Event 2018 NBA Finals, Warriors vs Cavaliers.

[PtldPlatypus]

Ultimately I thought the call on the floor was a charge and I don’t understand how there was enough “evidence” to over turn it. Now if the official call on the floor was a blocking foul I guess I can understand them keeping the call. It was framed as an overturned call though and that’s what I’d like explained what did they see to overturn it...?

The NBA doesn't have the same "incontrovertible evidence" standard that the NFL requires to overturn a call.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

The NBA doesn't have the same "incontrovertible evidence" standard that the NFL requires to overturn a call.

I understand that part, I just don’t understand how in a play that appeared so close they over turn it. They had to of seen something that changed their mind...

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Here's something incontrovertible. JR has no excuse for not immediately passing the ball to Lebron.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Here's something incontrovertible. JR has no excuse for not immediately passing the ball to Lebron.

Or just turning and shooting KD who he claimed was next to him is not that close to him.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I will say one thing about the call, if any other Cav had stepped in and made the exact same play that LBJ made (on Durant) there is no question in my mind that the initial call would have been a blocking foul. LBJ initially got the benefit of the doubt. No one else on that Cav's team would have. Not on KD anyways.

 

[Chris Craig]

Lebron didn't get position before Durant got to him. Bron impeded Durant who was already in shooting motion. It was a blocking foul.

 

[Chris Craig]

I understand that part, I just don’t understand how in a play that appeared so close they over turn it. They had to of seen something that changed their mind...

They did see something. They saw bron didn't get position and impeded Durant. They saw it was a blocking foul.

 

[Lanny]

BUT: LeBron was -13 (and JR Smith -22!) and yet the Cavs took it to OT.
Meanwhile Korver was +12 in only 16 minutes - maybe play him a bit more?

Looks good on paper. But that's the only place it looks good.

 

[Lanny]

They did see something. They saw bron didn't get position and impeded Durant. They saw it was a blocking foul.

I'm gonna disagree and say he did have position, albeit it would have been a close call.

 

[dviss1]

To be fair, The Fonz called a charge, Brothers called a block. So the original call stood or was overruled depending on which ref you were closest to.

Brothers was reaching OUT of his primary area. LeBron was a SECONDARY defender (100% lead's call) That's referee 101.

 

[Chris Craig]

Brothers was reaching OUT of his primary area. LeBron was a SECONDARY defender (100% lead's call) That's referee 101.

So why was he able to override the other ref

 

[Chris Craig]

Per the NBA

The crew was not reasonably certain whether James (CLE) was in the restricted area after an offensive foul was called against Durant (GSW). Upon replay review, it was confirmed that James was outside the restricted area. The referees also reviewed whether James was in a legal guarding position, which is an additional reviewable matter for this replay trigger. Replay showed James was not in a legal guarding position because he was turning his body and moving into Durant when contact occurred. Thus the initial call on the floor was overturned and James was assessed a blocking foul.

 

[BonesJones]

I coach. Have for a quarter century

I'll take the refs word.

 

[theprunetang]

You guys read the L2M report?

There were 2 other missed calls in the last 2 minutes both in the Warrriors favor

 

[Mediocre Man]

I'll take the refs word.

I'll take the NBAs.

"Replay showed James was not in a legal guarding position"

That from the league

It was a block.

 

[Mediocre Man]

You guys read the L2M report?

There were 2 other missed calls in the last 2 minutes both in the Warrriors favor

Ya. The refs were less than good.

The charge/block call should never have been reviewed. Clearly outside the circle

 

[KeepOnRollin]

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Here’s my defense of JR Smith, yes he should’ve known the situation, yes whatever he was trying to do well it seemed foolish. However, I have listened to sports shows all day bash him for not calling timeout, or pass it to LBJ. Couldn’t Lue call a timeout? Isn’t it the PG’s and coaches job to make sure everyone’s aware of the situation. Why isn’t Lue taking more heat over it? If I was coaching I would’ve been sprinting to the ref the second JR got the ball to call timeout. You could argue in a scramble they may have gotten a better shot, but at the least before that free throw goes up Lue should’ve sent out word what the plan was if hill misses the ft.

 

[THE HCP]

As stated I didn't watch 1 second of the game, but seeing the replay, it was a block, not a charge

You missed out man. Fantastic game!!

 

[theprunetang]

Technically Draymond committed a lane violation on the last missed free throw. Hill should have had one more shot at it.

 

[bobf]

Your shooting motion does not start when you gather the ball.

Yes it does. If there is a gather & continuous motion leading to a shot then the gather IS the beginning of the shooting motion. "Shooting motion" determines whether or not a shooting foul will be granted. Durant would certainly get a shooting foul if fouled in either frame I posted. So shooting motion had begun.

 

[bobf]

Here is a similar call. Similar in that a charge was overturned to a blocking foul. Not at all similar in terms of how well the defensive player was set. How this one was ruled a block I don't know.



Here Durant is about to shoot the ball. Lebron is still not done sliding & turning into his path. Contact occurs shoulder to chest at the pink. Easy call.

 

[Mediocre Man]

You missed out man. Fantastic game!!

Everyone complaining about the refs, pretend tough man antics, Green being an ass, Smith being a dumb fuck. Ya, I'm good

 

[Lanny]

I'll take the NBAs.

"Replay showed James was not in a legal guarding position"

That from the league

It was a block.

Steve Javie disagrees.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Steve Javie disagrees.

The worst ref in history? Ok

 

[Lanny]

Here is a similar call. Similar in that a charge was overturned to a blocking foul. Not at all similar in terms of how well the defensive player was set. How this one was ruled a block I don't know.



Here Durant is about to shoot the ball. Lebron is still not done sliding & turning into his path. Contact occurs shoulder to chest at the pink. Easy call.

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If it's so easy why did it appear to be a clear charge per Steve Javie and the ABC announcers? No, it was far from an easy call.

Also, a defender can be moving when he's hit and it can still be a charge. Depends on whether the defender is in position or not.

 

[Lanny]

The worst ref in history? Ok

You're misinformed.

 

[Mediocre Man]

You're misinformed.

No, just overstating.

 

[BonesJones]

Here is a similar call. Similar in that a charge was overturned to a blocking foul. Not at all similar in terms of how well the defensive player was set. How this one was ruled a block I don't know.



Here Durant is about to shoot the ball. Lebron is still not done sliding & turning into his path. Contact occurs shoulder to chest at the pink. Easy call.

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LeBron is already in position..

 

[bobf]

If it's so easy why did it appear to be a clear charge per Steve Javie and the ABC announcers? No, it was far from an easy call.

I can't read Javie's mind. But I can read the NBA rules which state that the defensive player must be in position at the time shooting motion begins. Further, the rules state that for a driving player, shooting motion begins at gather. I can see with my eyes that Lebron was not remotely in position at the time Durant gathered the ball, nor at the time he began raising the ball up, nor at the time the ball was at KD's chest level. He was not even in position the moment Durant was about to release the ball.

The fact that people disagree about a sports call does not prove it's a close call. People are biased when it comes to sports. Millions of people think the earth is flat. But that's not a close call. They go to Javie quickly after the play occurred. I doubt he had a chance to see all the angles in slow motion. Also, in my experience, Javie tends to agree with the call on the floor - like he does not want to make the NBA look bad.

Also, a defender can be moving when he's hit and it can still be a charge. Depends on whether the defender is in position or not.

But he was not in position at the time shooting motion began as the images I posted show.