Event 2018 NBA Finals, Warriors vs Cavaliers.

[MarAzul]

There’s no doubt that this season is LeBron’s greatest achievement. The problem with heroically dragging a pile of garbage to the Finals is that then you’re in the Finals with a pile of garbage.

Ha!

I guess I have a similar take. Well maybe a little different. Watching James is rather like watching Chamberlain back in his day as the most dominate offensive player in the game.
While he was individually awesome, it was really shitty basketball you were watching. Basketball is a team sport and at it's finest, the oneness of five is the ultimate in excellence.
The dominance of any individual can never match the sweetness of true excellence.

 

[Strenuus]

Looks like i made a great decisiom not watching the game. Nothing happened. Though, i couls have used the sleep... I was just doing somethinf actually exciting.

 

[TBpup]

Korver was just an all-star a couple seasons ago in Atlanta....and he certainly can still shoot. Love was putting up ridiculous numbers in MIN and it's not like he is old. George Hill has been very productive at times, Thompson is a rebounding fool, JR is mercurial but has hit a lot of shots in his day, Jeff Green, Rodney Hood, Jordan Clarkson.....these guys have all been productive NBA players at one point.

Why are they all so bad now?

 

[e_blazer]

Looks like i made a great decisiom not watching the game. Nothing happened. Though, i couls have used the sleep... I was just doing somethinf actually exciting.

Your turn with Mrs. HCP?

 

[Strenuus]

Your turn with Mrs. HCP?

I mean, i always know when mr. Hcp is busy.. Like clockwork.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Looks like i made a great decisiom not watching the game. Nothing happened. Though, i couls have used the sleep... I was just doing somethinf actually exciting.

I still want to know what you were playing on the switch lol , was it nba 2k playing Gs and Cleveland heh.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Korver was just an all-star a couple seasons ago in Atlanta....and he certainly can still shoot. Love was putting up ridiculous numbers in MIN and it's not like he is old. George Hill has been very productive at times, Thompson is a rebounding fool, JR is mercurial but has hit a lot of shots in his day, Jeff Green, Rodney Hood, Jordan Clarkson.....these guys have all been productive NBA players at one point.

Why are they all so bad now?

Exactly. Compare the shooters coming off the bench for Cleveland to that of Portland's. Korver, Green, Hood, Clarkson.......I would take any of them (Plus Nance as a rebounded) It is not exactly LBJ and bunch of misfits. I think it is more of a lack of chemistry being thrown together at the trade deadline.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Korver was just an all-star a couple seasons ago in Atlanta....and he certainly can still shoot. Love was putting up ridiculous numbers in MIN and it's not like he is old. George Hill has been very productive at times, Thompson is a rebounding fool, JR is mercurial but has hit a lot of shots in his day, Jeff Green, Rodney Hood, Jordan Clarkson.....these guys have all been productive NBA players at one point.

Why are they all so bad now?

Too much PT and too many shots for J.R. Smith == not enough shots for Korver, Hill, Green., etc. Korver is shooting .446 3FG% in the playoffs. It's what he does and what he's always done. Get the man more shots. Hill isn't shooting the ball great from 3, but his post season FG% is .481, compared to J.R.'s .353 FG%.

Hood is fool's gold. He put up some good numbers for UTA during the regular season, before the trade, but he has little post season experience and when he has played in the playoffs he's flat out sucked (last year in UTA PER = 4.7, this year in CLE PER - 5.8). His career playoff 3FG% = .232. I know some here wanted him at the trade deadline (some were even willing to give up C.J. to get him, because of his size at SG), but I'm glad we didn't. He's a shitty defender and wilts under pressure.

BNM

 

[dviss1]

I know the rules. He was sliding

That means nothing you don't know the rules.

 

[dviss1]

Obvious block.
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Watch the reply and decide for yourself when it is that Durant has "started his shooting motion". Then see how far Lebron slides to his left after that.

Durant has clearly started his shooting motion by this frame. Lebron's left shoulder will contact Durant's chest at the pink dot. Lebron already needed to "establish" himself along the green path by now.

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Technically KD has started his "shooting motion" in this frame as he has "gathered the ball". If he were fouled at this moment it would be called a shooting foul.

