive player who isn't getting any breaks from the officials - yet. I expect him to learn to avoid unnecessary fouls and eventually the refs will stop treating him like a rookie. When those two things happen, I expect to see his PT gradually increase.

Of course, his current shooting percentages aren't sustainable, but he's made a hell of a turnaround on the offensive end since summer league, and the improvement so far this season compared to last is remarkable. Many of us said, give him time. He has the tools, he just needs time to adjust to the NBA game. Well, even as a big Collins fan, I'm surprised how quickly he's progressed. It's a long season, and I'm sure he'll hit an occasional rough spot (like all players do), but at least now he knows he capable of scoring efficiently at this level.

BNM
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Typically, once a guy gets a reputation as a shot blocker, the refs let him get away with homicide. The jury is still out whether that will EVER apply to a Blazers player. It looks like Zach may be a test case.

:cheers:
 
BBert said:
Typically, once a guy gets a reputation as a shot blocker, the refs let him get away with homicide. The jury is still out whether that will EVER apply to a Blazers player. It looks like Zach may be a test case.

:cheers:
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That's true of defenders in general, at least it used to be. I remember Joel Przybilla's first season in Portland. He was blocking shots and rebounding well coming off the bench, but couldn't stay in the game because the refs were calling every ticky tack foul imaginable on him. I noticed that as soon as he became a starter, the cheap foul calls immediately disappeared and he was suddenly able to average 32 MPG without being in constant foul trouble.

Back then, basketball-reference didn't exist. So, I was just going by my personal observations, but I checked the data for that season just now to see how accurate my observations were.

In 2004-05, Joel came off the bench for the first 26 games of the season and was charged with 8.5 fouls per 36 minutes. As a starter, he played in 50 games and his rate of fouling magically decreased to 3.9 fouls per 36 minutes. Same player, same style. If anything, Joel was even more aggressive defensively as a starter, averaging 3.2 BLK/36, compare to the 2.8 BLK/36 he'd averaged coming off the bench. The dramatic decrease in his foul rate, from 8.5 PF/36 to 3.9 PF/36 was due to the way he was treated by the officials. A soon as he became a starter, he suddenly gained respect from the refs and the ticky tack calls vanished.

There's your test case and supporting data. There is a precedent!

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
It's foul trouble, not fatigue that's holding him back. He's currently averaging 6.7 PFs per 36 minutes. That's the highest of any player who has played over 100 minutes. Even though he's not fouling out, when he picks up two fouls in the first quarter or three quick fouls in the first half, he gets pulled to keep from getting even deeper into foul trouble.

He's an aggressive player who isn't getting any breaks from the officials - yet. I expect him to learn to avoid unnecessary fouls and eventually the refs will stop treating him like a rookie. When those two things happen, I expect to see his PT gradually increase.

Of course, his current shooting percentages aren't sustainable, but he's made a hell of a turnaround on the offensive end since summer league, and the improvement so far this season compared to last is remarkable. Many of us said, give him time. He has the tools, he just needs time to adjust to the NBA game. Well, even as a big Collins fan, I'm surprised how quickly he's progressed. It's a long season, and I'm sure he'll hit an occasional rough spot (like all players do), but at least now he knows he capable of scoring efficiently at this level.

BNM
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You fucking moron, don't you know Zach's just another stiff WABC.
 
Most threes by one player in NBA game, 14 by Klay.
 
KingSpeed said:
No. We would win title if Stotts and Olshey were fired.
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No, seriously I'm all homer with the Blazers but if GS cared to, they'd sweep the Blazers again no matter who's coaching them. Especially if Cousins comes back and is even like 90% of what he used to be.
 
Klay with 52 points on 29 shots....through 3 quarters!
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
In this particular case, coaching isn't going to change the fact that one is playing with an allstar cast (probably the best team in the history of basketball) and the other one plays with one all-star in Dame...
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Sure klay has it easier, but klay does not take as many bad shots as cj (I mean those 1vs3 ISO shots), klay uses his strenght perfectly as Spot up shooter and has a good drive to the Basket
 
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