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Your shooting motion does not start when you gather the ball.

 

[dviss1]

I coach. Have for a quarter century

Hilarious. Coaches are next in line after fans who don't know the rules.

 

[dviss1]

If all you got to do is get into a guarding position? (hands up) head and shoulders square but still be able to slide in front of a guy already driving committed to the hoop? wow
In my mind it was a block as he was trying to jump in front and get the offensive foul call.
I normally think the defenders get the raw end of this game now, but deliberate jumping in front of a guy even in a hands up guarding position is weak.

You are allowed to move to maintain your legal guarding position. So the fact that he was moving is not relevant.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Hilarious. Coaches are next in line after fans who don't know the rules.

Ok, you're the prettiest

 

[Mediocre Man]

You are allowed to move to maintain your legal guarding position. So the fact that he was moving is not relevant.

Unless he started his shot, which he had

 

[dviss1]

Looks like i made a great decisiom not watching the game. Nothing happened. Though, i couls have used the sleep... I was just doing somethinf actually exciting.

You made a horrible decision and missed a great game.

 

[Hoopguru]

You are allowed to move to maintain your legal guarding position. So the fact that he was moving is not relevant.

Thats what I understand....You being an official, do you like that rule?

 

[Strenuus]

You made a horrible decision and missed a great game.

I would have missed a better game on my switch.

 

[Strenuus]

I still want to know what you were playing on the switch lol , was it nba 2k playing Gs and Cleveland heh.

Golf story! Fun game!

 

[dviss1]

Ok, you're the prettiest

Well that goes without saying.

I'm just saying that coaching doesn't make you a rules expert. We hold rules clinics to get coaches acclimated to rules and rule changes. We ALWAYS go over the rules that there are huge misconceptions about. Simple rules like 3 in the key and over and back are not known.

 

[dviss1]

Thats what I understand....You being an official, do you like that rule?

How are you going to stay squarely in from of someone if you stand still?

Whether or not I like the rule is moot. It's a necessary rule.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Well that goes without saying.

I'm just saying that coaching doesn't make you a rules expert. We hold rules clinics to get coaches acclimated to rules and rule changes. We ALWAYS go over the rules that there are huge misconceptions about. Simple rules like 3 in the key and over and back are not known.

But because I'm a coach doesn't mean I'm wrong.

 

[Mediocre Man]

The refs in the game said he wasn't in a legal guarding position

 

[dviss1]

But because I'm a coach doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Not sure where that came from, but you're wrong because you're wrong. And the reasoning you gave for calling a blocking foul is flawed.

 

[dviss1]

The refs in the game said he wasn't in a legal guarding position

That's not what the ref consultant said as they were deliberating.

He called it a charge. And the original call was just that.

 

[Mediocre Man]

That's not what the ref consultant said as they were deliberating.

He called it a charge. And the original call was just that.

Then why did they change it after looking at it?

 

[TBpup]

That's not what the ref consultant said as they were deliberating.

He called it a charge. And the original call was just that.

To be fair, The Fonz called a charge, Brothers called a block. So the original call stood or was overruled depending on which ref you were closest to.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Golf story! Fun game!

Nice! I’ve heard good things!

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Not sure where that came from, but you're wrong because you're wrong. And the reasoning you gave for calling a blocking foul is flawed.

Ultimately I thought the call on the floor was a charge and I don’t understand how there was enough “evidence” to over turn it. Now if the official call on the floor was a blocking foul I guess I can understand them keeping the call. It was framed as an overturned call though and that’s what I’d like explained what did they see to overturn it...?

 

[TBpup]

I give a little credit to Durant for immediately insisting that they review it....know that they could because he had been victim of an overturn on much the same play.

 

[H.C.]

To be fair, The Fonz called a charge, Brothers called a block. So the original call stood or was overruled depending on which ref you were closest to.

If you see it, call it.
But who's general responsibility do you think lower body contact is?
The outside official, or the baseline official.
Or better yet.
Who do you think has the better angle to see lower body contact? The outside official, or the official along the baseline?
Again, if you see it call it. But officials are taught to look for specific things, given their position on the court.